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    Posted: 05 Mar 2014 at 2:58pm
I can relate. Our second child was born while I was working on that nightstand, and it ended up taking over a year to finish. It was a wedding gift for my brother/sister-inlaw so they understood. I've got a long list of "hobby" projects that have been waiting quite a while. If only the days were longer...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Mar 2014 at 2:00pm
Oh yes, the arduinos are really cool.  Between kids and chores around the house I don't get to tinker much anymore but I'm sure I'll get back to it in a few more years.  I've wanted to make a complete home-control/monitoring system from either an arduino or a micro PC for a long time.
 
Unfortunately a lot of the content on your site is blocked here at work so I'll check it out at home, looks interesting.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Mar 2014 at 1:42pm
Sounds like fun. I loved electronics as a kid, but it was still relatively expensive and inaccessible at the time. When the arduino came out (look it up if you're not familiar) I fell back in love with electronics and have been making all kinds of fun stuff ever since. These days you can get started with a laptop and $30 worth of parts. It's truly amazing that pretty much anyone with the knack and some spare time can create their own embedded systems. Here's the last big project that I finished:

http://www.tinkeringtechie.com/projects/woodworking/touch-sensitive-nightstand

I had plans to do the rv monitor mod to our old pod, but it just never made it to the top of my list. Since the camplite doesn't have any monitor at all it raises the priority quite a bit.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Mar 2014 at 10:52am
Definitely my kind of mod.  Back in the mid-80's when I was in middle school I hooked up my Atari 130XE computer's joystick ports to a breadboard which had reed relays.  The relays then drove a X10 controller (wireless home light control system).  If I remember right the X10's processor read the buttons in a grid so the 8 digital outputs from the computer let me select one of eight X10 channels plus any of the 6 function buttons (on, off, all on, etc).  I wrote a program that let me control the lights like a timer via a script I wrote as an array to disk (channel 5 on at 5 pm, channel 3 off at 8 pm...), including extra logic that handled problems like a power outage.  My family went on a 5 week vacation leaving the house lights in the hands of the computer.  Came home with the wrong lights on and the computer locked up.  Didn't know what was wrong at the time but knowing what I know now, I'm guessing it was a memory leak issue.  Confused
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Mar 2014 at 10:12am
The display is coming tomorrow and that's the last piece of the puzzle. I'll post some teasers once I get it up and running.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Mar 2014 at 8:18pm
Definitely looking forward to the homebrew status board!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Mar 2014 at 7:19pm
Those look like some solid tips. Garnet should put them up on a FAQ or something.

Because of my custom implementation I can compensate for 1 & 3. I'm planning on calibrating the calculation that converts the pad readings to the final "percentage" so that it's accurate for my particular installation.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Mar 2014 at 7:11pm
The "tricks" I found are:

  1. The fresh water sensor should be elevated such that water left in the tank after the pump sucks air does not yield a reading. That way zero means zero, not something left that you can't use.
  2. The gray tank can use the full 6 inch length. That tank is the most critical to me. You can see through the fresh tank if need be, and you will know when the black tank is nearing full. I really don't care about a full fresh tank or an empty black tank, but I like to know about the gray before it backs up onto the shower.
  3. The black tank is different. Due to its shape and location you have to use a JS sensor cut to 4 inches on the thin end. There is only 4.5" clear on the tank on that end and you need the smallest sensor available. Again, you really don't care about the bottom of the tank; just when it's getting full. Even with the JS, I could not get my sensor to read 100%. With the sensor mounted as low as I could get it l still max out at 81-88%. I've had lots of discussions with Garrett on this. I've checked grounding integrity and checked the sensor on a gallon milk jug. My conclusion is the tank geometry is the problem and there's not much that can be done. Apparently the tank has a very thick corner at the top of that side so the sensor doesn't see liquid. However, knowing that, you could do the translation in your software such that 88% equals 100%. Should be easy. For me I have to remember.
  4. The only other hints are pay attention to wire routing and metal proximity near the sensor board. Test you sensor placement with duct tape. Sand and clean the surfaces before you make the final application. You only get one shot with that 3M 300LSE tape. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Mar 2014 at 6:39pm
The EMS stands for "Electrical Management System" and is made by Progressive Industries. Here's the unit I purchased:

http://www.progressiveindustries.net/ems_lchw30.htm

Similar to the surgeguard, but seemed higher quality and more hackable. The "EMS Status" is normally a code that shows up on that wonderful display. It will say something like "E01" and you're supposed to either memorize or keep a card around that tells you what condition that is (1 is reverse polarity). Well my beautiful LCD display will just say "Error: Reverse polarity". Much easier to see what's going on. In the rpod I had a surgeguard and when it wouldn't click in I'd have to get out the multimeter to see what was going on (usually the post outlet was dead).

Now you've got me worried... what are the tricks of the trade? I already have the SeeLevel in hand.

Yesterday I completed the reverse engineering by taping it to the side of my water jug and slowly filling. The onewire protocol actually sends readings for all 8 pads (1 byte each) and the control panel converts them to the number you see on the screen. So even though the display will only give you increments of 3-4%, the readings themselves are actually very detailed (though they might fluctuate too much to be reliable at that detail). There's one pesky checksum byte that I'm trying to figure out, but that's just for S&G's, it's not strictly required to take a reading.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Mar 2014 at 6:26pm
Travis,

Sounds great and very interesting. A real exercise in microprocessor programming. And what is EMS status?

Yes I did cut the sensors. The fresh and gray sensors are standard 709ES boards cut to 4.5 and 6 inches. The black sensor is a 709JS which can be cut to 4 inches and have 4 sensor pads. When you get ready to work on that, and before you order, get back with me. There are some tricks of the trade.


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