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    Posted: 03 Feb 2016 at 1:35pm
I called pd on Monday.   They are sending me a refurbished convert or under warranty.   Im skeptical of refurbished guess it's better than nothing!   Thanks for all the help!
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Ahh.. when I did mine, I used the 9260, and just changed the converter. 
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Well there is no wfco board anymore.  I replaced the converter and board with the PD components that came in the new kit more than a year ago.   Every single fuse on the board in the DC electrical section is still good.   Even the battery reversal fuses are good.  I posted a picture above of the fuse board!

On the converter itself there are only two round automotive fuses.  I posted a pic of these as well.  I believe both are 15 amp or at least one is I know! I see no other fuses on the converter anywhere.  One of these fuses, the 15 amp one ( the top one in the pic) is blown but must be de soldered to replace.

I'll be calling Monday to see about warranty replacement!

Kind of a bummer because I should be sitting in the campground as we speak!  Thumbs Down
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Did you check the two 40A fuses on the WFCO board, and did you check the 3 25 A fuses on the converter?

If, while connecting disconnecting the battery the leads touch anything.. and even sometimes even if they don't, those fuses can go.
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Yes that's the wires I was referring to. I thought the same thing. Looks as if they are connected.   I'll call Monday.   Thanks again
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I can't follow exactly since I don't have the WFCO panel, but if you're referring to the two white wires in the upper RIGHT they look close enough that they may be wired directly together anyway. Functionally both negatives go to the same place so I doubt that reversal caused your problem. Unfortunately electronics do sometimes fail prematurely. I would still try for warranty from PD. 
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Charlie, I only replaced the converter and the control board with a charge wizard button.  I did not replace the entire power distribution pannel.  All the breakers and wiring are factory.  After reading your last post I pulled out the installation instructions to make sure I wired everything correctly.  I did in fact make a mistake...Dohhh!  I accidentally reversed the negative battery wire and the negative converter wire.  See the attached photo.


The two white wires at top right should be flopped.   I was unable to find anything else installed incorrectly.   I suppose this is what killed my converter prematurely.   I bet PD won't cover that under their warranty.  I will have to wait until Monday to call again.   They are closed for the weekend.

I did the test you mentioned above and I am in fact getting no output from the converter.  I have 120v input but 0 output going back to the battery!

Thanks for all your help so far
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Posts: 1797 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jan 2016 at 9:46am
Did you replace the entire power distribution panel or just the converter unit? It's not surprising that the converter was fried with 220V, but replacing it should have fixed the problem. If you replaced the entire distribution panel there should be no residual damage. If you replaced only the converter and installed it in the old WFCO panel there may be an installation problem. I know the 4655 is advertised as a direct replacement, but...........In any case the PD  tech support is your first stop. Good luck and let us know.
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Darn that's what I was afraid of!  Looks like I'll be spending my vacation fixing the trailer instead of camping!   A bit of backstory was that this trailer was accidentally plugged into a miswired outlet when I bought a new house (240 instead of 120).  I should have tested first.   The original converter and tv were fried.   I upgraded to the pd4655 at this forums recommendation.

I'm guessing there could still be a problem because of this.

Here is the old thread



The converter should still be under warranty.   I think it's a 2 yr warranty and I bought it on7-20-14!

I will give them a call about that.   I still need to find my root cause though.  I will go do the test you posted above.
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Posts: 1797 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Jan 2016 at 11:22pm
It sounds like your converter has failed. Make sure you didn't accidentally short the output and check the two large reversed battery fuses. I'm surprised  PD soldered in two fuses. They must be unsoldered to replace, but the bigger problem is why did they blow. I'm guessing something on the circuit board itself has failed. Troubleshooting the converter unit at this level requires electrical expertise and access to parts. You can start by calling PD

http://www.progressivedyn.com/troubleshooting_pwr_con.html

Check with them on warranty if it's only a year old. If not under warranty you may be able to have them or their service center repair it.
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