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StephenH
podders Helping podders - pHp Joined: 29 Nov 2015 Location: Wake Forest, NC Online Status: Offline Posts: 6293 |
Topic: Towing setup for new RP176 Posted: 20 Mar 2018 at 1:56pm |
It is rather hard to not leave footprints. The "Back to the Future" hoverboard has not yet been invented and levitation is a nice magic trick but impossible in reality. If I am walking on the beach, I expect to see footprints where I have been. I agree that there are some places we should not walk as they are too delicate.
Edit: I'd better quit as I may be on thin ice--another place I don't want to leave footprints. |
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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,... ouR escaPOD mods Former RPod 179 Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS |
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tsteckley
Newbie Joined: 10 Mar 2018 Location: Ontario, Canada Online Status: Offline Posts: 9 |
Posted: 23 Mar 2018 at 4:04pm |
Lots of good comments on hare about TV and recommendations. I also have a similar TV as the beginning of the post(Toyota Venza). I have a wide range of career back ground. Machinist, did second career thing for Mechanical Engineering(College version), now designer-draftsman for welding company, also renovating a 150 year old house. I have learned many things when working with Engineers, can be 1.5 to 10 times safety factors, that being said I have some Engineers ok our design and others will not touch our projects. With my 20 years of Machining, I was the guy who got all the jobs that everyone else in the shop said it couldn't be done. I took great pride in proving a lot of people wrong, sometimes anything is possible, and also in a safe way too. Many things can be said about a vehicles tow rating, and many modifications can be done to improve things. Car manufacturers tend to have less and less tow ratings, and make sure with today's lawyers that, their butts are covered for any lawsuit. I have a best friend who is a fantastic mechanic and my RV dealer has been is business for around 70 years. They say the Venza will work, I still think it may not have enough power for my liking when towing out east (Canada and USA has same landscape as far as out east goes). I'm not 100% on board, but one fact is that with trailer brakes, stopping will not be a safety concern. I will also do all of the modifications to my TV, already have a good WDH with sway bars, looking into frame strengthening, but sometimes a proper design needs parts to flex so they do not break. Now I have to wait till June to find out how it will work. I hope this helps everyone to maybe think outside the box. Also I am not saying that car company's tow rating are wrong, or anyone's experience is bad advice, but some times there are grey areas..... . I'm on hear to find out everyone's opinion, good or bad, this will help me see things I may not have thought about to make a good decision. Thanks for all the input and I hope no one was offended about my post.
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Terry.S
2011 Toyota Venza 2018 R-Pod 176 (Delivery June 2018) 2004 Harley Davidson Electra Glide CVO 1963 Pontiac StratoChief |
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mjlrpod
Senior Member Joined: 27 Sep 2016 Location: Massachusetts Online Status: Offline Posts: 1214 |
Posted: 24 Mar 2018 at 8:59am |
I personally think it should be regulated by law. If you register a T.T., the registry should immediately look at your registered vehicles. If you do not have a vehicle that can safely pull that weight, your application should be rejected. You should also be given a legal cease and desist order to not attempt to tow your T.T. until you have an acceptable Tow vehicle. A Dealers job is selling T.T.'s, he is not an expert on towing. I personally feel that nobody should tow a pod without a T.V. rated for 4500 pounds, or without wdh or sway control. The guy driving beside you with his kids has a right to expect minimal safety standards are being used.
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tsteckley
Newbie Joined: 10 Mar 2018 Location: Ontario, Canada Online Status: Offline Posts: 9 |
Posted: 24 Mar 2018 at 9:38am |
I have to disagree with you, I chose my dealer because is is an expert on towing, they even have towing seminars to teach people the dos and don'ts for towing. He has taken over the business and has worked there since he was around 10, over 50 years working with rv's and towing. A rating on a vehicle has a 1.5 to 2 times safety factor, which means a 3500 lbs rating could actually tow around 5000-7000 lbs. Keep in mind that would be too much in my opinion, but everything is over rated to allow these type of situations. Not every trailer and situation, are people able to know the exact wight, maybe I have to tow a trailer with building materials or garbage. Also if you have a TV rated at over 5000 lbs, that dose not mean you are safer. Have you seen how fast people drive and how bad some drivers are...... just my opinion
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Terry.S
2011 Toyota Venza 2018 R-Pod 176 (Delivery June 2018) 2004 Harley Davidson Electra Glide CVO 1963 Pontiac StratoChief |
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marwayne
Senior Member Joined: 25 Oct 2011 Location: Edmonton AB Can Online Status: Offline Posts: 1002 |
Posted: 24 Mar 2018 at 10:03am |
Are you then also saying with the 1,5 to 2 times safety factor I can load up my 3500 # axle with 5000 t0 7000 pounds ? I don't think so.
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If you want something done right, do it yourself.
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GlueGuy
Senior Member Joined: 15 May 2017 Location: N. California Online Status: Offline Posts: 2631 |
Posted: 24 Mar 2018 at 10:44am |
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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River 2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost |
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Our pod
Groupie Joined: 03 Oct 2016 Location: Olympia WA Online Status: Offline Posts: 62 |
Posted: 24 Mar 2018 at 11:58am |
I selected my trailer, then bought a truck that could tow twice that weight. Then I bought my r-pod.
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Life is good.
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GlueGuy
Senior Member Joined: 15 May 2017 Location: N. California Online Status: Offline Posts: 2631 |
Posted: 24 Mar 2018 at 1:02pm |
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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River 2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost |
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Our pod
Groupie Joined: 03 Oct 2016 Location: Olympia WA Online Status: Offline Posts: 62 |
Posted: 24 Mar 2018 at 3:32pm |
It's not rocket science as much as reading the owner's manuals.
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Life is good.
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lostagain
Senior Member Joined: 06 Sep 2016 Location: Quaker Hill, CT Online Status: Offline Posts: 2587 |
Posted: 24 Mar 2018 at 5:23pm |
Bottom line, if you tow beyond your vehicle or trailer's weight capacity and get into a wreck, you're going to be in a very complicated situation, possibly involving criminal charges if there is a serious injury or fatality. Depending on your state's or province's insurance laws, you may find yourself in violation fo the terms of your insurance policy and may have forfeited your coverage, making the situation even more complex.
Regardless of the manufacturer's motives for listing towing capacity, the court is going to follow their numbers as a baseline. If you've made modifications to enhance the capacity, you better have some very capable automotive and mechanical engineers prepared to testify in your behalf with some very, very convincing testimony. And don't try to imagine what that will cost you, you'll inevitably come up way short.
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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney Sonoma 167RB Our Pod 172 2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost |
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