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    Posted: 10 Jun 2017 at 10:08pm
Originally posted by Tars Tarkas

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  Yes, I'm obsessive about maximum efficiency. 

It makes perfect sense to me to try your best to minimize losses due to wire length, gauge, connections, etc., but it seems to me that the bottom line is to get enough juice to recharge your battery.  So if, say, a 100w panel is what you need to do that, but it loses 5% or 10% of it's output to all that resistance, why not just go with a 120 panel?  I know you can continue to worry about the 5% to 10% loss with your 120w panel, but you're getting everything you need, and a little more.

Of course one of the reasons to strive for maximum efficiency with your set up is to try to counteract the things that are much harder, or impossible, to control, like a cloudy day, or not wanting to hang around the campsite all day to turn your panels to follow the sun.

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One of the things that might not be intuitively obvious is that when using an MPPT controller, you can go for maximum voltage. You could string together a pair of small 75 watt 37-volt panels in series for ~~ 74 volts. Sounds ridiculous, but the two panels could be getting partial sun and only putting out 18 volts each (total of 36 volts), yet because of the MPPT controller, you can still be getting a decent charge to your 12 volt battery. If you had a 300 watt 18V panel and use a PWM controller in the same circumstance, the panel would only be running about 8 volts, and you'd get zilch to the battery.

Even if you're only using one 37 volt panel under similar circumstances, the 18 volts would still be enough to juice up your battery.

So it's not just efficiency, but also being able to squeeze out some power under not-ideal solar situations.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Jun 2017 at 11:15pm
Originally posted by Tars Tarkas

Originally posted by Rustler

  Yes, I'm obsessive about maximum efficiency. 

It makes perfect sense to me to try your best to minimize losses due to wire length, gauge, connections, etc., but it seems to me that the bottom line is to get enough juice to recharge your battery.  So if, say, a 100w panel is what you need to do that, but it loses 5% or 10% of it's output to all that resistance, why not just go with a 120 panel?  I know you can continue to worry about the 5% to 10% loss with your 120w panel, but you're getting everything you need, and a little more.

Of course one of the reasons to strive for maximum efficiency with your set up is to try to counteract the things that are much harder, or impossible, to control, like a cloudy day, or not wanting to hang around the campsite all day to turn your panels to follow the sun.

To me, anyway, the solution is to go with a bit of overkill and not worry about the rest.

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That is a quite valid way of looking at the overall picture, Tars. But as a certified "techno-nerd" I enjoy fussing with the details. Who knows (LOL). Maybe this summer will be unexpectedly cloudy like "nuclear winter". Then every amp and watt will be important in keeping the battery topped up. Oh Yeah, I could charge the battery with jumper cables from the tow vehicle. But its still fun squeezing every watt out of the solar system.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Jun 2017 at 11:27pm
Originally posted by GlueGuy

Originally posted by Tars Tarkas

Originally posted by Rustler

  Yes, I'm obsessive about maximum efficiency. 

It makes perfect sense to me to try your best to minimize losses due to wire length, gauge, connections, etc., but it seems to me that the bottom line is to get enough juice to recharge your battery.  So if, say, a 100w panel is what you need to do that, but it loses 5% or 10% of it's output to all that resistance, why not just go with a 120 panel?  I know you can continue to worry about the 5% to 10% loss with your 120w panel, but you're getting everything you need, and a little more.

Of course one of the reasons to strive for maximum efficiency with your set up is to try to counteract the things that are much harder, or impossible, to control, like a cloudy day, or not wanting to hang around the campsite all day to turn your panels to follow the sun.

TT
One of the things that might not be intuitively obvious is that when using an MPPT controller, you can go for maximum voltage. You could string together a pair of small 75 watt 37-volt panels in series for ~~ 74 volts. Sounds ridiculous, but the two panels could be getting partial sun and only putting out 18 volts each (total of 36 volts), yet because of the MPPT controller, you can still be getting a decent charge to your 12 volt battery. If you had a 300 watt 18V panel and use a PWM controller in the same circumstance, the panel would only be running about 8 volts, and you'd get zilch to the battery.

Even if you're only using one 37 volt panel under similar circumstances, the 18 volts would still be enough to juice up your battery.

So it's not just efficiency, but also being able to squeeze out some power under not-ideal solar situations.

Good food for thought. Thanks for the insight. 

The biggest problem I find with the higher voltage panels is finding one with suitable small power rating. Many are being made for grid-tied solar systems running 150 to 200 watts or more. I had a spare 185-watt, 36-volt panel from my home solar system. But finding a 120-watt, 36-volt panel took some searching. But the benefits of that panel with a MPPT controller are worth the effort and cost.
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