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offgrid
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Topic: Tow Vehicle - 2015 Toyota Highlander LEPlus Posted: 30 Oct 2018 at 6:48pm |
Very kewl. Postwar German 3 wheel microcar. I've seen the Messerschmitt before but not one of these. Messerschmitt claimed to get 87 mpg, not bad for the 1950's. Yeah those look like turn signals, the early VW's had semaphore turn signals at the same location. What's the tow rating on that bad boy and can you use a WDH on it?
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1994 Chinook Concourse
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Posted: 30 Oct 2018 at 6:31pm |
I was a little heart sick (in sympathy) when I read this. I think your mention of returning to the dealer is a good first step. Explain the problem, as you have above, and see what (if anything) they might be willing to do to help. Maybe, trusting what offgrid says about the equipment needed to upgrade to 5K towing specifications, they might (keep fingers crossed) be willing to negotiate on those upgrades. You'll just have to see what they are receptive to. I hope all goes well and that you will keep us up to date, as the situation develops. |
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Posted: 30 Oct 2018 at 5:45pm |
Well, not all of us wish to conform to traditional standards and thought. I've been shopping for a new TV for some time and this is my current prospect: https://www.ebay.com/itm/332840827312 I just don't want to drive a gas guzzling 4 cyl. all the time, when I'm not towing. I think, with the right hitch setup, I can make this thing work. Also, I'm rather smitten by the idea of having the turn signal lamps (I think that is what they are) on the "B" pillar - kind of unique! |
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offgrid
Senior Member Joined: 23 Jul 2018 Online Status: Offline Posts: 5290 |
Posted: 30 Oct 2018 at 4:15pm |
And I can swing right around my new front porch (now 13 feet higher to avoid hurricane flooding) thanks to my nice maneuverable little SUV TV. Color matched to the RPod too. And get 1/2 the fuel burn and a nice crisp car like ride when not towing. 2 each his own as they say...
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furpod
Moderator Group - pHp Joined: 25 Jul 2011 Location: Central KY Online Status: Offline Posts: 6128 |
Posted: 30 Oct 2018 at 3:33pm |
offgrid
Senior Member Joined: 23 Jul 2018 Online Status: Offline Posts: 5290 |
Posted: 30 Oct 2018 at 2:44pm |
+1 And if the Cumquat is unibody then forget it
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GlueGuy
Senior Member Joined: 15 May 2017 Location: N. California Online Status: Offline Posts: 2630 |
Posted: 30 Oct 2018 at 2:40pm |
I would add that an individual should be at least conversant with the terms and issues. Those who have been on this forum for any amount of time know that we get these kinds of questions all the time. Usually of the form: "I just bought an R-pod XYZ. It's empty weight is 2800 lbs. Can I tow it with my Yugo Cumquat that is rated for 2801 towing capacity?" And we go downhill from there...
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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River 2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost |
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offgrid
Senior Member Joined: 23 Jul 2018 Online Status: Offline Posts: 5290 |
Posted: 30 Oct 2018 at 1:17pm |
I'm not suggesting any particular member of the forum is biased. Just a general trend. Its the old school way to tow, so proven and dependable, and understandable, but not for everyone.
I agree that any vehicle you want to put a WDH on needs to be approved for that, as well as the specific hitch receiver. Don't care if its unibody or body on frame, either can be fine if designed for the application and not if they're not. Tacomas are body on frame but most only have a 3500 lb tow rating. Here is an interesting read for all you body on frame truck guys. Explains why SUV's (and the Honda Ridgeline) can do it while conventional pickups are more challenging: https://jalopnik.com/mid-size-trucks-dont-need-frames-1785674405 I agree that FWD is not the best option for towing, and I wouldn't do it myself, but I stop short of telling others that they can't. I do think the best thing we can recommend to folks when selecting a tow vehicle and trailer combo is to use the GVWR of the trailer as a guide, not the empty weight, and use 15% of that figure for the tongue weight, not the "suggested" tongue weight or whatever the silly number in the trailer specs is. And to check all the limitations on both vehicles (axle ratings, GCVWR, tongue weight ratings, and to try to allow at least a little headroom on all these. I think the trailer loading calculator we've forwarded links to can be very helpful as well, particularly for the effects of the WDH. All this takes some time for new owners to digest but its really needed information for safety I think. Not understanding it is a lot like going flying without knowing your aircraft weight and balance are in the envelope, you can die if you screw it up. What really bugs me is how someone like the guy in mcarter's article can go to an RV dealer, buy an obviously oversized trailer for his TV, and then have them charge him to install a brake controller and a WDH on it, and then watch him roll out of the dealership with his new rig. IMHO in a fair world that guy should lose his business license, but I know that's not going to happen. As lostagain says, caveat emptor.
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GlueGuy
Senior Member Joined: 15 May 2017 Location: N. California Online Status: Offline Posts: 2630 |
Posted: 30 Oct 2018 at 12:25pm |
I don't think I was advocating "American body on frame" at all, nor was I bashing Toyota. We have owned numerous Toyota (trucks though) over the years. They make fine vehicles. I will say that if you are going to attempt to tow a significant trailer, then you should be very cautious about a FWD vehicle, and for sure you will want a WDH if that's what you're going to attempt. Further, I would caution about attempting to add a WDH to a unibody-type vehicle. I'm not saying that it can't be done, but it is an issue. Having both FWD and unibody is kind of like "two strikes".
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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River 2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost |
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offgrid
Senior Member Joined: 23 Jul 2018 Online Status: Offline Posts: 5290 |
Posted: 30 Oct 2018 at 11:35am |
GlueGuy, I wouldn't personally tow anything heavy with a FWD vehicle either.
That doesn't make Toyota's ratings invalid. Or any of the other mid sized SUV's in this category either. Like the 2017 Chevy Traverse for example. 2000 lbs towing with V6 and no tow package, 5200 lbs with the V6 and tow package whether AWD or FWD. And it looks like all the tow package is is a heavy duty radiator, a receiver hitch, and a trailer connector. So y'all need to get over this, its just the way this market segment is. I'm not biased toward Toyota, they have to earn my business every day. So far they have. But I do detect a bias against towing with anything other than good American body on frame trucks among some folks here. That's fine, but let's not scare off folks that choose to buy an rPod because they want to tow with a more car like vehicle that the feel meets their daily needs better. That's OK too if done properly. Let's instead help them to be realistic about what their trailers really weigh loaded and what gear, like a wd hitch they need, how to set it up properly, and how to operate their rigs safely. They clearly often don't get that education from their RV or car salespeople. Might jeopardize a sale if they told them the truth, heaven forbid
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