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podwerkz
Senior Member Joined: 11 Mar 2019 Location: Texas Online Status: Offline Posts: 966 |
Topic: Generator Recommendations Posted: 21 Apr 2019 at 5:35pm |
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Possibly you had your fridge on AC power which is around an amp or so, and maybe the charger was working more, maybe a few more items loading down the AC line. Dunno, but I will call it good for now.
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offgrid
Senior Member Joined: 23 Jul 2018 Online Status: Offline Posts: 5290 |
Posted: 21 Apr 2019 at 7:41pm | |
No, nothing else was turned on, I was doing a detailed energy audit, measuring each load one at a time. It’s typical for a/c compressor loading to vary significantly with temperature differential between the evaporator and condenser. That’s why folks can find that a low power generator will start and run their a/c units initially but not after a second or third cycle.
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podwerkz
Senior Member Joined: 11 Mar 2019 Location: Texas Online Status: Offline Posts: 966 |
Posted: 21 Apr 2019 at 7:55pm | |
That last part is good to know, I will check on that at a later time. My 3500/4000 watt genset, so far, has run the AC but I have not tested it for a long period in hot weather, nor at high altitude where power output tends to drop. Still, I have confidence in it.
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offgrid
Senior Member Joined: 23 Jul 2018 Online Status: Offline Posts: 5290 |
Posted: 21 Apr 2019 at 8:04pm | |
In the dc (direct current) world power used (watts) = volts x amps. In the ac (alternating current) world it’s not that simple, because both voltage and current are constantly changing. If the current is not changing in phase with the voltage then the power used is less than the volts x amps. The ratio of power divided by volts x amps is the power factor. Typically in motor loads like your a/c compressor the current lags behind the voltage so the power factor is less than 1. In resistor loads like your water heater element the current and voltage are in phase and the pf is very close to 1.
It’s useful to know what the power factor of a load is for a couple of reasons. One is that you can’t just use your clamp on current meter to measure power used in ac loads. The other is that if you’re running a load with a low power factor on a generator you could overload the generator electrical circuit and trip it’s breaker while still having plenty of power available from the engine itself. At a pf of .95 the roof ac is pretty good for an a/c compressor so you could expect that the genny electrical circuit and engine will be pretty well balanced and one won’t give up much before the other. |
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1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft 2015 Rpod 179 - sold |
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offgrid
Senior Member Joined: 23 Jul 2018 Online Status: Offline Posts: 5290 |
Posted: 21 Apr 2019 at 8:09pm | |
Just for the sake of being thorough, it’s also possible that my 2015 vintage Dometic roof air isn’t as efficient as the unit in your rpod. What year is yours? |
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StephenH
podders Helping podders - pHp Joined: 29 Nov 2015 Location: Wake Forest, NC Online Status: Offline Posts: 6285 |
Posted: 21 Apr 2019 at 8:24pm | |
If one has a clamp-on meter that claims to be able to measure true RMS current, would it measure accurate pwer used for AC loads?
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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,... ouR escaPOD mods Former RPod 179 Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS |
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podwerkz
Senior Member Joined: 11 Mar 2019 Location: Texas Online Status: Offline Posts: 966 |
Posted: 21 Apr 2019 at 10:09pm | |
It's a 2019, with a standard 13.5 Dometic roof air. There was no manual for the roof A/C unit in my paperwork, but I think I found it on the Dometic webpage, and it seems to show 1762 running watts. Hmmm....maybe the lower line voltage meant less wattage, duh, or maybe I need to do another test with a higher heat load. Or maybe the kill-a-watt meter is off by a few hundred watts. Things get curiouser and curiouser.... |
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marwayne
Senior Member Joined: 25 Oct 2011 Location: Edmonton AB Can Online Status: Offline Posts: 1002 |
Posted: 21 Apr 2019 at 11:39pm | |
When I ran my AC with my 2000i Honda, I only ran it on low but I turned on the fan first let it run for about 5 min to cool the unit then I kicked in the compressor After a very short time the AC dropped down to 1480 watts.
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offgrid
Senior Member Joined: 23 Jul 2018 Online Status: Offline Posts: 5290 |
Posted: 22 Apr 2019 at 6:13am | |
No, it won't. RMS stands for root mean square, which is a fancy way of "averaging" the current or voltage beining measured. That doesn't tell you anything about how far out of phase with each other the current and voltage cycles are, so you don't know what the true power being used is. The kill-a-watt is a pretty low cost way to do it, but those are limited to 15A. You might try one of these: |
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offgrid
Senior Member Joined: 23 Jul 2018 Online Status: Offline Posts: 5290 |
Posted: 22 Apr 2019 at 6:16am | |
Yes, that is indeed curious. The 1762 watts is pretty close to the 1670 I get using my clamp on ammeter measurement and your power factor measurement. Do you have a clamp on ammeter you can compare to the current reading on the kill-a-watt? |
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