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    Posted: 07 Aug 2019 at 6:02am
I could believe my eyes when I saw this yesterday! I have always thought the slide tire fender was closer than the door side, but yesterday as I went out to re-grease the bearings, it was a lot closer..

Under I go. The frame does not extend to the outer wall and from the frame to the outer wall (just in the area of the axle) I have about 1 inch of sag (photo attached).


Wondering who else has had this and how it was remedied? 

This is on a 2017.5 182G (picked up 4/2018)

I have a inspection setup to see if my extended warranty will cover this..
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Yikes!

Can you tell if the frame rail is bent upwards or the floor of the trailer has moved downwards? Have you hit any large pot holes on that side recently? 
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Originally posted by offgrid

Yikes!

Can you tell if the frame rail is bent upwards or the floor of the trailer has moved downwards? Have you hit any large pot holes on that side recently? 

Now that is a very good question! I'd hadn't thought of checking that! Duh...

Frame is what's bent! Wall has a minor bow downward, but frame has a much greater on upward!

As far as pot-holes, ya I've caught a few on the highways around the major cities in the USA. I tend to avoid these and use the by-ways, but at times you can't avoid.. You would think the tire would blow from that kind of stress before the frame would bend.. Weakest point.. or so you'd think!
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Is the frame bent up about where the back end of the axle attachment bracket is? That is a weak spot because when you hit a pothole the axle torsion rod rotates up until it can't go any further and then the bracket will try to bend the frame up at the back and down in the front. 
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Originally posted by offgrid

Is the frame bent up about where the back end of the axle attachment bracket is? That is a weak spot because when you hit a pothole the axle torsion rod rotates up until it can't go any further and then the bracket will try to bend the frame up at the back and down in the front. 

I'm going to string it and determine. The bend is definitely at the axle mount as my eye sees it. I see no deflection forward or aft of that area after a couple feet in the floor, telling me the bend is at the axle mount.
I'll confirm later this morning.
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A good frame shop can fix that.
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The most common failure folks see from an axle overload (if that’s what this is) is a bent axle so you might want to check for that too. If you run a string line along the bottom of the axle tube it should show a slight crown in the center, like about 3/16 or 1/4 inch or so. If it’s not the the axle tube has probably been bent too. You can also look for the wheel on that side having negative camber (splayed out at the bottom).
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Don't have to string.. Frame is buckled and cracked at the axle mount! 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote GlueGuy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Aug 2019 at 8:19am
Originally posted by Olddawgsrule

Don't have to string.. Frame is buckled and cracked at the axle mount! 
Ouch! Sounds like you may need to visit a frame shop!
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Yeah you definitely need to get the frame straightened and reinforced. Easier than if the floor and wall was damaged, as Toyanvil says find a good frame shop.

Check out your axle too, usually it bends before the frame does. See my last post on that.

You might also get a weight on that axle and see how close you are to the 3500 lb max.

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