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    Posted: 31 Aug 2019 at 9:23am
IIRC, Stephenh had tried the Purpleline Aero. I don't recall whether he felt it provided any benefit or not. Kind of noodling out loud is whether a reverse spoiler would provide any benefit? Something that was actually curved downward and sitting above enough to encourage the airstream at the back of the R-pod to stay attached long enough to fill the vacuum bubble.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Aug 2019 at 11:35am
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As far as "why an R-Pod if it isn't aero?" I think because the shape is pleasing, and the original sizes were "just right". Sometimes, things don't have to be perfectly efficient, or the very best, at anything, to still be pleasing in people's eyes, or minds.


Thanks furpod, 
 
Yah, I was only being half serious there. Tongue But I do think lots of folks (myself included) think that the teardrop shaped front ought to be better aerodynamically. I'm not at this point convinced that it's not without seeing more data. 

The rear is another story, it clearly drops off too steep to keep the airflow attached, that needs to be 15-20 degrees tops. You can see the detaching airflow on those youtube videos.  So a proper spoiler placed where the curve reaches 15-20 degrees ought to help control it. i'm wondering if the new larger rPod spoiler is an attempt to do that. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Aug 2019 at 12:07pm
Originally posted by GlueGuy

IIRC, Stephenh had tried the Purpleline Aero. I don't recall whether he felt it provided any benefit or not. Kind of noodling out loud is whether a reverse spoiler would provide any benefit? Something that was actually curved downward and sitting above enough to encourage the airstream at the back of the R-pod to stay attached long enough to fill the vacuum bubble.

I found more benefit when we had the Escape and not as much with the Frontier. This is mainly because it sat closer to the RPod on the Escape and the Frontier, even with the tonneau cover, has the 5' bed space between the AeroPlus and the hitch plus the additional distance between the hitch and front of the trailer. It still helps deflect some of the bugs though.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Aug 2019 at 12:39pm
Originally posted by GlueGuy

IIRC, Stephenh had tried the Purpleline Aero. I don't recall whether he felt it provided any benefit or not. Kind of noodling out loud is whether a reverse spoiler would provide any benefit? Something that was actually curved downward and sitting above enough to encourage the airstream at the back of the R-pod to stay attached long enough to fill the vacuum bubble.

Kinda like a car wing sloped down rather than up?  I'm not sure it it would reduce drag or not but it would produce lift at the rear of the trailer. That's a bad thing in a race car but might be good for sway reduction on a trailer. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Aug 2019 at 12:45pm
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Kinda like a car wing sloped down rather than up?  I'm not sure it it would reduce drag or not but it would produce lift at the rear of the trailer. That's a bad thing in a race car but might be good for sway reduction on a trailer.  
Kind of like that, but much smaller. What I see in my mind's eye is something relatively small just to cause the airflow to follow the downslope. I don't think it would provide any lift, as it would be too far forward to actually push down on anything. That, and we don't travel fast enough for any significant lift.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Aug 2019 at 3:00pm
I watched those airflow videos....the one with the spoiler apparently shows that spoiler down farther, and farther away from the A/C unit than I see on the roof of my r-pod.

On my r-pod the spoiler is directly 'shadowed' by the A/C unit and the roof vent cover. This is what I refer to by being improperly placed to improve aerodynamics. It may be that on the longer r-pods, the spoiler sees some undisturbed air...but on mine, I am sure it does not.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Aug 2019 at 5:25pm
yah, on the smaller pods you have a pretty short deck. If you don't put the spoiler on before you get to where the roof slope exceeds 15-20 degrees the airflow will separate anyway, so the smaller pods might have a problem there. 

I found that software and I'm working on getting some new airflow videos now. I'm using my 179 and Highlander TV.  One problem with the models in those videos is that it looks like the Reynolds number might be set too low, allowing for some laminar flow, which we don't have at the speeds and dimensions we're working with. I reset it higher to get rid of that. 

If anyone wants to fool around with this software, here's the link, its pretty easy to use. The hardest thing is to get a good photo uploaded. Stand way back when you take the picture. You have to use a .bmp not a .jpg and it can't be wider than 1400 pixels. To get rid of the background you can use Paint and carefully cut everything else out so its all white except the trailer and TV. Once you get the profile in you can draw in whatever aero feature you want really quickly. 



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