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    Posted: 01 Mar 2020 at 7:42pm
Just wondering, if you connect a converter to the camper battery, then plug a battery charger to it.   Could you connect the charger to the battery also and constantly maintain full battery charge.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Mar 2020 at 7:56pm
If I understand correctly, you are asking if the camper is plugged in and the converter working to charge the battery, could you then plug in an additional battery charger to maintain full charge. If that is correct, then please don't. If the camper is unplugged or the converter is switched off via the breaker in the power panel, then I suppose you could use a separate charger to maintain the battery. The question would be: why? Just keep the camper plugged in and let the converter handle the battery. It will do a great job. You do not need a separate charger. It might cause problems if you try to run both at the same time.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Mar 2020 at 8:33pm
Originally posted by tony rpod 180

Just wondering, if you connect a converter to the camper battery, then plug a battery charger to it.   Could you connect the charger to the battery also and constantly maintain full battery charge.

Guessing, do you mean if you connect an inverter to the battery, then plug in a battery charger, could you maintain a full battery charge?  The answer is no. You're going to end up with less power than you start with because of loss due to resistance, if nothing else. In terms of maintaining battery power, you'd be better off doing nothing.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Mar 2020 at 8:39pm
Tony, I think you're talking about a perpetual motion machine.  I think if you check with the physicists and engineers on this board, they'll tell you it won't work.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Mar 2020 at 9:48pm
Okay. I see I missed the point. If you connect an Inverter, not a converter and a battery charger. That still presupposes that you have AC power available. In that case, my reply about a charger still applies. It makes no sense to hook up a 15A charger to the battery when you have a 55A converter already available to charge the battery. Now as for the inverter, if you already have AC available, why bother with an inverter? In any case, if you insist in using one, as long as your inverter draw is below the converter or charger capacity (say 300 Watt inverter (about 12A) and 55A converter, you should be able to keep the battery charged. If you go to a 1000 Watt (about 83A) Inverter, you would need one whopping charger to keep up. The RPod's converter would not be up to the task. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Mar 2020 at 10:14pm
Let me try again, We will be dry camping and don’t have solar, what ever the name of the thing is, it turns 12v into 110/120. Wondering if will it work if charger and converter/inverter/??? are connected to battery at same time.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Mar 2020 at 5:49am
So, energy from the 12V dc battery passes through an inverter that changes it to 120V ac. About 15-20% of the energy you start with is lost as heat doing that. Then you send that energy through a converter that changes it back to 12V dc and sends it back to the battery. That conversion process loses another 15-20%, also to heat. By the time you’re through with that whole loop only about 65-70% or so of the energy you started with makes it back to the battery. So it’s a good way to discharge a battery not keep it charged. You may as well just run an electric heater, that will have the same effect.

To keep your battery charged, you need an external source of energy. That could be a pedestal, solar, a generator, your tow vehicle engine, or even you pedaling an excercise bike with a alternator connected, but it has to be something other than the battery itself.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Mar 2020 at 7:09am
You can't charge the battery with the battery.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Mar 2020 at 7:33am
Originally posted by tony rpod 180

Let me try again, We will be dry camping and don’t have solar, what ever the name of the thing is, it turns 12v into 110/120. Wondering if will it work if charger and converter/inverter/??? are connected to battery at same time.

No.  No, it will not work.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Mar 2020 at 8:14am
Agreed. You need some form of energy input. That could be solar or a generator. Even a small generator would work just to keep the battery charged if you don't need to use any other energy intensive devices (e.g. refrigerator on AC, water heater on AC, Air Conditioner). You could get by with something like the Harbor Freight TailGator which is small and light and relatively quiet for a non-inverter generator. It is, however, 2 cycle and takes a gasoline-oil mix instead of straight gasoline. It is much less expensive than a solar setup. I just got a solar suitcase (see my mods for details). An inverter generator costs more, but is quiet and you can get one powerful enough to run your AC if needed.

If you get a generator, one thing that will help it to last a long time is to always get non-ethanol gasoline to use in it. Regardless of what the bottles of some gasoline treatments say about making ethanol gasoline safe for small engines, ethanol in the gasoline will lead to problems if it is not drained from the carburetor every time as the ethanol will attract water and gum up and clog the carburetor jets. Non-ethanol gasoline with stabilizer will not gum up the jets, even if left in the tank. My Generac iX2000 has gone for 3 or 4 months without being started and it starts up after priming with only a few pulls.
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