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    Posted: 23 Apr 2020 at 4:41pm
Your friend should try to get an antibody test. 

I'm sure we'll find many more cases where ppl died of this but weren't counted because they died at home or were never tested. 

The good news looking at places like S Korea, Hong Kong, and Singapore is that aggressive testing and contact tracing using smartphone technology can work quite well and keep ppl relatively safe while allowing life to continue, but so far we haven't taken the steps to do that effectively here or in much of Europe because of privacy concerns. 


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Originally posted by offgrid

Your friend should try to get an antibody test....

I totally agree, and have been commenting to her about needing to get an antibody test at some point.  Everything that she describes going through sounds like what Chris Cuomo (and others) have described (fever, chills, waking up soaked in sweat, shortness of breath, etc.), and the most interesting aspect was her doc being perplexed by her symptoms and the very unusual images of her lungs.

She was so smart to sleep alone and tell her husband not to get near her...that's how sick and scared she was of infecting him.
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Though testing is incredibly important in trying to get a handle on this pandemic, it is important to keep in mind that the testing for an acute infection is not terribly reliable.  At Kaiser in CA they are finding that 20% of the tests are showing false negatives.  And false negatives are especially dangerous because if people rely on the testing, those individuals who tested with a false negative, could be out in the general population spreading the infection.

Antibody tests are also useful, but they are retrospective, helping us under stand who was infected at one point or another, but they don't necessarily tell us who is actively infected and contagious.  The are very useful in helping us understand how deeply the SARS-CoV-2 infection has penetrated the general population and what measures are needed to limit it's spread.
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...Antibody tests are also useful, but they are retrospective, helping us under stand who was infected at one point or another, but they don't necessarily tell us who is actively infected and contagious.  The are very useful in helping us understand how deeply the SARS-CoV-2 infection has penetrated the general population and what measures are needed to limit it's spread.

Right, but if this thing was spreading in late November that would be an important bit of information that would upend the timeline and help the scientific community better understand the history of this virus.

Right now I'd put a C-note on her having had the virus in early December based on everything I know about it...

Gov. Gavin Newsom of California said on Wednesday that there could be “subsequent announcements” as investigations across the state further examine the early origins of the virus. He said investigators are looking at coroner and autopsy reports going back to December in some counties.


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Gotta go.  Need to get a bleach injection to stave this thing off.

That would almost certainly assure you didn't get Covid. Dead bodies don't get around much so are pretty good at social distancing. LOL
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Pod_Geek, I fully agree with you.  The earlier we could have known about this dreadful disease the better.  I know someone in the Bay Area who has has it, as confirmed by her treating doctors at Kaiser, yet she's had 2 negative virus infection tests; the ones with the 20% false negative problem.  Thankfully, she finally seems to be on the mend after almost 4 weeks of symptoms and 2 trips to ER.  

Why bother with an injection, I've set up an IV drip to a gallon of Clorox.  It's a sustained attack.  Next we'll hear that swallowing lye is good for heartburn.
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Originally posted by lostagain

Though testing is incredibly important in trying to get a handle on this pandemic, it is important to keep in mind that the testing for an acute infection is not terribly reliable.  At Kaiser in CA they are finding that 20% of the tests are showing false negatives.  And false negatives are especially dangerous because if people rely on the testing, those individuals who tested with a false negative, could be out in the general population spreading the infection. 

There has got to be a dozen different "tests" around now, and not all of them are reliable. The quick, 5-minute Abbot test can give varying results; especially if the sample is not large enough. The original CDC test was pretty much unusable because two of the three production labs self-contaminated the test kits. The whole testing thing in the US is a pure fiasco, SNAFU, pick the acronym of your choice.

WRT your clorox drip. I'm going to a 100-proof Jack Daniels drip; it should be a bit more enjoyable.
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Not sure about the potential negative effects of IV administration of the organics in Jack Daniels so lab grade ethanol might be safer. But only 0.4% is the 50% lethal blood alcohol level in humans and the CDC says hand sanitizer has to be 60% alcohol to effectively kill Sars-Cov-2, so you'd need 150x the lethal dose to kill the virus. Just drink the Jack and enjoy the flavor. Well before you get to the lethal dose you won't be worrying about Covid anyhow. 
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Originally posted by offgrid

Not sure about the potential negative effects of IV administration of the organics in Jack Daniels so lab grade ethanol might be safer. But only 0.4% is the 50% lethal blood alcohol level in humans and the CDC says hand sanitizer has to be 60% alcohol to effectively kill Sars-Cov-2, so you'd need 150x the lethal dose to kill the virus. Just drink the Jack and enjoy the flavor. Well before you get to the lethal dose you won't be worrying about Covid anyhow. 

I was being sarcastic. Sorry it didn't work.
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'course it worked, I was being tongue in cheek too...Tongue
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