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    Posted: 28 Mar 2020 at 7:12pm
Originally posted by podwerkz


And yet I am STILL getting scam phone calls from India.

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Y'all know that call center (legitimate or scam) workers in India are their middle class, right?  They have access to computers and telephony equipment, are trained in how to use them, and speak fluent English. Probably they are working from home just like white collar workers here are. 

I was talking about the real poor in India, those ppl don't have computers, phones, or broadband, they live in hovels, wash in basins.  Most don't speak English so they don't have access to those call center jobs, they speak the local language, of which there are 22 official ones and more dialects. They work odd jobs of various kinds when they can get them, or sell stuff on street corners, whatever they can do to survive day to day. If you haven't been there and seen it its hard to even try to describe it. 

What Modi has done in India is by far the most brutal coronavirus response of any country. Maybe its the only choice, but its clear that India's poor are expendable, as sadly they always have been.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Mar 2020 at 6:19pm
As offgrid suggests, no work, no food. 

And no food leads to unpleasant consequences apart from viruses.  There are millions upon millions of opportunistic organisms just waiting for a weakened immune system from lack of adequate nutrition.  

As the article Glue Guy so kindly linked us to, reminds us, when medical resources are used up for coronavirus, there are many, many people with garden variety illnesses, such as a myocardial infarction, who will no longer be among us because basic ICU care is not available.  So, don't go having strokes or heart attacks now.  The time is not propitious.  

Don't go out!  Write interesting posts here and work on your travel trailer at home.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Mar 2020 at 4:44pm
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A hardship is what’s happening to tens of millions of poor ppl locked down in India who only eat today if they work today.

And yet I am STILL getting scam phone calls from India.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Mar 2020 at 12:03pm
Overall a good article. I agree with the author that we need to drop the hammer now.

The description about how S Korea and Singapore contained this is a good one but it misses the point I think about the legal and cultural differences between those places and he US/Western Europe. One is that in East Asian countries ppl are very accustomed to wearing masks. You see it all the time there. The other is the acceptance of access and publication of information there that western societies view as an invasion of privacy. Practically everyone in S Korea and Singapore have smart phones and the governments have broad access to the location and contact information in those phones. That’s what they mostly used to trace and supress the virus. I doubt that the cultural and legal frameworks in the West can allow those techniques to be adopted quickly enough. Unless we do, the “dance” won’t work for us like it’s doing in East Asia.

On the optimistic side is the point that the mutation rate of corinaviruses is significantly lower than the flu. As I understand it, the more RNA base pairs the more likely that viral mutations will fail to be viable, slowing down the mutation rate. Coronaviruses are much more complex than the flu, having around 30000 base pairs vs 14000 for influenza. So so far while there are several strains of SARS-CoV-2 out there none of them are radically different. That should help with the whole vaccine development thing.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Mar 2020 at 10:30am
Thanks for the link to that very informative article, Glue Guy.  

Sadly, it seems that we are letting our differences interfere with real science and will pay dearly.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Mar 2020 at 10:21am
If you've got the time (ha ha), it would be worth your while to read this article about the hammer and dance. It outlines most of the basic issues and options. It suggests that if we get very, very aggressive with testing (like South Korea did), then we could possibly get a handle on this relatively quickly. Sadly, it appears that we are not yet getting our act together for this option.
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There is no vaccine and there won’t be one for this round. It will peak before one can possibly be ready. Forget the movies, it doesn’t work that way in the real world.   There is no sign yet in the US numbers of any fall in the rate of exponential increase in either cases or deaths. If anything the doubling time of the death rate is shortening a little.

Control of transmission is the only way right now. And by definition that limits what we Americans cherish as our personal freedoms.There will be more than one round too, resurgence is inevitable unless lockdowns are continued indefinitely, and they can’t be. The 1918 flu had three rounds in the US before enough ppl contracted it to build up herd immunity.

The countries coming through this first round best are the ones acting most aggressively in curbing transmission by limiting movement and interaction of people. For the undemocratic ones thats pretty easy. Some are democratic but most of those (like S Korea and Singapore) are not nearly as culturally resistant to government interventions as we are.

So let’s be real, not getting to go camping is not a hardship. A hardship is what’s happening to tens of millions of poor ppl locked down in India who only eat today if they work today.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Mar 2020 at 7:03pm
I agree it's real. We need to care for each other. It's not that bad to be home and with your family. If I never camped again, I have a million great memories.
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+1 to Glue Guy.  Viruses know no boundaries and could give a flying fig about someone's politics, nationality, or religion.  I pray that we will find a vaccine sooner than later.  Sadly, due to lack of testing available, we are only seeing the tip of the iceberg.  And for every person infected, s/he infects at least 2 more.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Mar 2020 at 6:09pm
Originally posted by Olddawgsrule

To an extent I get the Parks closings. 

Sorry, but I do not get closing the Forests... 

Folks, there are people out there trying to live.. Most I talk to are just trying to get home without overnighting someplace weird. A few I know live out there and just looking for a place to ride this out.

It's become a 'Hide in place' situation.

This has just gone far beyond.... I'll stop here. God help us all if this ever gets real...

It's pretty real. If we never get around to testing it will get more than real because we still don't know the extent of the problem.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
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