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Hardwear Hank
Newbie Joined: 07 Mar 2021 Location: Long Island, NY Online Status: Offline Posts: 29 |
Calendar Event: Towing rpod 192 Posted: 28 May 2021 at 6:39pm |
If you do go with a Tundra consider towing a small utility trailer with additional gas tanks. The tundra while a great reliable truck get horrible fuel economy. The worst in the industry. I get 10-11 MPG while not trailering.
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offgrid
Senior Member Joined: 23 Jul 2018 Online Status: Offline Posts: 5290 |
Posted: 04 Jun 2020 at 9:09am |
For sure, less is more. My wife is still working so if we went down to one vehicle I would be the one walking.
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StephenH
podders Helping podders - pHp Joined: 29 Nov 2015 Location: Wake Forest, NC Online Status: Offline Posts: 6288 |
Posted: 04 Jun 2020 at 8:52am |
Since my wife does not drive, it makes no sense to have two vehicles. I'd rather not have to pay the cost of a second vehicle along with tax, tag, license, and annual taxes and registration.
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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,... ouR escaPOD mods Former RPod 179 Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS |
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offgrid
Senior Member Joined: 23 Jul 2018 Online Status: Offline Posts: 5290 |
Posted: 04 Jun 2020 at 7:23am |
Makes sense to me. Even after EV's eventually take over the new car market, there will still be plenty of classic ICE vehicles out there and interested groups that will keep them on the road. We don't do any long distance travel other than by air anymore. Now that we're off the Outer Banks most of the camping we do will be within a couple hours drive in the Appalachians. So, electric should work for me pretty early. But not yet, WV for example is still pretty much a blank spot on the map of level 3 charge stations. That being said, most families have at least two vehicles, so why not electric for the daily driver and ICE for long distance and towing? Charging at home is super convenient and would be nice right now during Covid too.
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1994 Chinook Concourse
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offgrid
Senior Member Joined: 23 Jul 2018 Online Status: Offline Posts: 5290 |
Posted: 03 Jun 2020 at 5:29pm |
Not true at all about the hybrid. The hybrid drive has far less moving parts than a normal auto trans, about 10%. It is basically a planetary gearset with the two motor/generators integrated into the transmission allowing them to rotate in both directions under electronic control to create a continuously variable trans. It sounds complex and the software is, as are the various power flows, but the rotating hardware is dead simple. BTW there is no starter in a Prius, one of the motor-generators does that job, another simplification. Also, it babies the ICE, which is allowed to warm up while the motors drive the car, and the ICE is never hammered. You can flog a Prius on mountain roads and the motors take the beating, the ICE torque demand and rpm changes are always muted. Takes some getting used to the sounds but it works just fine. And, to podwerk's point about braking, you can normally drive so you hardly use the friction brakes, the motor/generators do all the braking while recharging the battery. That is not the case with long downhills with the standard non plug in Prius though, once the small battery is recharged there is no place for the energy to go except engine braking, (there is a selection for that on the "shifter") which isn't great, because the engine is quite small. That's where pure EV's with big batteries come in. If you look at the youtube report on the Tesla X towing on the Ike Gauntlet it is the only vehicle they ever tested there that needed zero friction braking. Just set the cruise control and watch the charge level go up. Anyhow the proof is in the pudding with the Prius, they routinely go half a million miles in taxi service, which is rough for any vehicle. Many places you go now its hard to find a taxi that isn't a Prius. They replaced the Crown Vics, another solid and reliable vehicle, but not nearly as durable as the Prius. And yes, being the conservation guy I am I waited for the gen 3 Prius before I bought mine. As for the F150 EV, there is zero reason to think that if the vehicle empty goes 500 miles on a charge that it will only go 150 towing. Do the math. If you get 24 mpg empty and 14 towing in the gasser, a ratio of 58%, then we should see the same ratio on the electric version. Same aerodynamics and rolling resistance so same hp demand, whether it is coming from an electric motor of an ICE. We have no idea what Ford will actually produce, but something around 40-50% range reduction should be expected when towing, just like with an ICE. |
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1994 Chinook Concourse
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StephenH
podders Helping podders - pHp Joined: 29 Nov 2015 Location: Wake Forest, NC Online Status: Offline Posts: 6288 |
Posted: 03 Jun 2020 at 5:26pm |
Count me among the later adopters. We do too much long-distance travel to bet on electric any time soon. If we are able to take that trip to Alaska, it will be difficult enough with an ICE vehicle.
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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,... ouR escaPOD mods Former RPod 179 Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS |
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offgrid
Senior Member Joined: 23 Jul 2018 Online Status: Offline Posts: 5290 |
Posted: 03 Jun 2020 at 4:49pm |
I think what you are missing in your point is that we don't need to have enough level 3 charging stations to replace all the gas stations immediately. Put another way, your are likely right that it will take 25 plus years for the entire fleet to be converted to electric (if it ever does). What we need to have by 2025 is sufficient charging stations dispersed adequately to get everyone to consider an EV at their next purchase. There will be early, middle, and late adopters that will spread out the transition, and even then only when they need to change. A vehicle isn't a cell phone, most folks aren't going to have the dough to dump a perfectly good vehicle just because they want the coolest new thing.
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1994 Chinook Concourse
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GlueGuy
Senior Member Joined: 15 May 2017 Location: N. California Online Status: Offline Posts: 2629 |
Posted: 03 Jun 2020 at 1:35pm |
I will also argue that a hybrid is far more complicated than a turbocharged engine of any number of cylinders. The electric F-150 is all slide-ware for now. Even if it has a 500 mile range empty, I would be shocked if it could produce more than 150 miles pulling a 5,000 lb trailer.
This is also a test.
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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River 2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost |
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podwerkz
Senior Member Joined: 11 Mar 2019 Location: Texas Online Status: Offline Posts: 966 |
Posted: 03 Jun 2020 at 1:31pm |
Oh, thats interesting and opposite of my expectations....like I said, they may be controlling valve timing and exhaust flow to control speed and rpm under gravity-assisted forward progress....but as I said, I never see that being discussed...and it is very important.
Tow/haul mode is the setting that enables the vehicle ECM or PCM to make use of different shift points, but that in itself does not slow the vehicle during a descent. Its the performance of the engine when the fuel flow is cut to zero (or nearly zero) and the intake or exhaust air to or from the engine (or its individual cylinders) is reduced or restricted, that actually provides 'brake horsepower'...which is what actually retards engine RPM.
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StephenH
podders Helping podders - pHp Joined: 29 Nov 2015 Location: Wake Forest, NC Online Status: Offline Posts: 6288 |
Posted: 03 Jun 2020 at 1:27pm |
The Escape we had was pretty good about holding speed on all but steep downgrades. The transmission would downshift so I didn't need to hit the brakes as much. I've had to hit the brakes more with the Frontier (NA engine) than I did with the Escape (Turbocharged).
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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,... ouR escaPOD mods Former RPod 179 Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS |
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