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Junkinpod
Newbie Joined: 04 Jun 2019 Location: ON Online Status: Offline Posts: 18 |
Topic: Broken Welds on Floor Joists Posted: 10 Jul 2020 at 11:19pm |
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I believe that as the floor dropped, the back hatch on that side leaked as it didn't close properly when the side dropped. The slide would have changed position too... - it really looks like the worst water damage is around the slide. The entire wall on the slide side has dropped 1-2" - noticeable even within the wheel well, the tire is closer to the fender. There are no water marks on the walls or ceiling.
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Belinda
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lostagain
Senior Member Joined: 06 Sep 2016 Location: Quaker Hill, CT Online Status: Offline Posts: 2583 |
Posted: 10 Jul 2020 at 11:33pm | |
It's time to send this trailer to trailer heaven. It's got a NADA value of about US$11,000 if in good condition. There is no way it can be fixed, at least by other than do it yourselfers, for less than the fair market value.
Tars, you're right about the sale date, I don't always retain every detail of every post and forgot about that. After owning the trailer for 5 years, it would be impossible to prove that this condition was anything other than lack of proper maintenance during that time.
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Fred & Maria Kearney Sonoma 167RB Our Pod 172 2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost |
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offgrid
Senior Member Joined: 23 Jul 2018 Online Status: Offline Posts: 5290 |
Posted: 11 Jul 2020 at 8:15am | |
OK so the side dropping opened a gap in either the garage or slide or both where water got in? If so one would think that there should be water damage in the wall areas of the trailer where the gaps were created, but you're saying there is no water damage at all other than in the flooring?
Its a bit of a chicken or egg question on the aluminum framing vs the plywood in the flooring. Both are contributing structurally to the rigidity of the floor. Creating a composite structural sandwich is how they are able to make them so light. Its not like the floor does nothing but sit on the framing or vice versa. So if the water got into the wood floor first and weakened it the welds breaking could be because the flooring lost any strength and the welds were overloaded. The fact that you didn't notice any gaps from the floor dropping until last year at which point the floor was wet would support that argument. It could also be argued that regardless of when the gaps occurred, you were negligent in not noticing them and addressing the leakage before the floor damage became severe. I'm just being the devil's advocate here. Besides the warranty limitations others have addressed its pretty easy to come up with counter arguments to your assertion as to what the root cause if the failure was. I agree with LA's recommendation, time to either move on or get into a really serious DIY project. If you do decide to throw in the towel, consider recovering some value by selling salvaged components from the trailer. The Dometic circuit boards for example are apparently made from some kind of unobtanium so I'm sure you could eventually get some $$ for them. Good luck!
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StephenH
podders Helping podders - pHp Joined: 29 Nov 2015 Location: Wake Forest, NC Online Status: Offline Posts: 6283 |
Posted: 11 Jul 2020 at 8:45am | |
It isn't only RPods that are subject to this happening. We know someone who lives near us who has a much larger trailer (I don't know the brand) that had a similar problem of the wall dropping. I don't know if the cause was the same, but he was in much the same situation of whether it could be repaired or not. In this case, it looks like a whole new floor would be needed. That is not something that would be easy as the trailer would have to be essentially deconstructed down to the bare floor to fix/replace it, then reconstructed. See any of the videos of the construction at the factory to see what that involves. I think it is too big a project unless one has essentially a factory space to do the work and the tools and expertise to tackle a job like this. Consider this one totaled, take whatever insurance money offered (if any) or do as Offgrid suggested and sell of parts to at least get some return.
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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,... ouR escaPOD mods Former RPod 179 Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS |
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mjlrpod
Senior Member Joined: 27 Sep 2016 Location: Massachusetts Online Status: Offline Posts: 1214 |
Posted: 11 Jul 2020 at 1:45pm | |
I can tell you without a doubt, those welds are absolutely no good. On one photo, you can see there was zero penetration on the floor joist. It was a cold weld and not up to standards. I would pursue that with forest river for sure. Get a weld shop to write you an opinion on that weld, they will know just looking at it it was a cold torch.
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Olddawgsrule
Senior Member Joined: 20 Sep 2017 Location: New Hampshire Online Status: Offline Posts: 1014 |
Posted: 11 Jul 2020 at 3:07pm | |
I do agree the welds are bad and if you watch the video I posted you will see how quick they pass on each. It's an end-game.. just means someone with aluminum welding experience needs to come in.
I still say add the out riggers from the frame to the outside wall. I suggest this to anyone who owns an rPod (previous issues or not). Not all that hard to do and great insurance! So many other things ya'll will do, but wonder how many may this.. Belinda, this is good news! You now know why this happened structure wise and how easy it is to fix! Is there recurse, on anyone, I doubt it.. I would push Forest River, which will push it to Lippert (who makes the frames), yet would go ahead and repair it. They will jump back and forth for several months and truly waste you time. Busting them on this is still worth the effort! It could benefit others down the line. A good MIG guy/gal can handle this without issue. Same person, t would be breeze for the outrigger supports. Seal the leak (the source of this issue) and start replacing. You're on your way! |
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Olddawgsrule
Senior Member Joined: 20 Sep 2017 Location: New Hampshire Online Status: Offline Posts: 1014 |
Posted: 11 Jul 2020 at 3:09pm | |
If this ever happens to you, give me a call. I'm come pick it up and get it off your hands. You give in way too easy...
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lostagain
Senior Member Joined: 06 Sep 2016 Location: Quaker Hill, CT Online Status: Offline Posts: 2583 |
Posted: 11 Jul 2020 at 6:36pm | |
I could be wrong, but at least based upon the videos from the FR factory, Lippert makes the chassis but not the floor structure. The aluminum welding is by FR's employees. And in fairness to the welders, they are not really given the time to do a workman like job.
One can push FR to do something, but the chances of success under these circumstances, are slim to none. Yes, you can pay some welding shop person write a letter and tell FR the welding was lousy, but if you think that will be persuasive to them, I've got a bridge I'll give you a good deal on. To have a metallurgist examine the welds and write an "expert" opinion would be very costly. The costs of convincing FR that they messed up would far exceed the fair market value of the trailer. .... and that's before you even thought about bringing in the evil ones, .... the lawyers. If Olddwawgsrule is wiling to take it off your hands and is willing to drive to beautiful Ontario, take him up on it. It's far better option than having to pay a junk dealer to haul it away.
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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney Sonoma 167RB Our Pod 172 2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost |
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offgrid
Senior Member Joined: 23 Jul 2018 Online Status: Offline Posts: 5290 |
Posted: 11 Jul 2020 at 9:13pm | |
Consider that the welds are probably only there to tack the aluminum frame together until the plywood is attached. I'm guessing that's why FR doesn't care how its welded. The plywood ties everything together. If its dry that works fine but if it gets wet then there is no structure left. Put another way, I'm not convinced the welds were the root cause of this problem, I think its more likely that the water intrusion happened first. Just my opinion.
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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft 2015 Rpod 179 - sold |
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Olddawgsrule
Senior Member Joined: 20 Sep 2017 Location: New Hampshire Online Status: Offline Posts: 1014 |
Posted: 12 Jul 2020 at 5:24am | |
Oh come on now... Those welds are there to support the exterior wall, not the plywood.
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