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    Posted: 06 Mar 2021 at 7:13am
I haven’t done this particular install but the most challenging part is always properly installing the module on the RV roof. The electrical is easy once you find the wires in the location for the controller which by several accounts from other owners are not labeled.

I think the go power kit uses z brackets to attach the module, which is good as it allows cooling airflow underneath. You’ll need to know what you’re attaching to on the roof structure, you can get several hundred lbs of wind uplift. There are some good videos showing how the original smaller rpod roofs are made but I’m not sure they apply to the newer larger rpods. Here is one FWIW:

https://youtu.be/vMXneKc_fDo

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I bought a 196 pre-wired and plan to add solar. I purchased go-power overlander kit, which has the solar panel and the solar controller.

I plan to mount on top.

If you or others have done this, I would appreciate reading your advice, steps, and such for installing the kit. I am handy, but haven't done this before. Smile 
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There’s no harm done putting a fuse on the solar side of the controller, so go for it if you want. Just sayin’ you don’t have to. While the “waterproof” Renogy controllers are rated to IP67, which includes testing for short water immersions up to 1 meter, the terminals themselves aren’t protected so adding an additional box isn't going to hurt either.

I think you’ve done a great job on you solar system and it should work well for you,
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I will attach magnets to the controller so I can attach to frame. May also come up with place near batteries if needed. Even though the charge controller is waterproof, I am looking at a small pelican type box to help protect it.
The 15A fuse between the panels and controller is just an extra precaution on my part.
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Looks nice! Should work out well, and you can always increase the length of the wires to the battery if you find you need more length to get the solar panel into the sun.

I assume you mean the rPod frame when you say you are attaching the controller to the frame with magnets? Nothing else is made of steel I don’t Think. Did you glue the magnets to the controller?

Also, it won’t hurt anything that you have made the 15A fuse there but for future reference for others its not really needed. Solar modules are current limited and won’t produce enough current to blow the fuse anyway, unless you have 3 or more in parallel. You do need the fuse at the battery because it can produce hundreds of amps.
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I put together my portable solar panel setup this week. Purchased 2 HQST 100 W Monocrystalline Solar Panels from Amazon along with a Renogy 20A waterproof charge controller.  I also bought 20 feet of 10AWG wire with the correct connectors and the male and female SAE connectors. I assembled the panels into one unit with legs made from spare aluminum banisters from my friend's railing project. The unit folds up and the wire and charge controller can fit inside. I also bought a case big enough to store the unit when closed.  Additional materials include: hinges, clasps to close the case, nuts and bolts, etc. The wire runs from the solar panels to the charge controller with a 15Amp in-line fuse. From the charge controller I attached the male SAE connector and the female will install on the battery case and connect to the battery with a 20A fuse on the positive lead. I can then just plug and unplug the unit at the batteries and attach the charge controller to the frame with magnets when in use.



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If you connect the solar system at the battery then the fuse in the panel doesn’t protect the wires. If you were to get a short on those wires hundreds of amps would flow from the battery into the short and cook off the wires.

You don’t need a fuse on the solar side of the controller at all because if those wires get shorted nothing happens except that you stop charging. Unlike a battery, the solar module short circuit current (called Isc and should be listed on the module label) is current limited by the amount of sunshine on the module to only about 10% more than the normal max power current (Imp) so the fuse wouldn’t blow anyway. Try it sometime. With the module disconnected from the controller short its two output leads together. All you’ll get is a little spark when you make or break the connection, the wires and the solar module will be fine. Just don’t try that with the battery leads unless you like electrical fires or exploding batteries.

Only if you had 3 or more solar modules wired in parallel would you need fuses for them to keep current from 2 or more solar modules from backfeeding into the shorted one.

Edit: the other question was placement fuses. If you think of an electrical system like a plumbing system it becomes clear. If you get a leak in a pipe and your only cutoff valve is downstream from where the leak is it does you no good. That's why fuses and circuit breakers are always placed upstream from the wires or devices they are supposed to protect. So a battery fuse or circuit breaker that is 20 ft from the battery doesn't help if you get a short in the wire in between. 
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Originally posted by yelvington

I read Offgrid's comment to mean a fuse between the solar panel and the battery. (Is there any reason this can't be done at the solar panel end?)

The battery's wiring already connects to a circuit breaker in the power distribution box. 


Because the current from the battery back to the "short" is very hot so you want to stop it as soon as possible. The current from the solar is not significantly threatening.
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I read Offgrid's comment to mean a fuse between the solar panel and the battery. (Is there any reason this can't be done at the solar panel end?)

The battery's wiring already connects to a circuit breaker in the power distribution box. 


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Originally posted by Pod People

there has been no mention of the solar charge controller in this discussion. Just to make sure I understand correctly, the solar panel feeds the solar charge controller and then on to the battery. I have a fuse between the solar charger controller and the battery. Is that correct?
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Correct. Locate the fuse at the battery end of the positive output wire from the charge controller. The fuse is there to protect the wire, so it should be no higher than 20A for 12 gauge, 30A for 10 gauge, or 40A for 8 gauge. Could be a smaller fuse/breaker if you want, but per Code needs to be a minimum of 1.56 x Isc (short circuit current rating listed on the solar module label). The 1.56 multiplier - edit: two 25% factors multiplied together (1.25  X 1.25 = 1.56) is to avoid nuisance tripping if you get extra output from what's called the "edge of cloud" effect, where extra sunshine reflects off nice white clouds onto the solar module. 
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