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    Posted: 03 Apr 2021 at 7:57am
Originally posted by lostagain

Old, you seem to have a dog in this race.  Personally, I don't care whether one buys a WDH or not.  

All I am saying is that the picture shows a midsize pickup truck with too much weight aft.  Weight needs to be moved forward.  A WDH can take care of that.  You could add weight to the rear of the trailer to lighten the relative tongue weight, but that may be at the expense of increasing the potential for sway, an unpleasant condition.  

WDH's are not that expensive in the grand scheme of things.  For a little more than $300 you can solve the balance and weight transfer problem, have a lot more directional stability, sway protection, and comfort in cross-winds and other challenging driving conditions, especially on long trips.  

When I look at our F-150 it is clear to me that this supposedly full sized pickup is more balanced with a WHD and it sure drives a lot nicer.  Certainly, I could do with out it, but I'm not into white knuckle driving.  Why bother?  When I connect up the WDH, everything looks more balanced, and the weighing of the trailer at the CAT scale proved that to be the case with more than 150 lbs. transferred to the front wheels.  

It's clear that you are no fan of WDH's and that is your prerogative.  But others, by sharing their preferences are not trying to unduly influence the OP's request for information.  They're simply sharing their experiences.  

My point is not to just do the simple, buy something, yet learn what the issue/problem actually is and attempt to cure that. I own the same basic truck he does and balancing cured the issue. You seem to have missed that..

I've towed the 182g with my F150 without a WDH. Truck was level and could hardly tell it was back there until I hit a steep grade (4.6l) and she'd downshift. 

Fan or not of WDH, using one is not the first step. Learning the cause of the issue and curing it to the best you can first is always the best direction. 

I 'know' first hand that I don't require WDH to level my TV's (Taco or F150) and had 12% tongue weight (420). I used sway only to control in windy conditions. Now that Wouldn't leave home without.

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Push the R-pod!

Now THERE is a novel solution!

Problem solved!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Mar 2021 at 6:34pm
Heck, you could have two r-Pods, one in front, the other in back.  It'd be just like pushing jets around on tarmac at the airport.  Ermm
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Mar 2021 at 6:30pm
Originally posted by podwerkz

Need more weight on the steer axle? 

Just add a front receiver hitch and hitch rack and load up a big honkin' genset and a few cinder blocks....

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Oh yeah. Another solution. Put a receiver on the front and PUSH the trailer!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Mar 2021 at 6:29pm
Old, you seem to have a dog in this race.  Personally, I don't care whether one buys a WDH or not.  

All I am saying is that the picture shows a midsize pickup truck with too much weight aft.  Weight needs to be moved forward.  A WDH can take care of that.  You could add weight to the rear of the trailer to lighten the relative tongue weight, but that may be at the expense of increasing the potential for sway, an unpleasant condition.  

WDH's are not that expensive in the grand scheme of things.  For a little more than $300 you can solve the balance and weight transfer problem, have a lot more directional stability, sway protection, and comfort in cross-winds and other challenging driving conditions, especially on long trips.  

When I look at our F-150 it is clear to me that this supposedly full sized pickup is more balanced with a WHD and it sure drives a lot nicer.  Certainly, I could do with out it, but I'm not into white knuckle driving.  Why bother?  When I connect up the WDH, everything looks more balanced, and the weighing of the trailer at the CAT scale proved that to be the case with more than 150 lbs. transferred to the front wheels.  

It's clear that you are no fan of WDH's and that is your prerogative.  But others, by sharing their preferences are not trying to unduly influence the OP's request for information.  They're simply sharing their experiences.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Mar 2021 at 6:22pm
Need more weight on the steer axle? 

Just add a front receiver hitch and hitch rack and load up a big honkin' genset and a few cinder blocks....

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Mar 2021 at 5:41pm
olddogsrule, I can assure you that I need a wdh. I am at 11% on the tongue when my gray tank is full and my fwt empty. That is as low as I'm willing to go. When my fwt is full and gray tank empty I'm at 500 lbs. Without the wdh my rig looks like the op's and my front to rear TV axle imbalance is about 1000 lbs. I would not tow with my rig without the wdh.

The point us that you can't fully control how you load, water at least will start forward and move aft over time. There are other loads that are also hard to relocate, and good reasons, like sway risk, not to.

Although a wdh when set properly will not get the TV back to where it was without the trailer it will put the front axle back where it was and place some tongue load on the trailer axle, so the rear TV axle squat will be reduced dramatically.

Let me ask the question from the other direction, what is bad about having a wdh to improve load balance on a rig with a relatively light TV?You get additional ride improvement and loading flexibility. What's not to like?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Mar 2021 at 3:57pm
Good God... How did they ever manage before this WDH was marketed... 

Oh ya, balancing the load and buying the right tow vehicle. Life was so much simpler then...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Mar 2021 at 3:56pm
Originally posted by lostagain

From a lay person's perspective, if the loaded TV and trailer don't sit evenly in a straight line back to front, such as is depicted in H-B's foto where the front is noticeably lifted, you probably need a WDH.  It may be possible to get along without it, but what you gain in ease of driving will make it worth it.  You gain better control, better wind stability, and better sway resistance all wrapped in one device.

Buying a system because you don't wish to figure out how to load? Okay for you I guess? Is this what we wish to teach or pass along?? Should we not at least show how to find and cure the main cause?

Hey, I get you guys bought into this, as did I! I learned and only wish that others don't spend the dollar before understanding the real issue and how to over-come.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Mar 2021 at 3:50pm
Originally posted by GlueGuy

Ford recommends a WDH on our F150 if the tongue weight is > 500 lbs.


Ford's ratings, as I understand them, state you only gain 120lbs in tongue weight with WDH. Heck, that's almost the weight of the hitch! No gain seen. The original issue remains. 

You are unbalanced. 

Your F150 (like mine) has higher capability than the Tacoma we are discussing (wifies rig). The weight placed on the tongue 'does not move'. It remains on the tongue. 

For Ford to recommend that bothers me. Just another reason I'm looking for a pre "85 Ford.. F250 or better. Okay, decent shape under $6K....


 
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