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offgrid
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Topic: batteries Posted: 15 Jan 2022 at 3:36pm |
Lead acid batteries in a stable open circuit condition will be around 12.6-12.8v when fully charged. The 13.1V indicates that either the battery is charging or has recently been charged. An hour or two at open circuit is sufficient for the battery to stabilize. So your voltage greadings are normal. That doesn't really tell you much about the battery capacity though. Capacity is measured in amp hours. To test that you need to leave a known load (in amps) on the battery for a specified time (in hours). Amps x hours = amp hours. Take out something like 50 amp hours to get a good capacity reading. You'll need a timer and an ammeter. If your battery gets below 12V then stop. There are inexpensive DC clamp on multimeters on Amazon.
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john in idaho
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 15 Jan 2022 at 7:58am |
You might have better luck getting a name and model number off of the charger in your rPod and contacting that manufacturer. As a suggestion only and not implying any great knowledge of the subject, you might want to switch battery types. I have been very happy with two 6v golf cart batteries since I bought the rPod in nov of 2014. But one does have to check the water level from time to time, and even when it looks pretty good, a surprising amount of distilled water is needed to top each cell off. And the curve on the front of the pod makes a flashlight and mirror a good choice. It may be time to replace them this spring.
I recently switched out the battery box but that is a whole different subject.
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StephenH
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 15 Jan 2022 at 7:57am |
When you test right after turning power off, you are getting a surface charge reading. I think this will be confirmed, but it is recommended to wait before testing. The 12.88 is likely the true state of charge reading since the battery had time to even out.
Note that with AGM batteries, stratification is not an issue.
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Hunter
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 15 Jan 2022 at 7:41am |
I had a talk with a mechanic friend of mine and he told me a story of a woman with a camper who had a agm battery which kept running down quickly which I think she charged with the camper. She replaced the battery a couple of times and finally discovered that recharging it with the camper hurt the battery and has now switched to regular lead acid batteries. He suggested that my problem might be the same and that I check with the manufacturer of my camper to see if there is a problem with the rpod charging system charging Agm batteries? I have now left the power off the camper for 24 hrs and the batteries are holding at 12.88 which is down from the original 13.1 when I pulled the power? I of course have been using the rpod power system to charge the batteries and keep them up whenever I have shore power. Anyone have any contacts with rpod to ask this question? I have not had much luck contacting them .
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offgrid
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 14 Jan 2022 at 6:22pm |
Good question. After my personak experience with 16+V from my WFCO, I wouldn't. That would cook 'em. I'd consider getting a Progressive Dynamics charger future proofed with a lithium setting in case you want to change over later.
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john in idaho
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 14 Jan 2022 at 9:54am |
So, Offgrid, are you saying that one should not charge AGM batteries with the charger in the r-Pod?
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offgrid
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 12 Jan 2022 at 5:56pm |
A little battery 101.
Flooded batteries need higher charge voltages occasionally. Flooded batteries tend to stratify, with the heavier sulfuric acid (lead acid battery electrolyte is a combination of water and sulfuric acid) settling to the bottom leaving lighter water on top. Eventually this can cause damage to the battery. Once a battery is fully charged additional charging results in electrolysis of the water, creating hydrogen and oxygen. The bubbles this forms mixes the electrolyte and counteracts the stratification. This process is called equalization, and good chargers have an equalization cycle at intervals if you select the flooded battery option. AGM and gelled electrolyte batteries (generically called valve regulated lead acid batteries) fix the electrolyte in place either by gelling it or absorbing it into glass matt's so they don't stratify and don't need equalization charging. However, they also have less electrolyte and no way to add more. They are aren't really sealed, just have valves that regulate the internal pressure, hence the name VRLA. The valves are needed to vent the gasses if they do get overcharged. Otherwise they will try to recombine (burn) the hydrogen and oxygen internally, overheat and can explode. Not good. So be sure you do not charge AGMs or gell batts using the flooded battery setting on your charger. So the pros of AGMs are no stratification and no need to equalize or add water regularly. The cons are high cost and lack of a way to add water if they are overcharged. Not much if any difference in capacity or cycle life. Hope that helps. |
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StephenH
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 12 Jan 2022 at 12:24pm |
Hello John,
Not quite. AGM batteries are still lead-acid. It is just that the electrolyte (acid) is absorbed into glass mats which are between the lead plates, thus AGM. They do take a little different charging profile from flooded lead-acid batteries though. One charger I have as settings for flooded, AGM, and Gel batteries. All these are lead-acid.
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john in idaho
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 12 Jan 2022 at 11:00am |
Not to confuse things, but I read somewhere that one should not charge AGM batteries with chargers for Lead- Acid batteries. Could that be part of the problem?
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jato
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 12 Jan 2022 at 10:56am |
You are correct. Try testing your batteries with shore power off (or as you plan with the battery disconnect on) and then for the next few days check your batteries at the same time and see how much voltage drop there is. That will tell a lot as far as the integrity of said batteries and if they have the ability to hold charge.
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