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    Posted: 04 Dec 2022 at 12:43pm
It's the axle imposing stress on the frame at that point. Well understood effect of torsion axles. You can see a finite element analysis showing the high stress location here:

https://mechanicalelements.com/trailer-axle-springs-torsion-axle/
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Thanks for the reply, however the frame has a 3 inch crack horizontally at the point where it attaches to the axel. Also at that point there is a buckling of the steel going vertical the length of the frame at the same spot.. The axel was definitely undersized and that was replaced after it was found to be broken 1 year ago. The crack above the door appeared as the frame started cracking and buckling. The crack is definitely from the frame cracking and downward movement and Forest River has seen this before. There is presently over 40 units waiting to be brought back to the factory for repairs. Who is paying for this, I do not know but Lippert in involved.
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I have heard of the cracks on the outer and inner walls from several people. The cracks predominately happen over the door, in the top left corner. Although your case may be different, It's possible the cracking has nothing to do with the axle.  If you look at the crack, it might be apparent that it was caused by "upward" force. The culprit being the stabilizer jacks. The door opening in the rear leaves a very thin strip between the door, and the rear of the camper. The stabilizer is able to put quite a bit of force lifting the back end of the camper with (for lack of a better term) a "hinging" effect. The rear corner being supported only at the top of the door. I noticed that on mine, the rear passenger area was easy to actually lift that corner with minimal effort. There was plenty of support for downward force, but virtually none for upward force. 
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   I finished installing the new leaf springs the springs now have a nice arch and I guess it may have raised the camper about 1 1/2 inches. I feel a lot safer now that the springs will not break and have more clearance for the wheels around the wheel wells it was money well spent. Would like to add the Unijack we just bought worked great and I think it would be a good jack for a r-pod or any small camper.
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+1. In the meantime you can import foreign manufactured  vehicles if they're over 25 years old without them meeting federal standards. Beware your state requirements though. The Japanese ones I'm looking at are very practically designed, fiberglass coach work,  high on quality and low on unnecessary frills. They also tend to be well maintained and have low odometer readings. Very robust 4wd diesel truck chassis, don't think bent frames and axles are a problem. But they won't win any races for sure. Don't know about importing towables. 

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Just as happened with the automotive industry, when foreign competitors entered the market with better quality vehicles at lower prices, if we ever get foreign competition coming into our market place, we may see some significant improvement in quality.  Some of the Canadian trailer companies are putting out some very nice products, but they are still on the upper end of the price scale.  When I was in Spain a few  years ago I looked at the offerings there and the build quality was noticeably better and the prices were competitive for under 25' travel trailers.  
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Well, look at it this way. Upgrading leaf springs is cheap and simple and they're easy on the trailer frame. Often you can just add a leaf to an existing spring, not sure if that's possible on Lippert springs. If  that's all that's needed to get an inexpensive trailer to survive reasonable usage then I'd go for it. But unfortunately you still have the cabin integrity issues (water leaks and joints coming apart)...
 

So I do think the two piece fiberglass RVs (either trailers or motorized) are going to result in a better long termownership experience. That's where I'm heading, in my case motorized this time. I'm looking at old 1980s Toyota mini motorhomes with fiberglas cabins. But I'd have to find a rust free unit, rust was a big problem in vehicles of that vintage. The other options are Chinooks and Xplorers on Ford, Chevy, or Dodge chassis, and Casita or Scamp on the towable RV side. And one other option I'm looking at on the motorized side. 1990s Japanese domestic imported micro motorhomes on 4wd diesel light truck chassis. Right hand drive, manual transmissions with 2 speed transfer cases, what could be more fun than that? 
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As sure as the sun rises in the east, we can count on RV manufacturers building nearly everything they offer to absolute minimal standards.  It's all glitter and ting ting to catch the eye of the buyer, but the underlying structure is just barely.  We've had good luck with our leaf springs, but we tend to travel relatively light.  Since laundromats and food shops are mostly available all over the country, we have little need to pack the trailer to the gills.  I'd like to put some shock absorbers on the suspension, but it'd probably void what's left of the Lippert limited axle warranty.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote David and Danette Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Nov 2022 at 4:18pm
   I am in the process of replacing the leaf springs on our Vista 19BFD the factory put 2,000 Lb springs on the axle with a 4,000 lb axle. If you check their website and look at the specifications of a 19BFD the 4,000 Lb leaf springs will not be strong enough and that's why I am replacing them. Broken leaf springs on their Vista and Vintage cruiser trailers were mentioned on Facebook owners forum and upgrading their leaf springs. I am replacing them with 2,500 lb leaf springs the factory 2,000 lb leaf springs were nearly flat from not being able to support the weight within the factory specifications. My experience with owning two FR campers and one Gulf Stream camper they are built with minimum quality and my own opinion they are built for looks not reliability. I agree with offgrid buy a used camper and do not buy new and hopefully the previous owner will have made most of the necessary repairs and upgrades.
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LA, great write up. I'd only add that Lippert would very likely go beyond the 4 corners of it's written warranty if FR asked, they have to be one of Lipperts largest sales accounts. IOW, if there was a gray area if responsibility between the two companies, FR would very likely win that battle without having to fire much of a shot. That doesn't help the end customer  we have zero leverage with either company.

As to your other question, without doubt Lippert and FR's engineering staff collaborate closely during the trailer design process, and if FR needs a new design from Lippert, they will get it. For example, I was told by Lippert that the part number on my 179s axle indicated that it was specifically built for that trailer, not generic at all. 

 
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