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James07
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Topic: LT vs ST tires Posted: 06 Apr 2024 at 11:18pm |
My 2015 R-178 Hood River came with LT tires from factory. Anyone know why the factory used LT tires instead of ST tires ?? This will be my second set of replacement and thinking about going to ST tires. Any advantage or disadvantage going to ST tires ?? Mostly highway use.
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lostagain
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 07 Apr 2024 at 6:34am |
My speculation is that they used LT tires with aggressive mud/snow tread for marketing reasons; to make the trailer look like you could take it anywhere. The problem with LT tires is that they have more flexible side walls than ST tires, allowing more trailer sway. The reason for more flexible side walls it to provide a more comfortable ride in a passenger vehicle and more cornering stability. That flexion is not helpful with a trailer. There really isn't any off road advantage to the LT tires. Since the trailer isn't pushing the TV in slippery mud or dirt, any additional traction provided by LT tires with aggressive mud/snow tread is not really advantageous. If you are going so fast that the trailer is sliding in the curves, then the better choice may be to slow down some and allow the trailer to track easily behind the TV. I suppose in some snow the tires might perform a little better with braking, but once it gets icy, that advantage is minimal compared to the traction gain with chains.
ST tires have really stiff sidewalls that give more ride stability, especially in the wind. ST tires roll more smoothly with less tread squirm resistance and the tread deflects water well avoiding hydroplaning and giving a much more stable tracking behind the TV. Additionally, the smooth low resistance rolling will give better gas mileage, since the TV doesn't have to work as hard to overcome the rolling resistance of the more squishy and tread squirming LT tire.
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Fred & Maria Kearney Sonoma 167RB Our Pod 172 2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost |
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GlueGuy
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 07 Apr 2024 at 9:39am |
I agree with everything LA says here. I will add that LT tires "might" be cheaper than ST because they're made in higher quantities.
Given a choice, I would choose ST tires.
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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River 2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost |
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James07
Newbie Joined: 19 Feb 2020 Location: Sacramento Online Status: Offline Posts: 24 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 07 Apr 2024 at 12:06pm |
Really good information. Thanks. I noticed that at our Northern California pod feast, most of the campers had ST tires. Mostly Goodyear Endurance. Some of the newer R-pods still have the LT tires.
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gpokluda
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 08 Apr 2024 at 8:27am |
I'll be the dissenting voice on this thread. I did a lot of research on ST vs LT tires when I put new tires on our 179. Your options for the OEM 235 tires on the Rpod are limited in the ST category and I wanted to stay with that size. After consulting several tire shops that were well versed in RV and camper tires, I went with 10ply LT tires. LTs are run on premium campers such as Airstreams. If and ST tire exists in the size you are looking for, I'd go with that. FWIW, I went with Falken Wild Peak AT4 10ply.
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Gpokluda
2017 Rpod 179(sold 2023) 2022 Escape 5.0TA 2022 Ford F150 4X4 3.5EB Kawasaki KLR650 |
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lostagain
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 08 Apr 2024 at 10:50am |
Some things to think about when considering LT vs. ST tires: When an LT radial tires is rated as "10 ply" it doesn't necessarily mean that there are 10 plies in the sidewall. They have an E load range capacity for use in a light truck, thus the "10 ply rating." The sidewall flexibility is designed for the cornering needs of a light truck. The higher the aspect ration is on a tire the more it flexes when subjected to lateral loads as in a high wind or a curve. For use in a trailer one might consider using with an LT tire as low an aspect ration as possible. ST tires are built from different and stronger components than an LT tire. Here is an interesting comparison: https://blog.coach-net.com/2021/03/03/st-vs-lt-tires-whats-the-difference/#:~:text=Because%20of%20the%20heavier%20construction,resist%20aging%20and%20UV%20rays.
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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney Sonoma 167RB Our Pod 172 2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost |
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john in idaho
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 20 Apr 2024 at 9:28am |
I put load range E tires on my 179. Would not go back. Much higher safety limits, no constant small sway in the mirrors, and no "squish" in the side walls (in the mirror) going over bumps such as the transition between road surface and bridge deck. Was concerned that the 80lb pressure would make there trailer bounce and rattle but that just isn't a problem. It just tows better.
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jato
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 21 Apr 2024 at 7:50pm |
The original tires on our 177 were load range 'C'. After 6 years they were changed out to Carlisle Radial Trail load range 'D'. Both were ST flavor. A world of difference in windy conditions as well a tracking down the highway, the 'D' was far superior in both aspects.
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God's pod
'11 model 177 '17 Ford F-150 4WD 3.5 Ecoboost Jim and Diane by beautiful Torch Lake "...and you will know the Truth and the Truth will set you free." |
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Pod People
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 21 Apr 2024 at 7:57pm |
We have had 2different R pods over the past 13 years and have gone through a lot of tires in the past.
We have had LTand ST models- China bombs and top name brands alike. Once we tried Goodyear Endurance about 5 years ago, we have had no issues and are just about to replace them due to age. They never lose air, have long tread life and have noticeably stiffer sidewalls and weigh more than other comparable size tires.They are competively priced and available in 235/14 I have no problems recommending them and will continue to personally use them Vann
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James07
Newbie Joined: 19 Feb 2020 Location: Sacramento Online Status: Offline Posts: 24 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 22 Apr 2024 at 1:42pm |
So, I learned that I've been running 6 ply (load range C) Toyo Open Country AT light truck tires on my pod. Have been trouble free, including a round trip to Alaska over the pot holes on the Alcan.
However, with the info you all have posted, will be going with Carlisle Radial Trial or Goodyear Endurance both load range E special trailer tires. Carlisle $135 and Goodyear $199 at Discount Tires. Big difference in price.
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