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    Posted: 30 Jan 2015 at 8:54pm
Hi Guys, we're looking to get our R-Pod in the next few weeks. We're going to get a 176t. This will be our first trailer. Most of the camping we'll be doing will be without hookups (water/electricity).

I'm not sure what I can expect regarding electricity and the use of any appliances without hookups. Can anyone give me advice on what I'll need to prepare the R-Pod for that type of camping?

Some specific questions: would a solar panel allow me to use the A/C? How many batteries do I need?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jan 2015 at 10:06pm
Congratulations on your new 176t!

No A/C on battery power. Generally you can do lights, 12v water pump, and radio for sure. Maybe 12v HDTV with DVD if you're careful to watch power consumption. 

I think standby battery power may even provide the electric spark needed to start the propane mode and use for the Water heater, Dometic Fridge, and Suburban 20,000 BTU Heater, and of course you will be able to use the gas burners next to the sink to cook with. 

So really, just about everything you need, except for A/C, Electric Hot Water Mode, and No Microwave Oven. 

Can somebody tell me if the Fantastic fan is on the 12v circuit? I sure hope so.

For safety reasons you should never tow with a completely dead battery because it is the battery that provides emergency braking of the POD electric brakes should the trailer de-couple from the tow vehicle. 

A lot of folks that dry camp add a second battery, and another propane tank. You may not have to do this to get started if you're only camping for 2 or 3 days. 

Here is a handy calculator that you can use to figure battery and solar panel size based on your estimated power requirements and available sunlight. 

Use the "off grid" section.


If you want A/C off the grid you will have to invest in a good generator system. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Jan 2015 at 12:05am
Fantastic fan is 12v.

There is no practical way to use the 120v  stuff off grid. Someday, when our understanding of physics advances far enough.. maybe. But for now, "off grid" means just that, no grid power. You give up the a/c, and the microwave, and depending on pod model, the entertainment system. You can use a generator to "get them back".. but that is it's own can of worms, so to speak.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Jan 2015 at 2:42am
In addition to what's been said, it depends on usage, but one 12v battery will only get you by for 2 or 3 days without some kind of recharging unless you are almost fanatical about not using battery power.  Even two heavy duty 6v batteries in series won't last a week unless you are very conservative with your lights, water pump, etc.  Speaking of lights, if you haven't replaced your interior lights with LEDs, doing so will help considerably for boondocking.  I can't talk about the technicalities like Techntrek, who will likely chime in, but you don't want to let your battery get too low or it can permanently damage it, aside from leaving you in the dark with no running water.

I dry camp a lot and my solution to keeping the battery charged is a generator.  Depending on the situation, I'll leave my generator running all day just to charge the battery.  I have one of the Yamaha 2400w gennies.  It will run the air con and everything else, but not necessarily at the same time.

  As said, generators are their own can of worms.  Just a few of the issues are the expense and which one to get, which involves deciding how much you want to pay for a relatively low noise level and for reliability.  Then how are you going to haul it around?  Will you need to lift and move it from its transport location to its campground location?  (They aren't light.)  How are you going to keep it secure in the campground and in or on the tow vehicle?  You have to haul extra fuel for the genny.  There are generator hours and location restrictions in most campgrounds.  Even the quietest generators make noise that even you as the user may not find pleasant.

The 120v system and the 12v systems don't overlap, although the fridge and water heater work on either.  I guess the only other overlap is the built-in battery charger/minder that charges the battery whenever you have shore or generator power.

Yes, the vent fan does work on 12v.

No amount of solar power is going to let you run the air con or anything that only runs on 120v.  No practical amount.  If you camp a lot on the beach or in the desert and don't want or can't find shade, a decent amount of solar can keep your battery charged.  For the majority of my camping, I'm under the trees and wouldn't get enough sun anyway so solar hasn't been an option.  It also has transportation and security issues.

You can get a little inverter to convert 12v to 120v to run the TV or a CPAP device.  Those things suck the juice out of your battery though and I wouldn't recommend them for boondocking without a plan on how to recharge the battery on a daily basis.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Jan 2015 at 6:55am
We dry camp for 3-4 days at a time. We have two batteries for a total of 185aH (group 30 and group 24). LED lights  were a HUGE savings. They were our single largest use of electricity. 12v cpap machine runs every night. Fantastic fan uses very little as one of our esteemed electrical gurus reported. Furnace uses a lot of juice. If you have to use it, you'll shorten your trip unless you recharge.

Lots of info on the site about recharging possibilities including jumper cables and generators. We camp in the northeast where it's cool and don't need AC so we we haven't seen the need to lug around a generator. Solar will give you a slight recharge but won't be a total answer. See calculators others have supplied.

And last of all - DO NOT RUN YOUR REFRIGERATOR ON 12v.

Dry camping is very do-able with the r-pod. Start with 2-3 day trips and see how it goes.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Jan 2015 at 7:06am
Welcome to the group! Congrats on your 176!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Jan 2015 at 9:09am
Here's my experience with battery use .  I do not have  solar panel, I do not take a generator with me. I have run down the battery to dead on one occasion for a three day weekend (FURNACE!!! and Incandescent Lights). At the time , I had only one battery, I now have 2. 

More recently, I have gone 3 nights, 4 days, using only battery power (2 x 12VDC deep cycle batteries in parallel). Used the furnace on 2 of those nights. The furnace is the biggest 12 volt power user. I have all LED lights on my Pod now, so use from those is minimal. The refrigerator is very low power usage when running propane, just the control board.  When I was done camping my batteries read 11.4 volts.

You "can" run the microwave if you install a DC-AC power inverter of more than 1500 watts. BUT this will really use a lot of power, even for a few minutes. I have a small 200 watt inverter for powering the LCD TV (22 watts), also used for charging my cell phone (usb charge port built into it). I unplug the TV and shut off the inverter when not using it.

 There is no 120 VAC unless using a generator (2500+ watts for A/C, 2000 watts for Microwave only typical, and charging battery)

Get a second battery , use a 4 position marine grade battery switch ( Battery 1, Battery 2, Battery 1+2, OFF ) Run the batteries in parallel when using them.

Get LED Lights, get rid of the little incandescent bulbs if your pod comes with them they are huge power eaters at night.

The furnace eats through battery power running the fan. I wish there was a more efficient way to heat the camper in sub 40 degree weather (it happens in Northern Vermont in Spring and Fall). I am looking into adapting the propane water heater to get a hydronic hot water loop running under the mattress. Still investigating this. It's been doen before, I'm not sure it's worth the effort or what the result would be like.

Solar can replace some of the power used , depends on how much you actually use the 12V system.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Jan 2015 at 9:25am
Originally posted by Wilde

Hi Guys, we're looking to get our R-Pod in the next few weeks.

How many batteries do I need?


A tip when you negotiate the deal. The normally supplied battery is a single 12V Group24 battey and it is really inadequate for any dry camping. The battery is a dealer installed item and should be subject to negotiation. The preferred substitute is two 6 volt GC2 golf cart batteries wired in series. This will give you almost three times the original battery capacity; much more than adding a second Gp24 battery in parallel. Do your homework. You should expect some price credit for the single Gp 24 since it was included in the original price.

And, as stated above, the single biggest thing you can do to improve 12V capability, after you've  installed the dual 6V configuration, is the replacement of the interior bulbs with LEDs.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Jan 2015 at 10:04am
We do a lot of dry camping in national parks & forests.I have a Honda 2000 gen. for recharge of the battery. Even though it is quite for a gen. l still don't enjoy hearing it. It is definitely less annoying to other campers. I try to consolidate all our major uses( showers, making coffee, microwave, etc ) during the charging/gen. use. You shouldn't have to use generator for more than two hours at a time to get a full charge. Push comes to shove with careful use we can get two days out of a single battery before it reaches the minimal 12 volts to run the Fridge's control panel on gas. In a pinch you can start you car and plug in trailer light hook- up , but it will take a while to get a full (2hrs) charge. Once hook- up to trailer , you cars charging system should charge the trailer battery while towing or when running.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Jan 2015 at 1:20pm
Okay. Good info. Especially the battery advice. Thanks!
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