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    Posted: 18 Sep 2016 at 5:08pm
Originally posted by dlbrownmac

I have the 2014 Prerunner V6 with Tow package. How much was the supercharger?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Sep 2016 at 6:27pm
Originally posted by dlbrownmac

I have the 2014 Prerunner V6 with Tow package. How much was the supercharger?

As I recall the SC was about $7,000 installed. I bought the SC from Toyota OEM Part World and the local Toyota dealer installed it. The entire installation was then covered under the 3YR warranty. HOWEVER, 2013 was the last year Toyota would install and guarantee the SC. I had signed and put the deposit on a new 2014, then found out Toyota wouldn't install the SC, although the local manager assured me they would. I had to point out to the local manager he had no control over Toyota corporate. So I got a new end of year 2013. That said, the 2014 engine is identical to the 2013 so the SC should fit, but Toyota will not install and warrant it. Maybe a good third party shop would. The SC itself was around $4500. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Sep 2016 at 1:00pm
Just joined the forum, we're starting to look into an R Pod.  I've towed several different camper and car haulers over the years.    I like long wheel bases in the tow vehicle, weight distributing hitches and sway control are wonderful.  The tail should not wag the dog.   

One thing I didn't notice anyone bring up, is that when figuring how much you can tow, you have to look at the Gross Combined Weight capacity of the tow vehicle.  How much "cargo" including people are you putting in your tow vehicle?  Mom, Dad, 2 college age kids and a St Bernard, a Canoe on the roof and 2 coolers full of ice and yummy bevearges?   It all counts.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Sep 2016 at 1:53pm
Welcome.  Good point.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Oct 2016 at 3:24am
Originally posted by techntrek

Originally posted by StephenH

Every time I see the "longer wheelbase is better" argument, I keep thinking about tractor-trailers. They are the exact opposite and yet seem to work okay. I think that having proper tongue weight and proper equalization and sway control is more important than wheelbase in towing stability and resistance to sway.

A tractor's wheelbase is in the neighborhood of 200-280 inches (with big sleeper cabs).  My Suburban is fairly long for a non-commercial vehicle at 130 inches but the biggest pickups are over 230 inches.

5th wheels put the pivot point directly over the axle so sway is impossible.  See my discussion on this in my signature link.

Your observation brings up a good point. While overall wheelbase is important, the distance between tow ball and tow vehicle real wheels is a factor. The smaller distance tow ball to TV rear wheels the less leverage the trailer has to induce sway. Some of the SUVs have the rear wheels set relatively far back toward the tow ball, which is a good thing.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Oct 2016 at 10:13am
Originally posted by Rustler

Your observation brings up a good point. While overall wheelbase is important, the distance between tow ball and tow vehicle real wheels is a factor. The smaller distance tow ball to TV rear wheels the less leverage the trailer has to induce sway. Some of the SUVs have the rear wheels set relatively far back toward the tow ball, which is a good thing.

That is what I was saying also. For my Escape, the distance between the rear axle and the tow ball is about 3'. On larger vehicles, that distance might be more than twice the distance with the corresponding increase in leverage. That is why I feel quite safe and why I have not experienced any significant sway over about 10,000 miles of towing with the Escape. I feel a gentle nudge when passed by tractor trailers, but nothing significant. For me, it is a good thing to feel it as I had a stroke which took away part of my peripheral vision on the left. The nudge lets me know something is there and to check my mirrors again. Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Oct 2016 at 1:02pm
Now that you mention it - I noticed a little sway when I put a longer stinger on the ball so I could open the tailgate.  I hadn't noticed it before, but then the trailer was fairly new then.  I still plan to put an Andersen hitch on this winter.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Oct 2016 at 3:22pm
The operative factor here is the ratio of vehicle wheelbase divided by hitch ball distance to the rear axle If D is the distance from the ball to the rear axle, this ratio is WB/D. The larger this ratio the less steering by the trailer and the less sway. As D approaches zero the ratio gets very large like on a fifth wheel or tractor/trailer rig. 
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