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    Posted: 13 Jan 2017 at 5:50am
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Well put Brad.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Jan 2017 at 2:26pm
I appreciated David's "old school" perspective on towing. Wisdom there. Agree, that it's always ideal to have an over-capacity in towing capability despite the modest weight of our typically stocked-up Pod. And, I agree that, in a perfect world, the V-8 is ideal; with diesel being the ultimate.

One thing that I'd add to this thread, is that with many R-Podders, they started with an existing vehicle, or have aimed for one that tows securely, but once unhitched, is easy to live with around town or for trips "to grandma's house" etc. (Plus, the other common drivers may be a wife, daughter or young son).

I'm also thinking that those of us who have skipped the "max-output" full-sized truck V-8s (capable of towing 10K) need something with more cross-purpose: not too long a wheelbase, nor anything that would consume a lot of fuel when not towing.

Still, we went with a Tundra V-8. But, if we had picked the highly-chosen (5.7) V-8 to power it, we could have reached that Holy Grail tow rating of 10,000 lbs. Instead, I sought the smaller (4.6) V-8 with tow-package. That stepped us back to 8,500 lbs. towing cap, but kept the original max tongue weight.

The 4.6 comes with its own specific transmission, so when we're unhitched, the 6-speed auto drops into a lower r.p.m. final gear, so without trailer, we can run along a mostly level highway keeping at around 20 m.p.g. (instead of never exceeding 17 unladen with the bigger 5.7 engine). Still remain very happy with this 2nd level V-8 in all conditions. I don't have experience with the other full-sized brands yet.

Now honestly, 20 m.p.g. HWY is really not something to celebrate as far as the newest full-sized trucks go, but I'm good with our comfortable over-capacity on R-Pod, at 8500#. Also, happy to bypass the commonly-preferred Tundra 5.7 V-8 with it's (non-towing) HWY 17 m.p.g. "best." Not a huge difference, 20 vs. 17, but the difference starts to mount on a long trek without the R-Pod behind. (While towing, I think the difference is 10+ vs. 13+ m.p.g.)

Sacrifices with a full-sized truck? For us, that's Tundra's 1) stiffer ride (newer Detroit 3 trucks have improved ride characteristics)
2) poorer (non-towing) fuel economy compared to a SUV or compact truck thats not towing.
3) LONG truck wheelbases: harder for maneuvering around town (back-up cam helps) and though it's a big truck, my wife drives effortlessly on the freeway, ....she just doesn't like parking it in any constrained parking lot around home.

So... when our current truck needs to be replaced (or gets rubbed out in a road event), should we survive (LOL) I might look seriously at the best of the compact truck offerings, shooting for a towing wt. rating of 6500 to 7500#s. Or needs could change, and would look at a strong Sportwagen or SUV with around 55-6500#s capacity. I know that a lot of us have been towing fine with a hardy SUV and sidestepping the drawbacks of living with a full-sized truck.

But for now, we're doing ok.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Jan 2017 at 7:43pm
Excellent, Ron and Sharon! Thanks!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Jan 2017 at 7:42pm
This URL will take you to an excellent page with a calculator and some explanations of towing capacity.

http://changingears.com/rv-sec-calc-trailer-weight-tt.shtml

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Jan 2017 at 7:37pm
Thanks everyone! Very helpful.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Jan 2017 at 7:17pm
I think 80% is a good figure, hard to put 500-700 pounds of stuff in an R-Pod. I have hoses, filters, some tools, grill, kitchen supplies, bedding and clothes basically. I carry heavy items in bed of truck (coolers, water, more tools). I use truck space to haul the needed items for trip vice the norm stuff I need for TT. Constantly looking at what is in Pod and eliminating the stuff I never used. I like being prepared. I have an extra fresh water hose and a couple of different sewer lines, extension cords. Mostly small light weight stuff. The stuff I don't want to remove after every trip. I try to balance front to rear and side to side, really about common sense.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Jan 2017 at 6:38pm
I purched a new t.v. because i felt it might be to dangerous. i had a 3000 pound tow capacity vehicle, and my rp172 weighs 2200 empty. The numbers work if you keep the cargo below 500- 700, doable but i would be maxed out. I purchased a nissan frontier with 6100 tow capacity. Now i will have peace of mind. Like anything, it all doesnt matter till theres a problem. Get in an accident, and be found to be anywhere near tow capacity, and you can count on a serious lawsuit, and or criminal charge, especially if someone gets hurt. so not worth it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Jan 2017 at 6:12pm
I think the 80% rule is pretty reasonable.  When you're at towing capacity you are at the limit of safety.  Some people will argue that the engineers who come up with towing capacity limits throw in an X% tolerance on the high side.  That may be true, but it doesn't count legally if you have an accident.  But aside from that, if you're any kind of intelligent, reasonable person, in my opinion, of course, peace of mind is on an inverse curve to trailer weight compared to towing capacity.  As you close in on reaching the limit or going over it your need to pay attention to every little thing and your anxiety level is going to go way up.

It's the kind of thing I'd do as a one-off, short trip thing, but not as a long term solution.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Jan 2017 at 4:31pm
birderdiane526 , As long as everything is correct (4Runner Payload 1255-1295 lbs depending on 2wd-4wd and model) you should be plenty saf. You have to subtract the weight in the 4Runner from the payload capacity, then the tongue weight from the payload capacity. Don't exceed 12XX lbs interior payload capacity(people, cargo, tongue weight).

 If you tow max trailer weight assume 10% tongue is safe (can't find max tongue on the 4Runner receiver, but it might be 500lbs because the stock receiver is a rear cross member mounted one, not a frame mounted one.) Frame mounted OE receiver (was available for the V8 and can be mounted to the V6) has higher tongue capacity, but the tow capacity weight would be the same.

 If you go to the MAX, your 5 speed will become a 4 speed. Forget about using 5th. It won't happen even at 55 mph. It will CONSTANTLY hunt 4th-5th if you try. Leave it in 4th and accept how it behaves. You will never break any 0-55 mph speed records towing 5000 pounds. It will take a solid 20+ seconds to get to highway speeds when near max tow capacity. 

 I know these things because I had a 2003 4runner V6 (4 speed). It did not like a 2013 Starcraft 17RD, and it also did not like the 2013 177 R-Pod. 3rd gear was the norm, MAX speed was 65 mph on the flat at about 3000 rpm...period...Or if trying for 70 mph, wringing the engine out to near 3500-4000 rpm all the time.

 After 12 months of small trailer ownership and about ten 480 mile round trips, I realized I needed better, and stepped up to a diesel. No reasonable comparison between my soft roader VW Touareg TDI and the off road designed 4Runner. I loved my 4Runner (10 years, I bought it new) but it was NOT a good tow vehicle, and it was NOT fuel efficient under any circumstances. No regrets. Even VW dieselgate won't really hurt me. It's sad about the whole dieselgate scandal, but VW deserves an EPA boot up it's ass for the lying.
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