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    Posted: 06 Aug 2011 at 5:42pm
Thank you all for your helpful comments.  You, and your responses, are reflective of the way I ended my original post.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Aug 2011 at 9:18pm
We never use the heater in our 177.  Use an electric hater that keeps the pod toasty
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Aug 2011 at 1:06pm
Originally posted by David

Yes, the furnace is quite loud.  When camping with no hook ups, it drains the battery quickly, also.


How quickly does it drain the battery?  I ask this question because in October, I am going dry camping in VA where there will be no hook-ups.  I will be using the furnace at night to stay warm.  I do have two batteries running in parallel.  I will be bringing one Yamaha genny which I will plug into the pod and charge the pod for about 2 to 3 hours each day.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it unwise to let the battery bank drain more than 25% before plugging it in to recharge (that is to say, less than the 75% total battery bank charge)?  I say unwise, because it may lessen the life of the battery.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Aug 2011 at 4:34pm
The rule of thumb is to not go below 50% depth-of-discharge most of the time, but an occasional dip as far as 70% DOD is ok.  Never go below 70%.
 
Batteries will accept the biggest charge during their "bulk" stage, slurping down the amps in just an hour or so, which takes you up to 20% DOD.  When charging from a generator usually you only want to get to this point.  Trying to get through the "absorbtion" stage to get to the final "float" stage will take many, many more hours and is a waste of fuel.  If your trip is less than a week long, shoot for a bulk charge every other day or every 3rd day (depending on your current DOD), then do a full charge at home.  If you'll be out more than a week you should try to get it above 10% DOD at least once a week to prevent damage.
 
This is an excellent FAQ which explains all you want to know about lead acid batteries:  http://www.windsun.com/Batteries/Battery_FAQ.htm
 
To find your DOD let the battery sit for a few hours - no charging or loads - then take a voltage reading.  Look at the chart in that FAQ to find your State of Charge (SOC is exactly opposite DOD, so 70% DOD = 30% SOC).
 
Sorry I don't know how many amps the furnace uses, a quick look online said anywhere from 4 to 11 amps while running, figure on a 50% duty cycle so anywhere from 2 to 5.5 amps-hour.  I took a lot of measurements of energy useage of things in the 'pod and didn't check the furnace fan (http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1723&PID=14737&title=creating-an-instruction-maintanence-manual#14737)
 
Since you have two batteries in parallel you'll experience something called the Peukert Effect.  Bottom line, two lead acid batteries in parallel have more energy than two of them used separately.  If your batteries are rated at 100 amps @ 20 hours, two of them is 200 amps total, or 100 amps if you only go to 50% DOD.  However, in reality you'll get slightly more than 100 amps.  Maybe 110 or 115.  Here is a good link with explanations of the Peukert Effect, and a calculator which you can download.  http://www.smartgauge.co.uk/technical1.html
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Aug 2011 at 6:00pm
HA!  I'll be in VA mid-October also (Shenandoah).  Smile
 
A lot depends on your usage and strategy.  Techntrek has covered the technical aspects well, as usual.
I have yet to have trouble getting 3 days out of the batteries.  However, I use the furnace very little - usually just when taking a shower.  The Pod is well insulated and the temps in that region aren't too bad that time of year (the locals may want to chime in with details).
 
I like it to be a little cool.  I use a sleeping bag as a comforter and don't mind sleeping in sweats, if it is particularly cool.  It all depends on what you are comfortable with.
 
I agree, doing a "bulk" charge every 2-3 days would likely be fine.   
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Aug 2011 at 7:48pm
I am confused about some of the comments made about refrigerators in this thread.  Several mentions were made about the refrigerator 'compressor'.  I have assumed that all of the Pods have 'evaporative' type refrigerators, which don't have moving parts...just a loop system of liquid/gases.
They only require a heat source to run.  Am I wrong about this?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Aug 2011 at 9:36pm
You are correct, they are based on the ammonia-based absorption cycle, no compressor.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Aug 2011 at 9:42am
In reference to the furnace question, we use the furnace a lot to help dry out the pod.  In our 152 our heads are directly over the furnace but somehow the lower bunk in where is sounds the loudest.

I have a few other questions about what type of electric heaters everyone is using but I'll start another thread on heaters so it'll be easier to search in the future :)

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