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offgrid
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Topic: 176 dual battery install - second opinion Posted: 23 Feb 2021 at 9:40am |
Glass jar cells were common in the late 19th and early 20th century. Pre-plastic days, glass was and is a great dielectric (non conductive) and tolerates corrosive acid and alkaline electrolytes. A lot of the Edison nickel-iron cells were in glass jars, as were early lead acid cells. You are right that they were mostly used in stationary applications like railroad signals and telecom, both of which are dc. Not sure if they were used in early automotive applications or not. I know Edison originally wanted to sell them for use in the early electric cars which were more popular than gas cars, but by the time he had them in volume production Ford had perfected the gasoline car and the rest is history.
Those old Edison cells lasted forever. Exude bought them out and shut down production in the 1970’s, I guess there was no money to be made making batteries that never needed to be replaced🤔
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Camperisfordrinking
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Posted: 24 Feb 2021 at 7:45am |
Thanks for the responses everyone. Looks like my system will work with a few modifications and I even learned something about glass jar batteries lol
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Posted: 24 Feb 2021 at 10:06am |
This may not be the place for it but what is the purpose or benefit of going with two 6V batteries?
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jato
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Posted: 24 Feb 2021 at 11:01am |
Simple answer - more amp hours. I was going to do this mod quite a few years ago as I know how well built the Trojan 6v batteries are with proper maintenance. We used them in a lot of our golf cart applications on the golf course. However, Yamaha went to a 48 volt system in their cars over 10 years ago and went to using 6 of the 8 volt batteries. However the 6 volt is still very popular and readily available today.
I will probably go that route once my 12v Interstate go 'kerplunk' but they continue to give good service, even after 10 years! I maybe will have to rethink this whole thing, the only negative to the pair of 6 volt batteries is additional weight on the a-frame (tongue). We usually boondock and normally won't sit still in one spot for more than a week. While traveling the batteries get charged again by the onboard converter so it's not like we are running out of power.
When we were in RMNP for 6 days in September night temps were in the 40's and we could get 3 days service per battery before switching to the other. We try to avoid running below 60% S.O.C. or 12.2 volts for maximum longevity.
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offgrid
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Posted: 24 Feb 2021 at 12:36pm |
Jato, I highly doubt you’d get 10 years from the Trojans. The antimony alloy used in the deep cycle batteries allows for heavier cycling at the expense of shorter shelf life and higher water consumption. Since you can’t be cycling your batteries very heavily anyway, or you wouldn’t be getting that kind of lifetime, you might want to stay with what you already are used to and just get two new batteries similar to what you have now. You could leave them both connected on the trailer since you would be getting two new batts at the same time, otherwise keep doing what you’re doing as it seems to be working out well for you.
Just a thought, for most folks boondocking I think the dual 6V golf cart battery approach is probably better because it is more tolerant of cycling.
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jato
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Posted: 24 Feb 2021 at 12:45pm |
Thank you OG. For years I have been planning on the 6v but I wasn't aware of the antimony alloy used in them. I don't even know what they use differently in the 12v !
I know that the 6v Trojan batteries on our fleet of golf carts was good for only 4 years here in northern Michigan vs. the same batteries in Florida would go for 6 years and would be used 12 months a year vs. in Michigan they would only be used for 7 months.
Since you are the 'go to' guy, what is the recommended draw down on 6 volt batteries? I have always gone with the 60% S.O.C. or 12.2v on the 12 volt batteries. Thanks
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Posted: 24 Feb 2021 at 3:24pm |
Originally posted by offgrid
Jato, I highly doubt you’d get 10 years from the Trojans. The antimony alloy used in the deep cycle batteries allows for heavier cycling at the expense of shorter shelf life and higher water consumption. Since you can’t be cycling your batteries very heavily anyway, or you wouldn’t be getting that kind of lifetime, you might want to stay with what you already are used to and just get two new batteries similar to what you have now. You could leave them both connected on the trailer since you would be getting two new batts at the same time, otherwise keep doing what you’re doing as it seems to be working out well for you.
Just a thought, for most folks boondocking I think the dual 6V golf cart battery approach is probably better because it is more tolerant of cycling. |
If I understand this correctly, you are talking difference between dual 12v vs. dual 6v. I just wish for all of us to be certain of which is being spoken of.
I've had 12v's go much further than 10yrs, yet it's the values of which that means something. My 6's have surpassed anything my 12's have ever done. Just my experience and testing (records).
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jato
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Posted: 24 Feb 2021 at 3:58pm |
Yes, sorry I didn't clarify that. I am talking difference between dual 12v vs. duel 6v.
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Posted: 24 Feb 2021 at 4:21pm |
Originally posted by jato
Yes, sorry I didn't clarify that. I am talking difference between dual 12v vs. duel 6v.
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My apologies.. I meant that towards OG and explaining further.
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offgrid
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Posted: 24 Feb 2021 at 7:02pm |
Sorry for not being clear. I’m not talking about 6 vs 12 V specifically, it’s not the voltage itself that makes the batteries different. Its the battery chemistry I’m referring to. It’s just that it’s more likely to find a deep cycle lead antimony battery in a 6V configuration. Read this for more info:
https://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/lead_based_batteriesi
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