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Topic: Towinng with a full tank?
Posted By: K&Jbrown
Subject: Towinng with a full tank?
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2017 at 4:41pm
Hello all,

I am a very new Pod owner, had a PUP for years and decided to upgrade. I know with the PUP I could not pull it with a tank of fresh water. Can I pull the Pod with a full tank? Not going to do it often but I'm heading out next week to break her in on a short trip and the place I go, is dry (state camp ground). your feedback would be appreciated.


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K&Jbrown
2015 Ford F-150 5.0L



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Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2017 at 4:51pm
Sure you will get many opinions. I have a 178, so the FW tanks are at the aft most point and weigh over 300 lbs full. I personally can think of things that I would rather tow that weigh 300 lbs. My POD is effected by sway, if not otherwise corrected when FW tank is full. Adding 300 lbs decreases tongue weight. Others with different locations of the FW tank will see different results. Happy Trails.

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Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."


Posted By: voisj
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2017 at 5:13pm
I've got a 180 and the fresh water tank is way forward (4') of the pods axle. I also tow with an F150 and tow with a full tank to drycamp, and have noticed no difference full or empty. Im sure there is more weight on the hitch but the truck feels the same.

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John&Sue,SLO,CA
2016 180 HRE, 2013 F150 Eco Boost
 


Posted By: K&Jbrown
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2017 at 7:08pm
thank you!!! Cant wait to get rolling. 

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K&Jbrown
2015 Ford F-150 5.0L


Posted By: jato
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2017 at 9:26pm
[QUOTE=voisj]I've got a 180 and the fresh water tank is way forward (4') of the pods axle. I also tow with an F150 and tow with a full tank to drycamp, and have noticed no difference full or empty. Im sure there is more weight on the hitch but the truck feels the same.

On our 177 the tank is behind the axle and since we normally dry camp we leave home with a tank full of our delicious well water, if only going for a 2 day weekend trip we only bring 10 gallons with us.  Either way, like vois, we notice no difference towing whether the tank is full or nearly empty with our Explorer.


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God's pod
'11 model 177
'17 Ford F-150 4WD 3.5 Ecoboost
Jim and Diane by beautiful Torch Lake
"...and you will know the Truth and the Truth will set you free."


Posted By: TheBum
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2017 at 12:19pm
On our 179, the freshwater tank is also far forward of the axle. We've towed with a full tank and had no issues either. Our tow vehicle is a 2012 Toyota Highlander with E2 hitch.


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2017 at 1:22pm
We have a 172 with the FW tank just behind the axle.  Our water at home is very hard and leaves crud in faucets and tanks so I prefer to fill the water tank when I get to a Sierra camp ground with fresh snow runoff water.  I towed the trailer home last weekend with the tank nearly full on roads ranging from curvy steep mountain roads to freeways and it didn't feel any different from when we  were outbound with an empty tank.  We use a E2 WDH and I have to say it really makes the ride more comfortable.  

Next trip out, on this coming Saturday, we're leaving with the tank nearly full because the camp ground where we're going has a problem with contamination in the water system that they're trying to fix.  We'll just pay attention to keeping the load balanced.  But then, we tend to travel very light overall.  


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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2017 at 8:07pm
Your Dacota is big enough that it probably doesn't notice the difference. One of the advantages of having a TV that is spec'ed well above what you actually need.

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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: Kos
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2017 at 8:31pm
I have a 178 and towing it with a Nissan X-terra. The FW placement in the back is very bad for towing. It makes a significant difference towing it with a full or empty FW tank. It tents much more to swaying at higher speed and needs a balanced load on the hitch. I mostly camp of grit and I have to tow often with full tank.
I bought this  unit this year and the placement of the tank and the fact it does have two pipes for emptying the black and gray tank made me almost regret my decision.



Posted By: K&Jbrown
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2017 at 8:44am
I did go and tow with a 3/4 tank of water and it was not too much of an issue. the trailer did push me a round a tiny bit but overall it wasn't bad at all. Thanks for everyone's input. 

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K&Jbrown
2015 Ford F-150 5.0L


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2017 at 10:06am
We tow using a Fastway EZ-2 WDH and don't notice one way or the other any difference between the water tank being full or empty on our 172.  The tank is right behind the axle.

What we do notice is if the tank is full, or the other tanks for that matter, it slows us down a bit on the steep Sierra Nevada grades.e  Then, again, I set the cruise control for 55 most of the time when we're not climbing, and let every else pass me.  Why hurry?  We're out there to be relaxed.


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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: spydie
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2017 at 11:24am
I just brought my new 176 home to NM from AR where I bought it and I had them almost fill the fresh tank before I left, not knowing where I would be each night.  I have a RAM 1500 Quad cab 4X2 with 5.7 hemi and I did not lack for power, but I did notice a little tail wag at times, so I kept tightening the sway bar to help it.  I do not have a WD hitch and don't need one with this truck as it doesn't even notice the tongue weight, but I didn't realize until I got home that the FW tank was behind the axel.  Such a bad design.  They should never have done that on any of their Pods, and why they did it on some and not on others is beyond me.  They use three 30 gallon tanks, all the same physical size between the frame rails and could have arranged them any way they wanted to, so why choose to put the 300 lbs behind the axel?  I was thinking about taking off the spare tire and mounting a small generator to the trailer hitch, but now I'm rethinking that and thinking about getting rid of the spare tire too.  Besides, all your outside storage is also behind the axel so they are really building problem on top of problem with this setup.

I've had 4 Casitas and really loved them, but the R-pod has a lot more standard features for less money, but I'm starting to see some really bad designing in these.  For instance, I have the forward bunk beds.  There's no windows in the bed area at all (so you can crack a window and turn on the ceiling fan and bring in some cooler air to help you sleep).  No ventilation in the sleeping area at all unless you install a fan yourself or are hooked up to electricity so you can run the A/C all night.  And the three windows my 176 does have are all sliding windows, instead of crank-out windows, so you can't leave them open when it's raining!  REALLY?  Who doesn't want some ventilation when it's hot and rainy?  Bad Bad design.




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2018 R-pod 176
2017 RAM 1500 5.7L Hemi


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2017 at 12:27pm
Spydie, we had forward bunks in our 172 with no windows.  We bought the trailer used and didn't really want or need the upper bunk so we took it out, leaving the part by the head as a shelf.  Now we have room for a window on one side, but I'm still thinking of using marine portholes like the one I put in my door.  If you want opening windows in the bunk area, these might be a solution.  They don't come with screens, but you can buy porthole screens at a marine supply or on Amazon.  

You could put in portholes on each side though 2 vertically mounted portholes (one for each bunk) may look a little strange.  But when it comes to comfort, aesthetics are overruled by function.  The porthole we put in the door lets in a surprising amount of air and the screen door keeps the bugs out when both are closed.  








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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: spydie
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2017 at 12:37pm
Originally posted by lostagain

Spydie, we had forward bunks in our 172 with no windows.  We bought the trailer used and didn't really want or need the upper bunk so we took it out, leaving the part by the head as a shelf.  Now we have room for a window on one side, but I'm still thinking of using marine portholes like the one I put in my door.  If you want opening windows in the bunk area, these might be a solution.  They don't come with screens, but you can buy porthole screens at a marine supply or on Amazon.  

You could put in portholes on each side though 2 vertically mounted portholes (one for each bunk) may look a little strange.  But when it comes to comfort, aesthetics are overruled by function.  The porthole we put in the door lets in a surprising amount of air and the screen door keeps the bugs out when both are closed.  

I'd sure like to see a picture of your portals.  Where do you get them?  Do you have a price or a supplier?  Thanks


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2018 R-pod 176
2017 RAM 1500 5.7L Hemi


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2017 at 1:21pm
Here is the Amazon http where I got the porthole I put in my door.  https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01CJK3VKE/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
If you put in portholes, you need to make sure the flange is deep enough to accommodate the wall thickness.  For the door, the flange was perfect and it has been problem free.  My recollection is that the flange is about 2" but that's something you need to check to be sure as the walls are also 2"" thick so your margin of error is not much.  I was able to confirm the door thickness before cutting by removing part of the lock set.  

If you would like to see the door mounted porthole I put in, p.m. me and we can figure out how I can send you a picture.  I still haven't set up a public website picture account which you need to post pictures here.


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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: spydie
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2017 at 1:26pm
Originally posted by lostagain

Here is the Amazon http where I got the porthole I put in my door.  https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01CJK3VKE/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
If you put in portholes, you need to make sure the flange is deep enough to accommodate the wall thickness.  For the door, the flange was perfect and it has been problem free.  My recollection is that the flange is about 2" but that's something you need to check to be sure as the walls are also 2"" thick so your margin of error is not much.  I was able to confirm the door thickness before cutting by removing part of the lock set.  

If you would like to see the door mounted porthole I put in, p.m. me and we can figure out how I can send you a picture.  I still haven't set up a public website picture account which you need to post pictures here.

Thanks for the link.  After looking at it I don't think that's what I want.  I want a crank out window so I can leave it open in the rain (like my Casita and my Pleasure-way Sprinter van RV had).  I'll have to start searching for actual RV windows.  In fact, I'd really like to replace the 3 sliding windows I have with crank-outs also if I can find the exact same size.


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2018 R-pod 176
2017 RAM 1500 5.7L Hemi


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2017 at 7:19pm
spydie, we leave the porthole open all the time, even when stored at home. It stays where you put it.  But id does open up and to the inside.
Best of luck finding what you want.


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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: spydie
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2017 at 7:52pm
I would think it would rain in just like our sliding side windows do when it rains.  The advantage of the sliding windows is they allow more air flow when you have a nice breeze than the crank-up ones do, but the bad part is, you can't go away and leave them open because if it rains, it pours inside.  For now I'm going to put a 12v plug in the bunk areas so we can run a 12v fan on us when we don't have A/C, but that's not nice cooler outside air like a window would provide.  Haven't located a crank-out like I'm looking for yet, and it may never happen.  Forest River was very Remiss in not putting windows in the bed area.  I think they used to because I saw some older Pods with bunk beds and a window at the head of the bed, but I suppose it was a huge cost savings to not have to put two-four more windows in it.

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2018 R-pod 176
2017 RAM 1500 5.7L Hemi


Posted By: Kos
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2017 at 9:34pm
How do the last postings deal with towing?  


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 27 Jul 2017 at 9:34am
Sorry, Kos, just trying to respond to a new person's questions.  



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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: spydie
Date Posted: 27 Jul 2017 at 9:44am
Kos is a newbie... he may be new to forums also.  He needs to understand that nearly all threads that are started on forums can take a turn.  Discussions in general, just like when you are talking to people face-to-face, almost always sway with the conversation.  That's what makes us human.  You start off talking about one thing, then something you say elicits a response that's off the original topic.  There's no rule or law that says you can't use the original topic to ask or respond to other things that are said.  No apology necessary.  Thanks for your help.

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2018 R-pod 176
2017 RAM 1500 5.7L Hemi


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 27 Jul 2017 at 9:49am
yes, most podders tend to color outside the lines.  That's why we're podders.

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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: Kos
Date Posted: 28 Jul 2017 at 10:24am
I call it kidnapping a thread. SmileI suggest to open a new thread for this discussion.

Back to  the original issue.
I do not like the placement of the freshwater tank at all. It makes a real difference towing the Pod with an full or empty tank. I have no idea why they placed it behind of the axle.


Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 28 Jul 2017 at 5:17pm
+1 Kos - noticeable difference in my 178.

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Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."


Posted By: geewizard
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2017 at 9:30am
+2.  Very noticeable in my 177.

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2021 Winnebago Micro Minnie 1708FB
2017 R-Pod 177 (Blue) HRE SOLD
2004 Outfitter Apex 8 camper
2014 Toyota Tundra DC


Posted By: barbnphil
Date Posted: 30 Jul 2017 at 4:36pm
As I said several times, I have never camped in a travel trailer and I'm new to Rpoding.  

(Speaking about the freshwater thank and travelling with a full, partially full or empty fresh water tank.)

I would prefer to travel with an empty fresh water tank.

I see the fresh water drain and the white cap. I tried to open it with bear hands; however, I didn't want force it buy using a plyer.  Is it a press and turn or what.

I did my best to search the forum, google, and youtube.

Please forgive my ignorance.  Help!



  


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Phil and Barbara
New 2017.5 RPod Owner
2004 Titan
New to Poding and Camping


Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 30 Jul 2017 at 5:04pm
It is a 1/2" NPT cap. OK to loosen with pliers. Doesn't need to be that tight. I replaced mine with a 1/2" NPT valve I got from Lowes. No more taking the cap off, just move the valve to drain. The members who talk most about towing are those that have a rear mounted FW tank, not sure what you have. I have a 178.

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Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."


Posted By: Keith-N-Dar
Date Posted: 30 Jul 2017 at 6:28pm
And many have marginal tow vehicles.  If you are near or over the recommended vehicle e\weight then don't tow with a full tank.  I have plenty of headroom and have towed on a number of occasions with a full tank with no noticeable effect.

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Keith-N-Dar
Boris & Betty (Boston Terriers)
2011 R-Pod 177
2010 Ford F-150


Posted By: barbnphil
Date Posted: 30 Jul 2017 at 7:19pm
I have a 180, 2017.5.  I have a Centerline WDH.  Have only pulled it once with my 2004 Titan.

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Phil and Barbara
New 2017.5 RPod Owner
2004 Titan
New to Poding and Camping


Posted By: Kos
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2017 at 11:17am
Originally posted by Keith-N-Dar

And many have marginal tow vehicles.  If you are near or over the recommended vehicle e\weight then don't tow with a full tank.  I have plenty of headroom and have towed on a number of occasions with a full tank with no noticeable effect.


I wouldn't call 5000# marginal. And why buying a "light" trailer when you need a truck to pull it. I have to tow the trailer with a full freshwater tank because I'm camping off-grid. Pulling it with empty freshwater tank but full gray- and blackwater tank is a breeze.

The question I have is why did Forrest River put the freshwater tank behind the axle?



Posted By: PilotPodder
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2017 at 12:36pm
Unfortunately it depends on the model. The 171 and 179 that I have owned have had the FW tank is in front of the axle. I also question the wisdom of why FR would put it behind the axle in some models. I didn't like towing my 171 with my Honda Pilot (4500#) without a full FW tank. Ultimately I decided to upgrade TV and to the 17 179 to get away from the TV towing issues and lower ride with the 171. Sorry to hear this about your situation.

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Posted By: Keith-N-Dar
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2017 at 1:31pm
Originally posted by Kos

Originally posted by Keith-N-Dar

And many have marginal tow vehicles.  If you are near or over the recommended vehicle e\weight then don't tow with a full tank.  I have plenty of headroom and have towed on a number of occasions with a full tank with no noticeable effect.


I wouldn't call 5000# marginal. And why buying a "light" trailer when you need a truck to pull it. I have to tow the trailer with a full freshwater tank because I'm camping off-grid. Pulling it with empty freshwater tank but full gray- and blackwater tank is a breeze.

The question I have is why did Forrest River put the freshwater tank behind the axle?



Let us know what Forrest River tells you when you offer your engineering expertise.


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Keith-N-Dar
Boris & Betty (Boston Terriers)
2011 R-Pod 177
2010 Ford F-150


Posted By: Kos
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2017 at 1:41pm
Originally posted by Keith-N-Dar



Let us know what Forrest River tells you when you offer your engineering expertise.


Sorry, I do not understand your answer.




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