any jeep wrangler owners?
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Topic: any jeep wrangler owners?
Posted By: ricobobo
Subject: any jeep wrangler owners?
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2017 at 3:07pm
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I hope someone can save me some heart-ache. We have just purchased R178- weight 2554 due to pick up next week. I happen to call a jeep dealership to confirm my jeep had the tow capacity. Internet told me 3500 dealership told me only 2000. I asked why- it's because the hitch was not factory installed. When I asked if my jeep could be retrofitted they said it would void the warranty. Either I get rid of my jeep or I get rid of the RPod- neither of which I am happy about doing. my jeep is a 4 door wrangler unlimited sport 4 x 4 v6 Any suggestions before I slit my wrists (not really)
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Posted By: eye95
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2017 at 3:20pm
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You are still a few hundred pounds short of the GVWR of a 178 even with a factory hitch. If you are careful to keep your R-Pod under 3500, you will be operating at the ragged edge. I can pull over 6000, but still wanted to keep it under 4000, hence my R-Pod. I love my 178, so I'll lobby you to upgrade your tow vehicle to at least 5000 to pull 4000. BTW, don't go by empty weight. Your TV should be able to handle a fully loaded trailer (GVWR) with room to spare. ------------- <0> 2017 178 The "eye-Pod" 2011 Nissan Titan |
Posted By: furpod
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2017 at 5:24pm
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What year Wrangler? What does the owners manual say. Forgive me, but, cars trucks, rv's milk bottles.. I don't care.. "the dealership" is usually the last place to look for the truth. I understand ALL 2017 Wranglers, have a 3500 tow rating. The dealership, nor manufacturer can "void your warranty" for adding a hitch.. Feel free to google the Magnuson Moss Act, and take a copy to your dealership. http://www.jeep.com/en/jeep-capabilities/towing/#WranglerUnlimited4Tab* - 2017 Wrangler specs.. ------------- |
Posted By: ricobobo
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2017 at 6:15pm
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What year Wrangler? What does the owners manual say. Forgive me, but, cars trucks, rv's milk bottles.. I don't care.. "the dealership" is usually the last place to look for the truth. I understand ALL 2017 Wranglers, have a 3500 tow rating. The dealership, nor manufacturer can "void your warranty" for adding a hitch.. Feel free to google the Magnuson Moss Act, and take a copy to your dealership. _____________________________ it is a 2014 wrangler unlimited sport just spoke with another dealership and I didn't get any further- said they will have to call me back tomorrow to let me know how to add an extra cooler in the engine-- by the way can you tell I am a female??? I have NO clue but just trying to ask the right questions. and yes they did say it would void warranty so thank you for the info on the Magnuson Moss Act- I briefly read it and noticed it said for "NEW" cars. Will have to read on to see if applies to resale. I purchased it used from the dealer with a limited warranty. So I kinda figured I needed more expert advise than the dealership, that is why I am on the forum- you guys are the experts in my opinion!
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Posted By: ricobobo
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2017 at 6:20pm
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You are still a few hundred pounds short of the GVWR of a 178 even with a factory hitch. If you are careful to keep your R-Pod under 3500, you will be operating at the ragged edge. I can pull over 6000, but still wanted to keep it under 4000, hence my R-Pod. I love my 178, so I'll lobby you to upgrade your tow vehicle to at least 5000 to pull 4000. BTW, don't go by empty weight. Your TV should be able to handle a fully loaded trailer (GVWR) with room to spare. ______ But it's not a factory hitch- it was put on after. My dilemma is that if the jeep in fact does have 3500 tow capacity I will have to install an electronic break toggle inside the cabin for the electric brake system - apparently parts n labor I am looking at close to $400. I don't want to go that route if at the end of the day the jeep can't take it no matter what I do. I don't know who else I can take the jeep to and have them look at it and tell me for sure I appreciate your input!!!- you and furpod
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Posted By: furpod
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2017 at 6:45pm
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You have to have a brake controller regardless.
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Posted By: ricobobo
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2017 at 7:15pm
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Furpod- I did not know that until yesterday, however if I wont be able to use my jeep as is I don't want to spend the additional $400 on this jeep. We will either have to sell the jeep or sell the RPod-  I am hoping I can take it somewhere other than a dealership to find out the real answer after they look at it.
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Posted By: Jpntime
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2017 at 8:36pm
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We have a 2013 four-door JK Rubicon and it has a 3500 pound tow rating you can order a wiring harness to add a brake controller made by Mopar for it and you can even buy a Mopar hitch and then you just buy the brake controller of your choice And he might want to weigh the trailer because our 171 loaded weighs 3100 pounds ------------- Love to camp 2014 171 |
Posted By: Keith-N-Dar
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2017 at 8:42pm
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Years ago I had a hitch installed by U-Haul (a company store, not a gas station that rents a few trailers). They had quite a process to determine what I needed. I don't know if there is one near you but that could be an option. Unlike some other dealers the one I use is very good amd knowledgeable. I would trust their advice, but it would be a long drive for you. If you know other RV folks get opinions about dealers and repair shops from them. In general I think your proposed TV is to short and to light. for sure you will need weight distribution hitch and sway control. Please let us know what you decide. Pods are fun and I hope things work out for you. ------------- Keith-N-Dar Boris & Betty (Boston Terriers) 2011 R-Pod 177 2010 Ford F-150 |
Posted By: Hayduke
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2017 at 9:00am
Forest River's website lists the unloaded weight of the 178 at 2603 lbs. To that number you need to add: propane cylinder, battery or batteries, microwave, water, food, clothes, leveling blocks, grill, r-dome... The list goes on. Anything else you travel with adds up. I would venture a guess that when loaded for a trip, your 178 would weigh at least 3200 lbs. Will your Jeep do that? Probably. You won't be going anywhere fast (probably a good thing), and you'll be working the jeep hard. You HAVE to add a brake controller (which can be done for much less than $400). Other things that would be very helpful are the extra cooler or coolers you mentioned and some type of weight distributing/anti-sway hitch. Is all that worth the money/effort/strain, and will it feel safe traveling down the road? Only you can answer that question for yourself. ------------- 2012 177 HRE 2017 Tacoma Double Cab |
Posted By: ricobobo
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2017 at 9:50am
| who did you have do the wiring? was it expensive? |
Posted By: ricobobo
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2017 at 10:24am
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Keith n Dar- thanks for the suggestion. Will head over to uhaul this afternoon and maybe by looking at my hitch they can give me some reassurance on the hitch. Also, I had not even thought about the anti sway hitch - that is why I love this forum, so many great ideas!! Question: if the vehicle weight is 2603 and the cargo capacity is 1165 and hitch weight is 268 - does that mean my capacity should be (2603+1165+268=4036 OR 3768?) Thank you --- will keep you posted.
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Posted By: ricobobo
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2017 at 10:25am
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Keith n Dar- thanks for the suggestion. Will head over to uhaul this afternoon and maybe by looking at my hitch they can give me some reassurance on the hitch. Also, I had not even thought about the anti sway hitch - that is why I love this forum, so many great ideas!! Question: if the vehicle weight is 2603 and the cargo capacity is 1165 and hitch weight is 268 - does that mean my capacity should be (2603+1165+268=4036 OR 3768?) Thank you --- will keep you posted.
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Posted By: eye95
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2017 at 10:29am
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Hitch weight is just the portion of the total weight of the trailer that is on the hitch. The rest of the weight is on the wheels. i.e. Don't add in the hitch weight. BTW, hitch weight generally goes up as you load the TT. It normally runs around 10% of the total weight. ------------- <0> 2017 178 The "eye-Pod" 2011 Nissan Titan |
Posted By: ricobobo
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2017 at 10:33am
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Furpod: or anyone: if I am reading the Magnuson Act correctly it is for new or resale vehicles. Am I to assume that if towing my RPod does in fact somehow damage my transmission the dealership is not obligated to honor the powertrain warranty if they can prove that is was damaged b/c I installed an after market hitch??
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Posted By: furpod
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2017 at 11:27am
Possibly.. BUT, in the long run, it will cost them more to prove the transmission damage was caused by towing, then to just fix the transmission. As long as you are doing things within reason, there will be no issue. ------------- |
Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2017 at 11:58am
Solving for cargo capacity when the trailer is attached: 3768-2603-268=897. That 897 becomes the total of people, fuel, and other stuff. ------------- bp 2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River 2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost |
Posted By: rawest50
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2017 at 12:06pm
I have a 2017 Jeep Sport Unlimited which is a 4 door and the tow capacity is 3,500. Look in your owners manual. It is there. I use sway and load control pulling our 2017 179 Pod (weith approx. 2,700#'s). No problem what so ever. The only down side is pulling on long hills. It really shifts down into the lower gears and the rmp's get quite high. As far as the hitch you need a Class II I think. You tongue weight is something to keep an eye on. I think it is rated at 350 - 400 pounds. I bought a scale to check it. My hitch can with my Jeep. Make sure you have the brake control installed if you do not have one already. My RV dealer installed mine as part of the package. ------------- 2017.5 RPod 179 2017 Jeep Unlimited Wrangler 2017 Chevy Colorado Z71 Off Road Crew Cab 2 Weiner dogs Great wife puts up with my BS ❤️ Thoroughbred Racing. 
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Posted By: rawest50
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2017 at 12:12pm
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I did upgrade my wife's car for a 2017 Colorado Z71 Off Road Crew Cab and it makes a difference on the hp and capacity I can tote. Does not shift nearly as much and RPM's are a lot lower. We will use the Jeep only if the Colorado is not available. ------------- 2017.5 RPod 179 2017 Jeep Unlimited Wrangler 2017 Chevy Colorado Z71 Off Road Crew Cab 2 Weiner dogs Great wife puts up with my BS ❤️ Thoroughbred Racing.
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Posted By: riotkayak284
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2017 at 1:37pm
| The best rule for towing is the towed vehicle needs to be 1/2 the weight of the rated vehicle tow rating. |
Posted By: ricobobo
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2017 at 4:23pm
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***UPDATE*** first off I want to thank all of my fellow "podders" for helping me out yesterday and today. I took Keith-and-Dar's advice
and I went to a U-haul store and spoke with the owner. I had all my measurements and notes with me - which was key. In a nut shell I don't have to do anything. Jack, the owner, basically said if it were he with the jeep and the R178 he would leave the jeep the way it is, he would not put in the brake controller and would not put in an anti-sway hitch. His reasoning is pretty simple for my circumstance. I only go camping a few times a year and it is locally to NH/ME and VT. If I were to take it cross country or even live more in the mountains he might make a few adjustments however I should be fine. Although I was still a little hesitant he did say to me that he has been hitching hitches for 20+ years and each one he works on he puts in his head that it has to be done perfectly or it could be his children and wife behind you if it gets lose and I do not want them to die or anyone else. This is coming from the OWNER of a U-haul so I would assume he does not want a law suit either. He looked at the way the hitch is bolted to my jeep and gave me a sense of security. That being said, if once we get all connected and on the road we find out differently we will be back at square one but would not have spent all the extra $. So Thank you again for your input. Look for my post after Oct 1 to see if we made it home without a glitch :)
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Posted By: furpod
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2017 at 4:32pm
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1 thing.. again, a brake controller isn't optional. It's required by law. New Hampshire, Maine and Vermont ALL require functional brakes on all trailers with GVWR of 3000 pounds or more. All pods have a GVWR of 3500lbs. http://drivinglaws.aaa.com/tag/trailer-brakes/ - Linky. . <<<<<<<<--------Click me. ------------- |
Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2017 at 4:43pm
I don't think I've ever seen a Jeep Wrangler over 4500 lbs, and that might be generous.
------------- bp 2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River 2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost |
Posted By: ricobobo
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2017 at 4:49pm
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furpod: you just burst my bubble :( - I thought the dry weight of the RPod was 2300. Plz excuse my ignorance - can you explain it to me please in elementary terms.
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Posted By: ParPod
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2017 at 6:20pm
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Um...back to the beginning and the difference in tow capability. We came into the Pod world with a 2012 Toyota Rav Sport w/tow package. That gave us 3500.....but.....only because the vehicle had the tow package. What that gives the vehicle, for Toyota at least, is a stiffer suspension, larger rad with a bigger cooling fan, heavy duty alternator, and perhaps the most important....a transmission cooler. As has already been pointed out here - Pods come with electronic brakes. Use of said brakes is mandatory just about everywhere so you should count on having to have the harness for a 7-point plug installed. From the sounds of it your Wrangler doesn't have a tow package and I suspect that is why you are hearing the 2000 limit. You run without a transmission cooler at your own risk really. A transmissions' biggest enemy is heat and pulling between 3000 and say 3200 in all kinds of winds and up and down hills etc generates a lot of heat. For the sake of saving a couple of hundred dollars you run the risk of being stranded on the side of the highway with a expensive tranny repair on the immediate horizon. Not wanting to get into a peeing contest with the U-Haul guy but I've towed with a vehicle that is about the same as your Wrangler. You need a WD/equalizer hitch for that short wheel based vehicle - even though you will be pulling a smaller Pod than the one I have. Just for safety if nothing else.....and rest assured you will not be sorry to have it. Fastway E2 highly recommended. I hope furpod returns and answers your questions....he won't steer you wrong. Good luck and best wishes as you move forward. ------------- Bob&Margaret 2017 179 2016 Toyota 4Runner 2 sets of Golf Clubs |
Posted By: furpod
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2017 at 6:29pm
Dry weight is what it weighs empty. No options, no gear. After the dry weight, we add batteries, propane, air conditioners, microwaves, televisions, stereos, sleeping bags, soap, towels, spare undies, beer, water, spam, potatoes, eggs, bacon, whop biscuits, sodas, swimsuits, firewood, pots, pans, camping chairs, need I go on? LOL GVWR is also very important, and it's what the .gov cares about. That's the Gross Vehicle Weight Rating.. or.. what the manufacturer says the vehicle CAN weigh when totally loaded. It's usually, and in this case exactly, based on the fact that the Pod has a "3500lb" axle. Also.. I am not a Uhaul fan.. and for sure not a fan of the one you found. By definition a Wrangler is a short wheelbase vehicle, the pod can apply a lot of side torque which a short wheelbase cannot handle well. I would not tow with a Jeep, period.. BUT, if I was convinced to do it, I would for sure use a WDH and sway control. ------------- |
Posted By: eye95
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2017 at 7:38pm
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I hate to break some bad news, but the U-Haul guy is full of it. I would never tow a 178 with the vehicle as you have described it. Use the trailer GVWR to determine whether you can tow it. You can't. Not even close. And you should allow extra capacity. To tow a 178, I'd want minimum 4000 pound towing capacity and a TV carrying capacity that could allow for 400 lbs on the tongue in addition to all other cargo carried in your TV. Don't operate on the ragged edge. Certainly, don't pull or carry more than your TV is rated for. Don't cut corners. Get a decent tow vehicle with a tow package and a brake controller. Please. ------------- <0> 2017 178 The "eye-Pod" 2011 Nissan Titan |
Posted By: Jpntime
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2017 at 8:26pm
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They're all correct you have to have a brake controller we don't Pull or 171 very often with the jeep because it makes it work so hard we usually use our truck and the weight of the 171 was quite a bit less and that's why we went with one without a pop out so we could pull it legally with the jeep I would say you would probably be overloaded or real close to it .A friend told me if you were towing a trailer that weighs more than you're towing capacity and you get in a wreck for any reason blown tire ,wind ice,you are liable because you were breaking the law So definitely wait to make sure you know what it ways with all your stuff and water in it Sidenote I got my wiring harness I believe from Amazon typed in Jeep Wrangler JK four door and it came up with a seven pin wiring harness that's pretty easy to install yourself and then I just ordered a brake controller for it from them too but the wiring harness was actually made by Mopar and was just plug-in and run along the frame rails and hook up a couple power wires pretty easy ------------- Love to camp 2014 171 |
Posted By: furpod
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2017 at 9:28pm
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If you use FaceBook, go to this group, ask to join. Very helpful bunch. DO NOT TELL THEM I SENT YOU. http://www.facebook.com/groups/1453847511527049/?multi_permalinks=1984948948416900¬if_t=group_activity¬if_id=1504722868294602 - Jeep Pod Group ------------- |
Posted By: Casey
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2017 at 12:27am
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There is a lot of over thinking, over explaining, and over complicating going on here. The simple answer is put a good brake controller in, get a weight distributing sway control hitch, and tow your trailer.
We have a 3/4 ton truck, and with the weight distributing hitch our 4 door jeep tows the trailer just as stable as the truck. |
Posted By: eye95
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2017 at 6:39am
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And when you wreck your trailer and your car, blame it on the china bombs! Moving on. ------------- <0> 2017 178 The "eye-Pod" 2011 Nissan Titan |
Posted By: Dpod56
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2017 at 7:19am
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We have had our rpod since 2014. We towed it with a Jeep Liberty for 2 years, with no real issues. We drove at a reasonable speed, with a sway bar. Yes, it pulled hard through the mountains of Wyoming, but, did a good job. Last year we purchased a Jeep Grand Cherokee Larado, with the tow package. The trailer pulls like a dream. We continue to drive at a reasonable speed, after all, there's a lot of weight behind us. ------------- Dpod56 |
Posted By: ToolmanJohn
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2017 at 2:39pm
+1 I would also add that if the trailer HAS electric brakes already (every R-Pod does), then you MUST USE THEM. So, get a trailer brake controller installed on the Jeep, immediately. And use you trailer brakes to help tow safely. Please.. ------------- 2017 ATC 7X20 Custom Toy Hauler 2013 R-Pod 177 (SOLD) 2013 VW Touareg TDI |
Posted By: Dirt Road Warrior
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2017 at 7:40pm
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I towed a 179 (all tanks were empty) with a 2013 Wrangler Sport with max tow and a brake controller. The Pod came with a WDH and sway control. Three times we climbed the Bumblebee hill on I17 (at least a 2000 foot climb). It was slow, with lower gear selection necessary, and the only issue was a hotter than normal engine temp (it was over 100 outside). There were no problems with sway or any scary moments. However, due to work needs I bought a Grand Cherokee (and kept the Wrangler, of course). Haven't towed the Pod yet, but I bet it will be more comfortable. ------------- Dirt Road Warrior 2013 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited or 2017 Jeep Grand Cherokee 2017 Rpod 179 Hood River |
Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2017 at 8:04pm
------------- bp 2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River 2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost |
Posted By: ricobobo
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2017 at 10:09am
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Thank you all for your comments! Thank you especially for your suggestion to the fb group- they have been helpful as well. We have decided to borrow a friends truck for now and will re-visit this in the Spring. Too stressful to have to make that decision at this junction. But thank you again for all of your input! Happy RPodding!!
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Posted By: goombah
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2017 at 1:00am
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I'm late to the game, but here's my input. First of all, the JKU and JK have different tow capacities since the 4 door has the longer wheelbase. Also, the max tow package on Wranglers is typically the addition of the transmission cooler and higher gear ratio, along with the lighting harness and hitch. Gearing is also key. You don't want to tow with 3.21 gears. My setup:
2015 Jeep Wrangler JKU Rubicon (factory transmission cooler) 4.10 gear ratio, auto trans. 2015 Rpod 176 Tekonsha Prodigy 2 Brake Controller Andersen No Sway/Weight Distributing Hitch System Self installed hitch, trailer light harness (Mopar), and brake controller. I've taken it multiple times (>10) from sea level where I live to above 7,000 feet here in Northern California including up the aforementioned Sonora Pass as far as Dardanelle. Just got back from another trip to Yosemite this evening where we towed it above 6,000 feet. We try to go as light as possible (don't tow with any water in the tanks) and haven't had any problems. The first year we had it, our trip to Yosemite was done with the outside temps over 100 degrees. Do we set any speed records? Nope, but it does a nice job going up the mountains as long as you aren't in a hurry. I'm not going to keep up with the diesels. I did a ton of research before I bought this combination of vehicle and trailer, and believe me, there was a lot of information, disinformation, and confusion (did you know the JKU has a 500 pound higher towing capacity in Europe- 3500 lbs vs 4000 lbs? Never got a solid answer on that one, but one theory is that the JKUs brakes might be different over there.). I realize I'm towing close to my capacity, and the rule of thumb is to try to have 20% or more in reserve. Fully loaded I'm about 3100 lbs. Food for thought on all the "JKU's have such a short wheelbase" quotes you see so frequently. The JKU has a longer wheelbase (116 inches) than the Jeep Grand Cherokee and the Toyota 4Runner (over 6 inches longer in the 4Runner's case). Both of those when properly equipped have tow capacities of at least 5,000 lbs, with the Grand topping over 6,000 lbs. People love to tow with Chevy Tahoes. Guess what the wheelbase is on those? Yup, 116 inches. I know a lot more goes into towing capacity than wheelbase, but there are so many that throw that "Wrangler short wheelbase" argument out there that it needs to be put to bed. We're talking about JKUs here, not JKs. Good luck with whatever you decide. Check out the referenced http://https://www.facebook.com/groups/1453847511527049/ - Facebook group for more input, but they might be just as biased as me  . |
Posted By: Casey
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2017 at 7:54pm
| Weight distribution is the biggest factor in safely towing, wheelbase isn't nearly as important as people think, it actually doesn't have much to do with it at all. As far as gear ratios, tranny coolers and horsepower go, none of those have anything to do with safely towing a trailer, they just dictate how fast you're going to tow it and for how long. But as I said, weight distributing is the key, and since you can't put a gooseneck or 5th wheel hitch on an SUV... weight distributing hitches are not an area to cheap out on. Get a quality hitch, set it up correctly, and enjoy your drive. |
Posted By: rawest50
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2017 at 9:15pm
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I changed from my 2017 Jeep Unlimited with the tow package to a 2017 Colorado crew Cab Off Road with tow. Have load and sway control. Both do fine. Jeep on hills turns higher RPMs up grades. Gets the job done. I have ran at speeds of 65-70 and not problem on fairly flat roads. Remember my rig is equipped with sway and load control. The Colorado has more power and I carry more weight. Do not overload your Jeep. I checked my tongue weight. Kept it around 350 lbs. ------------- 2017.5 RPod 179 2017 Jeep Unlimited Wrangler 2017 Chevy Colorado Z71 Off Road Crew Cab 2 Weiner dogs Great wife puts up with my BS ❤️ Thoroughbred Racing.
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Posted By: Hayduke
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2017 at 12:41pm
Have you weighed your pod loaded? Just curious. I'd like to get a feeling for what a bunch of pod owners' loaded weights are. ------------- 2012 177 HRE 2017 Tacoma Double Cab |
Posted By: Larry-D
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2017 at 5:38pm
| 2014 JKU, aftermarket hitch. No problems pulling Rpod 172 loaded. No problems with any factory warranty. The aftermarket hitches are the same as the factory. The limiting factor on JKs is the way the hitch mounts, not the best design. You will certainly need a trailer brake controller. Agree on getting the factory trailer wiring harness, just makes it easier. |
Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2017 at 5:58pm
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Larry-D,
Legally you need a brake controller. Sure you're up on that. Welcome. ------------- Mike Carter 2015 178 " I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability." |
Posted By: Larry-D
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2017 at 6:25pm
| Using a Prodigy 2, I think its been three years since I installed it. |