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Topic: weight distribution...again!
Posted By: zen2b1
Subject: weight distribution...again!
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2019 at 4:11pm
Hi fellow r-poders...I purchased a 2018, 170 in November and am getting my ducks in a row for this (our first) season of use.  Our dealer was adamant that we needed no weight distribution as the r-pod 170 does not place enough weight on the hitch ball (tongue weight?) to load the TV frame.  He did recommend a sway control device.  My tow vehicle is a 5 generation 4 runner w/ tow package.  I towed it from Oklahoma back to NM...(all 3 tanks maxed out with 30+ gallons each)....I did notice some front end squirreling on the highway and front end groans on slow turns... Because of that I am looking at a WDH such as a Fastway system 92-00-0450 (450 tongue weight/4500 weight) or 94-00-6000 (600 lb tongue weight/6000 max).   My question is which one.  The Rpod brochure indicates a tongue weight of 242lbs. for the 170.  With TV and TT loaded for travel, and with no more than max recommended weight in both TV and TT, how much more could the tongue weight increase?   Should I go for the 450 / 4500 or the 600 / 6000 distribution set up?  Thank you all for any courteous and informed replies.  T.



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Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2019 at 4:16pm
I'd recommend the 94-00-6000 because it can be dialed down to match your TV/TT combination, while the 94-00-0450 can not be dialed up. I think if you load your 170 up, it could easily exceed the 450 lb tongue weight

We use the 94-00-6000 with our 179, which is admittedly heavier than your 170.


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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2019 at 4:36pm
Yes, do get the heavier WDH. It needs to be able to redistribute both the tongue weight of the trailer as well as the load you have behind the rear axle of your TV. I actually have a 1200 lb wdh on my 179. As GlueGuy says, you adjust the spring arm tension on the wdh anyway so its not really a disadvantage to be a little oversized. 

One question, why all three tanks maxed out? Typically that shouldn't happen, outbound your fresh tank will have water in it, inbound it will be your waste tanks. BTW, if you have all your tanks filled that is not the worst case for your tongue load because all the tanks are not in front of the trailer axle.  Load behind the trailer axle reduces tongue weight. 


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: TheBum
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2019 at 4:50pm
Originally posted by offgrid

Yes, do get the heavier WDH. It needs to be able to redistribute both the tongue weight of the trailer as well as the load you have behind the rear axle of your TV. I actually have a 1200 lb wdh on my 179. As GlueGuy says, you adjust the spring arm tension on the wdh anyway so its not really a disadvantage to be a little oversized. 
One question, why all three tanks maxed out? Typically that shouldn't happen, outbound your fresh tank will have water in it, inbound it will be your waste tanks. BTW, if you have all your tanks filled that is not the worst case for your tongue load because all the tanks are not in front of the trailer axle.  Load behind the trailer axle reduces tongue weight. 


I'm not sure I'd run a 1200 pound tongue-weight WDH on a unibody crossover like the Highlander because the stiffer rods might stress the structure of the TV too much. We had a 600 on our 2012 Highlander and it worked just fine.

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Alan
2022 R-Pod 196 "RaptoRPod"
2022 Ram 1500 Lone Star 4x4
Three cats


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2019 at 4:26am
I wouldn't have chosen that WDH either, I got it with the trailer when I bought it used.  If i was starting from scratch I'd  buy either a 600 or probably an 800 lb unit. But I've never had any problems, you should never over tension a WDH anyway, follow the instructions and don't try to "level" the tow vehicle. And don't think that a WDH increases the tongue weight capacity of your TV, it doesn't. When you drive through a swale with a WDH you'll end up hanging your trailer on the back of your tow vehicle. 

I'm sure this will cause an debate but it is a misunderstanding to think that unibody is inherently less structurally capable than body on frame. In fact for an SUV, quite the opposite is true. Unibody design uses the SUV C and D pillars and roof to create a very strong and rigid truss structure, using less steel. Saying a unibody SUV isn't as strong as body on frame is like saying a truss bridge isn't as strong as one using simple beams. It all depends on what each was designed to do. 

The same is not true for a pickup configuration. The only unibody pickup out there is the Honda Ridgeline, an interesting vehicle for sure but without the C and D pillars a lot of the structural benefits of unibody are lost. So there isn't a compelling reason for a manufacturer to change to unibody if it already manufactures body on frame pickups.  Honda did that mostly because they don't have any body on frame production lines. Eventually I would predict that body on frame SUV's will disappear and  body on frame pickups will be a mix based on what's easier for each manufacturer to produce on a given assembly line. 




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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: furpod
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2019 at 7:39am
As a note.. on almost every WDH I have worked with, you can buy the BARS separately. You should use bars that match as close as possible your TW. Both the TT manufacturers AND the WDH manufacturers say this. We own 550, 800 and 1200lb bars, that all fit the same "head/hitch" because of changes of TT's over the years.

It isn't as much about starting tension, it's also about it's ability to flex when the TV and TT move independently of each other. If the bars are to stiff to be flexed by the load, the frames are what flexes.

I also, second the question, of, "why are you towing with all 3 tanks full"? Besides just the weight and balance issues, it's generally agreed upon across the RV world not to do it because 30 gallons of poop weighs a lot, and once you put that in motion, and it starts bouncing around, it effectively weighs a lot more, and the tanks can, and have, come loose.. Poop happens.. but no one wants that poop to happen..


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Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2019 at 9:02am
My tongue weight runs about 550 lbs. Assuming about 75-100 lbs in the rear of the TV, I think 600 lb bars would be a bit too low. 800 lbs would be the best setup, but I'm not really concerned about using the 1200 lb ones for now. If I was getting a lot of undamped bouncing while towing then that would be a sure sign things were too stiff, but I don't get any bouncing to speak of. 

Ultimately I want to change to a different whd, I have a Reese Pro Series and don't really like it for a couple of reasons, one being lack of flexibility on where the mounting brackets have to be, another being the somewhat clunky nature of the antisway system (IMO).  When I do change I'll likely be getting an 800 lb rated system. 


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2019 at 10:13am
+1 to what furpod pointed out. You want the bars on the WDH to be over the actual load, but not too much. A heavier bar will transfer the load just fine, but will not flex enough as you're goin g down the road. And as he also pointed out, a WDH like the E2 (and similar), the head unit is the same, but you can swap out the bars within a range.

I would also say that a unibody is a nice strong frame design with a lot of advantages in terms of weight and quietness. However, there are serious issues with "point loads" that a trailer hitch imposes. In order to handle heavier tongue weights, there needs to be gussets or some other thing to spread the load at the attachment point.


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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2019 at 3:11pm
No one should be exceeding their TV's tongue, axle, towing, or GCVWR's. That is a given for any TV. The vehicles' suspensions, frames, approved hitches and hitch attachment points, whether they are ladder or unibody structures, have been engineered for that, not for something else. 

As I said will be changing to an 800 lb rated wdh when I get to the point of knowing what clearances I need for mounting other planned gear to my A frame. I already know that my Reese Pro won't clear. You definitely want a wdh rated higher than your actual tongue weight plus the weight of any load behind the rear axle, so 600 lbs will be a bit too light for me. Its going to be fine for folks with lighter rPods or rPods which are loaded lightly.




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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: Motor7
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2019 at 5:55am
Interesting topic since I have been researching WDH and Anti-Away. Even though my TV is rated to 8K I have been out west quite a bit and we routinely travel from TN to MB, so I know all about nasty persistent crosswinds. They are a pain on a bike and after three days insanity starts seeping in, but not really dangerous. I know I do not want to tow any tall type trailer without having sway control under those conditions. 

So, have been rearing and researching and "think" I want the Equal-i-zer 600lb model. Being able to back up and having the sway control built in were my priorities. I found a 1200lb one locally for $250 which is a decent price but was worried about overkill. You guys are correct(I emailed EQ), it would make for a harsh-er ride and I do not want that so I passed on the 1200. FYI, the bars and hub have to be changed out on the Equal-i-zer which makes it cost prohibitive. 

Anyway, for local trips no WDH is needed, so I have a few months to track down a 600lb. 


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2016 R-Pod 176T


Posted By: Motor7
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2019 at 6:00am
Oh and my guess is that Zen filled all the tanks to increase the tongue weight?. However at least on my 176T the black tank is behind the axle, so I dont't think filling that one would help.

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2016 R-Pod 176T


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2019 at 7:15am
Adding any weight behind the trailer axle will reduce the tongue weight. That can be a good or bad thing depending on where you started, but too little tongue weight can be much more dangerous than too much. You'll most likely notice right away if your TV front axle gets too light, but trailer sway from too little tongue weight can come out of nowhere and bite you.  There has been at least one case of catastrophic sway in an rPod on the return leg of a trip with too much water weight in the rear which had been stable outbound. 

Moral of the story is to know your load and tongue weight at both extreme conditions. You can do that mathematically once you'd got actual trailer and tongue weights under a known set of load conditions. Its called a weight and balance calc. Any pilots out there will know what I'm talking about. 

Personally, I wouldn't want to drop below 10-11% on the tongue even with sway control. I want to start with a rig that is stable in its own right and then use wdh and sway control to improve ride and handling, not to depend on it. Just my $0.02. 


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2019 at 8:34am
Originally posted by Motor7

Interesting topic since I have been researching WDH and Anti-Away. Even though my TV is rated to 8K I have been out west quite a bit and we routinely travel from TN to MB, so I know all about nasty persistent crosswinds. They are a pain on a bike and after three days insanity starts seeping in, but not really dangerous. I know I do not want to tow any tall type trailer without having sway control under those conditions. 

So, have been rearing and researching and "think" I want the Equal-i-zer 600lb model. Being able to back up and having the sway control built in were my priorities. I found a 1200lb one locally for $250 which is a decent price but was worried about overkill. You guys are correct(I emailed EQ), it would make for a harsh-er ride and I do not want that so I passed on the 1200. FYI, the bars and hub have to be changed out on the Equal-i-zer which makes it cost prohibitive. 

Anyway, for local trips no WDH is needed, so I have a few months to track down a 600lb. 

I used to have an Equal-i-zer 600/6000 lb hitch. My daughter has it now. I am using a Hensley Cub which is way overkill for the RPod. If I were to do things over again, I would certainly look at the Andersen No-Sway.

There is another alternative you have not mentioned. That is the Hayes Sway Master electronic sway control  (  http://www.hayesbc.com/products-categories/ - http://www.hayesbc.com/products-categories/ ). An alternative is Tuson Sway Control (  https://tusonrvbrakes.com/collections/tuson-sway-control - https://tusonrvbrakes.com/collections/tuson-sway-control ). Since your vehicle does not necessarily need the WD given the capacity of it being over twice the weight of the RPod, perhaps this would be simpler and would be better for your situation. It is much more expensive than a simple sway bar, but it has the advantages of being able to act when needed automatically and it does not need to be disconnected for backing.

I purchased and installed the Hayes Sway Master before I got the Hensley Cub. I might not need it now, but since I have it, it is one more layer of assistance to help prevent an accident like the one i had where I hit ice with a strong cross wind.


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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: zen2b1
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2019 at 7:41pm
Thanks everyone for your insights.  Looks like a 600/6000 system will be the better set-up...I plan to keep thinks real light on long road trips.


Posted By: michaeln
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2019 at 12:04pm
I have a FastWay e2 system (same parent company as the Equalizer, but only 2 point sway control).  Still dialing mine in, looks like my 171 falls just into the lower end of the 600/6000.  Definitely don't need more, the 450/4000 might have been adequate.

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Avery, CA


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2019 at 4:09pm
Originally posted by michaeln

I have a FastWay e2 system (same parent company as the Equalizer, but only 2 point sway control).  Still dialing mine in, looks like my 171 falls just into the lower end of the 600/6000.  Definitely don't need more, the 450/4000 might have been adequate.
With the E2, you should be able to swap to the bars. Pretty sure the head is the same for those two.

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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: Motor7
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2019 at 7:27am
Originally posted by StephenH

 

Hayes Sway Master electronic sway control  (  http://www.hayesbc.com/products-categories/ - http://www.hayesbc.com/products-categories/ ). An alternative is Tuson Sway Control (  https://tusonrvbrakes.com/collections/tuson-sway-control - https://tusonrvbrakes.com/collections/tuson-sway-control ). 

I purchased and installed the Hayes Sway Master before I got the Hensley Cub. I might not need it now, but since I have it, it is one more layer of assistance to help prevent an accident like the one i had where I hit ice with a strong cross wind.
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I read your post on the Hayes review. I had never heard of electronic sway control before and the idea is fascinating. I have not dug deep into how it actually works yet and I am assuming that it only applies the brakes when the trailer is directly behind the TV and not at the apex of the swing on each side? While the Tuscon must be applying one brake(inboard side) at the apex of the swing? 

Anyway, the Hayes can be had for $250-ish and that is generally the price of a good used EQ hitch, so I think I will order one before taking off on our 'big' trip where we will be out three weeks and cover 5-6 thousand miles. Thanks for the info!






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2016 R-Pod 176T


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2019 at 8:27am
My understanding is that both of them work on the principle of a gyroscope. The Hayes information says it has a GPS (to detect vehicle speed). The Hayes won't activate at low speeds such as when you are making sharp turns at an intersection or backing into a campsite. Above 45 MPH, it is fully active and if the trailer swings out of its set parameters, it will activate the brakes to bring it back into line. The Tuson is a little more sophisticated in that it can apply the brakes individually. There is a third one that Lippert owns and was put on some Jayco trailers. However, I have not seen any information about if it is available for retrofitting.

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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2019 at 9:31am
Out of curiosity, what does the Hayes system default to when it isn't receiving a GPS signal (for example in a tunnel, between tall buildings, or in a deep ravine)? 




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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: furpod
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2019 at 10:05am
Originally posted by offgrid

Out of curiosity, what does the Hayes system default to when it isn't receiving a GPS signal (for example in a tunnel, between tall buildings, or in a deep ravine)? 




I have heard of the system, have not researched it, but I understood it worked off an accelerometer, and not GPS.


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Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2019 at 10:17am
Looks like it has both. From the Hayes website:

"The Sway Master trailer sway prevention system is state-of-the-art technology that can keep you and your family safe during long towing road trips this summer. This system activates upon immediate detection of sway, providing simultaneous braking to all trailer brakes on one to four axle trailers. Additionally, it utilizes solid state gyroscope to detect any potential swaying issues, as well as GPS to determine the accurate speed of the trailer itself."

My thought would be that you probably wouldn't want it to default to thinking the rig wasn't moving or was moving slowly when it loses its GPS signal. 



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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2019 at 2:24pm
Agreed. I had to be creative in figuring out where to mount the unit since I have the Stromberg-Carlson Trailer Tray on the A frame which blocks much of the view of the sky. I ended up mounting the unit on the trailer tray so it would have an unobstructed view of the sky.

I expect that in any situation where an auto's GPS navigation has enough of a signal to work, the Hayes would also have enough of a signal to work. It does not necessarily need to see as many satellites as the navigation GPS to have an accurate enough signal to function.


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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: TheBum
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2019 at 2:56pm
I'd still be a little leery of electronic sway control. It can only compensate for sway after the trailer starts swaying. Conventional mechanical sway control prevents most sway from happening in the first place. A combination would be nice.

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Alan
2022 R-Pod 196 "RaptoRPod"
2022 Ram 1500 Lone Star 4x4
Three cats


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2019 at 4:24pm
My thoughts too. The mechanical can control only so much. If it gets to the point that the mechanical is insufficient, then the electronic can potentially prevent a disaster.The videos I have seen indicate that it does make towing much more stable even if the sway is not to the point of a near-accident.


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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2019 at 4:59pm
Electronic stability control is standard equipment now on many vehicles. It combines individual wheel speed sensors,  accelerometer(s), and steering wheel position sensors with independent brake force actuators to send the appropriate brake force to each wheel as required for conditions. So there's nothing wrong with the concept of controlling sway electronically.  

The Hayes system appears to be a relatively crude version of the same concept, crude because its using GPS rather than directly measuring wheel speed, and because its not controlling each wheel separately. That's not to say that the system can't provide benefits, I'd just proceed cautiously and would want to know more about how it operates. The devil is in the details.

Personally, I'd be concerned about the way the system uses the GPS signal as there are many conditions where GPS fails to operate accurately. I also note that the system was recalled last summer for an upgrade because it wasn't compatible with some electronic trailer brake controllers. 

 


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2019 at 6:46pm
Yes. Mine was one of the ones recalled because it was not compatible with the built-in trailer brake controller in some vehicles. The upgrade was to fix that. The upgraded unit no longer specifies that it is incompatible with built-in brake controllers.

The Tuson controller can apply each side independently instead of together so it is more sophisticated. However, I had purchased the Hayes before I ever heard of the Tuson unit. The Hayes is a simple install. The Tuson specifies that it should be installed by a technician, not the end user.


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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: Motor7
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2019 at 7:04pm
Well I picked up a Hayes on CL today for $150....I'll let y'all know my thoughts in a few weeks. 

I know it's over a year old, and I am running a Tekonsha Prodigy P2...was that in the recall?


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2016 R-Pod 176T


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2019 at 7:29pm
Only factory built-in controllers had the problem so the recall was to fix that. The problem was that the factory controller might decide that the trailer was not connected and thus not apply brakes as needed. The recall was to address that. The Tekonsha Prodigy P2 is an aftermarket item and therefore was not affected by the problem. You are good to go. Still though, you may want to contact Hayes to see if it needs to have the recall applied. If so, the upgrade is done at no cost. http://www.hayesbc.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/Sway-Master-NHTSA-Recall-18E-045.pdf - http://www.hayesbc.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/Sway-Master-NHTSA-Recall-18E-045.pdf

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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2019 at 6:58am
I've been looking into the weight distribution hitch rating question a little further. 

My Reese Pro hitch (rated at 1200 lbs) is stated to have a spring bar rating before bending of 1200 lbs each or 2400 lbs for the two bars. I interpret that to be the max tension the bars can take before bending. Similarly I would assume that 600 lb bars would max out at 1200 lbs total tension. Or an 800 lb system would be 1600 lbs max on the bars.  Not sure if similar limits would apply to other wdh systems or not. 

So, what kind of max tension loading will the wdh spring bars see?  3g's is a number I've seen stated multiple places as a minimum vehicle frame and suspension design limit.   If you ever experienced anything like a 3g bump load driving your rig you'd definitely notice. For example it looks like both the rPod trailer axle and frame will reach yield and fail at about 2.75-3 g's. Probably the tow vehicle design limits are higher as there seem to be way more trailer axle/frame failures than TV suspension failures. The actual numbers the manufacturers use are proprietary. 

So, imagine that a giant hand picks up your rig and drops it so that it experiences 3g's when it hits the pavement. Assuming a similar level of spring stiffness in all 3 axles you should see every load in the system go up by a factor of about 3. So, if your spring tension was 400 lbs to start with then you would be at 1200 lbs spring tension, the presumed upper limit for 600 lb bars. If your spring tension was 800 lbs to start with then you would be at 2400 lbs, the max for my 1200 rated wd system.

What this means is I think you want to pick your wdh rating based on your spring bar tension not directly on your tongue weight (or more accurately not based on your combined tongue weight plus the load behind your TV rear axle. 

How to know what your bar tension is? its pretty easy, the objective is to get the TV front axle weight back to where it was without the trailer. You can determine that using the towing calculator by first putting in all your numbers, then setting the trailer wt to 1 lb (it won't accept zero trailer wt), recording the front axle load, then putting the trailer wt back to your expected max trailer weight and adjusting the spring tension to give the same front axle load as in step 1. 

When I did this I came up with about 750 lbs wd tension, which would work out to about 2250 lbs bar tension at 3g, or 3.2g's at the point of spring bar failure for my current setup. If I dropped back to 800 lb bars I'd only be good for about 2.1 g's. A 1000 lb hitch rating would give me about 2.7g's. That would probably be perfect as the bars would fail before the trailer and TV frames and suspensions, but not way before.  But I'm not way off with my 1200 lb rated system. 

The other thing to look for is a bouncy ride due to too stiff spring bars, but my ride feels pretty good and is well damped so I'm going to stay put for now. 

Everyone is going to have a different spring bar tension. If your bar tension is low and works out to say 450 lbs or less than a 600 lb rated wdh would be a better choice for you. 


https://www.ajdesigner.com/apptrailertow/weightdistributionhitch.php




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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: zen2b1
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2019 at 1:14pm
Thanks Offgrid,  I need to get out and do some measurements ... sounds like a 600/6000 for my 171/4 runner setup...input appreciated.  


Posted By: michaeln
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2019 at 1:43pm
I couldn't get the e2 600/6000 trunnion  setup to work correctly with my '18 Tacoma and Rpod 171.  

After lots of back and forth with e2 support and my sending them pictures, they determined that the hitch head was defective... either welded together wrong or holes drilled wrong.  

In any case they are sending me a new hitch head and a pickup slip for the one I have now so they can inspect it.  Hope I am able to get the new one working right.  They reiterated this is the correct hitch for my setup.


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Avery, CA


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2019 at 2:00pm
Yah zen2b1 I think for your rig 600/6000 will be just fine, you won't have nearly the tongue weight I have and so you won't be needing nearly as much spring bar tension as I do in my 179.  You may end up with the opposite problem, too little tongue weight, you'll want to be at least 10-11% under all loading conditions to reduce the possibility of sway. 

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold



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