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Topic: Towing with 2019 Highlander
Posted By: Mbearden
Subject: Towing with 2019 Highlander
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2019 at 12:39pm
Does anyone tow with a 2019 Toyota Highlander....I am having trouble finding someone that is willing to install a brake controller and seven wire plug.   It has the 
 factory hitch and 4 wire plug.  The RV dealers seem scared of touching it.


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Mike Bearden



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Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2019 at 12:44pm
Which model of Highlander, and is it front wheel drive, or all wheel drive, and what is the vehicle's rated towing capacity? I know there are several people on this list who tow with a Highlander, but I'm pretty sure they all are using the all wheel drive models.

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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2019 at 1:47pm
From this discussion on Etrailer there are apparently some issues with the Toyota electronic safety system with some brake controllers when connected into the Highlander electrical system. The Curt unit which goes between the Highlander trailer connector and the trailer apparently avoids this problem. Etrailer is a great source of information and solutions, you might want to call them to discuss further before proceeding.

https://www.etrailer.com/question-339368.html

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: Mbearden
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2019 at 1:57pm
All Wheel Drive...it’s rated at 5000.  XLE  model come with HD alternator  and trans cooler.

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Mike Bearden


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2019 at 4:30am
Originally posted by Mbearden

All Wheel Drive...it’s rated at 5000.  XLE  model come with HD alternator  and trans cooler.

Those are essentially the same specs as my 2012 Highlander. You can tow an rPod just fine with that vehicle. 

There is one thing I'd watch out for. I'm not sure what rPod you have or are considering but the heavier ones with fresh water tanks forward of the trailer axle can get to a pretty high tongue weight very quickly. If you are planning to camp without hookups, want to travel with a full fresh water tank, and are considering mods like dual batteries and/or propane cylinders you can  very easily exceed 500-550 lbs tongue weight. My 179 is at 550 lbs fully loaded, which is the limit for the 2012 Highlander. Be sure to actually weigh yours so you know what you have before starting to make any mods that add more weight to the tongue. 

You will almost certainly want a weight distribution hitch and sway control, but a wdh does not increase your max tongue weight capacity. You will also want to keep the load in the rear of your Highlander low and as far forward as possible, as load behind the tow vehicle rear axle reduces the tongue weight capacity. If you don't already have one, be sure to get a receiver for the Highlander that's rated for use with a weight distribution hitch.  

None of these loading considerations effect your current question with brake controller installation, that I think is a concern about potential interference with the Toyota electronic safety system. I'd check in with the nice folks at eTrailer on that. 

Welcome to the forum from the OBX. 


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: Wood River Pod
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2019 at 9:37am
We just traded our 2010 Highlander Limited in on a Tahoe.  The Highlander towed our 2017 179 HRE fine for three years. 

We've towed it on several big trips from our home base in Idaho.  The first was down to Zions for spring break.  That trip was before the weight distribution hitch.  Then the next spring break we went down to Sedona.  In addition to these two, we've done lots of mini trips around our area.  

By the Sedona trip we had put a E2 600 weight distribution hitch on.   IMHO, the weight distribution hitch is a must on the Highlander.  I followed the wife and son back from a camping weekend in Salmon.  I watch them bounce the entire way from Challis to Stanley on a windy two lane road that followed the Salmon River.  It was about the most nervous/anxious I've ever been.  The next week I bought the E2.  It helped even out the Highlander and took most of the bounce out. 

The v6 had a tough time going into overdrive on the highway when we had some rolling hills.  Cruise control would always downshift.  Better to drive with your foot around 60.  Gas mileage is 10-12 mpg.  Never pass a gas station once you get to half a tank.  We found the the tank dropped from 1/2 to E faster than full to 1/2.  Once we had to unhook the pod and run 40 miles to gas up, come back and get the pod.  I had a nice nap in the trailer.  That was some "I told you so" quality time. 

It would handle passes ok as well.  We have Galena summit to get up into the Sawtooth/Stanley basin.  We would have no problem up and over.  You don't want to know the mpg...

When it was time to consider a new rig, we wanted to go with a v8 and higher tongue capacity which also provides higher tow capacity.  The Tahoe has 8,100 capacity with transmission tow mode and rear axle ratio better suited.  Also has the integrated break controller.  I've towed the pod once with the Tahoe.  Don't even know it was back there. 

All in all the Highlander will tow the pod fine.  Be mindful of tongue weight and how you load the pod.  We traveled with full water tanks when we had no choice  You could feel the difference.  I've been a Toyota buyer for my past three cars (early 90's).  Unfortunately in my opinion Toyota has a hole in their offering.  The Four Runner may tow a pod better with its stiffer suspension, but its still a v6.  And I think the mpgs would be worse.  You have to go up to the Sequoia or Tundra beast to get the v8.  Mpgs really drops and the are big.  Enjoy the highlander/pod and have fun.
Thanks    


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Smith's in Hailey
Early 2017 179 HRE

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=9134&PN=1&title=wood-river-179-mods - Wood River Mods


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2019 at 10:54am
Originally posted by Wood River Pod


Better to drive with your foot around 60.  Gas mileage is 10-12 mpg.  Never pass a gas station once you get to half a tank.  We found the the tank dropped from 1/2 to E faster than full to 1/2.  Once we had to unhook the pod and run 40 miles to gas up, come back and get the pod.  I had a nice nap in the trailer.  That was some "I told you so" quality time.  

Wow, 10-12 mpg. I cruise in my 2012 Highlander at 60-65 towing and get 14-15 on flat ground, don't think I've ever gotten below 12 even in the mountains. And my 179 always has a full fresh water tank outbound. 

I was wondering what the difference was because I thought the drivetrains were identical on those model years. So I looked up the specs. Everything is the same except the diff ratio. On the 2010 its 3.478 for both 2 and 4wd. On the 2012 its still 3.478 for the 2wd but the 4wd is 2.928. Presumably the taller final drive ratio on the 2012 is providing better fuel economy? 

The 2019 has different drivetrain with an 8 speed automatic vs the 2010/2012 which have a 5 speed. So I would guess that would improve towing fuel economy, as well as highway fuel economy not towing. 


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: Wood River Pod
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2019 at 11:07am
That is interesting.  I’d get 14 on a flat road with no wind...but it would be short lived.  Mine seemd to downshift at a blink of the eye.  Also, totally depends of how the pod and rig are loaded.  We’d travel with some water in tanks.  We’d also have the TV loaded up with a yeti cooler loaded and gear.  I never weighted my tongue.  I could have been runnIng heavy.  Sounds like the new model with 8 speed will be an improvement over both of ours.  

On the break controller, our dealer installed a Curt.  Worked great with no issues.
Thanks


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Smith's in Hailey
Early 2017 179 HRE

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=9134&PN=1&title=wood-river-179-mods - Wood River Mods


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2019 at 11:41am
My taller gearing should make it downshift sooner. So maybe it does downshift but then finds a more efficient sweet spot in the next lower gear?  To be honest I haven't paid much attention, but I will next time I tow. I carry a honda 2kw genny in the Highlander but usually not a cooler. 

In any case, the 8 speeds and the more powerful engine in Mbearden's 2019 should do better. Just watch that tongue weight and it should be fine. 


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2019 at 12:17pm
There is also a significant difference depending on what you call "mountains". East of the Mississippi, it is difficult to find a "mountain" over 4,000 feet. West of the Mississippi, we routinely see 6,000 and 7,000 foot passes, and there are a few that go over 8,000 and 9,000 feet. We live in the coastal "mountains" south of San Francisco, which are in the 3000-4000 foot range, and we refer to them as the hills. The real mountains are when you reach the Sierra.

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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2019 at 12:21pm
Originally posted by Wood River Pod

When it was time to consider a new rig, we wanted to go with a v8 and higher tongue capacity which also provides higher tow capacity.  The Tahoe has 8,100 capacity with transmission tow mode and rear axle ratio better suited.  Also has the integrated break controller.  I've towed the pod once with the Tahoe.  Don't even know it was back there. 
You don't necessarily need a "V8". I would put our 3.5L EcoBoost up against any normally aspirated V8 up to about 6 liters. It has the torque/pulling power of a diesel without the diesel hassles, as well as the performance characteristics of a V8. On the highway, not pulling the R-pod we get mileage in the 21 MPG range. Pulling the pod, we get 12-14 MPG. With the 36 gallon tank, our bladders give out before the tank runs dry.

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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2019 at 12:39pm
GlueGuy, I've lived on both coasts. Used to drive 17 from Santa Cruz to San Jose daily, and I've been over the Sierra many times.  I'll put a trip over the Appalachians up against a trip over the Sierras any day. The coast range is one ridge of around 3000 ft, in parts of the Appalachians there are about 10 of those to go over, so probably more than 20,000 feet of total climb. Takes many many hours.  The Appalachians are in fact "mountains".

In any case, the only way to compare towing fuel efficiency is under flat ground/no wind conditions. There are way too many variables otherwise. 


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: Wood River Pod
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2019 at 4:07pm
With the Tahoe the v8 downgrades to a v4 on the highway.  On our way back from picking up the car  in Boise, we were hitting 25+ consistenly and hit 30 a few times.  Won't expect that with the pod on.  The one time I pulled the pod I saw lots of 15's.  We are heading to Lake Powell and Monument Valley for spring break this year.  I'll have better data after that trip.
Thanks


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Smith's in Hailey
Early 2017 179 HRE

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=9134&PN=1&title=wood-river-179-mods - Wood River Mods


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2019 at 8:36pm
I bet you all don't get good mileage crossing Tioga pass @ 9,943' or Sonora Pass @ 9,624'.  Now them's real mountains.  Tongue

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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2019 at 5:06am
Never driven over Sonora but I've been on CA120 over Tioga Pass many times. Piece of cake.  Starting from Lee Vining its just one 3000 ft climb of about 5 miles.  Pretty much all downhill from there. You'll get crappy fuel economy for that 5 miles but after that it will be pretty normal. Compare that to say US 250 from Elkins WV to Staunton VA. 8-10 2000 ft grades to climb in 100 miles. 

Fuel consumption in the mountains is all about the total vertical climb, not the altitude of the highest point of the route. Figure on about 1 gallon for every 3000 ft elevation change for a TV + Rpod, plus what you'd normally use on level ground. Unfortunately you rarely get any of that energy back going downhill with a conventional drivetrain, because engine or wheel braking will waste the stored energy. 

That's why hybrids and EV's do so well in city driving, the regen braking recovers a lot of the stored energy in the battery.  What we really need is a hybrid tow vehicle with a modest on board battery pack plus a larger plug in battery pack in the trailer. Now that would greatly improve rig fuel consumption in mountain driving plus provide lots of energy storage for boondocking. No generator needed, and if you have electricity at the campsite you could do your day trips and short moves on 100% electric. 


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2019 at 7:49am
Been over both passes in an old VW in the old days.  It was a long slow climb, but yes, you already start out pretty high on the eastern Sierra.  CA 104, Ebbetts Pass, is one of the steeper climbs, though the pass is not as high.  I haven't crossed the pass yet with our Pod, but some day I probably will.  The biggest problems is returning.  Brakes are really tested.

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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2019 at 3:42pm
The only thing worse than the hill climbing power of old VW's was their crappy brakes. The solution for old VW's or for going down a long grade towing an rPod is to assume you have no wheel brakes and only use engine braking.  Even good brakes aren't designed to dissipate all the energy from a 3000 ft descent, they're only designed to handle one or two stops from 60-70 mph. The heat generated from the descent is about 30x what you get in a stop from 60 mph. Your brakes would theoretically be white hot by the time you got to the bottom, but in the real world they would fade way before then.  Dead

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: TheBum
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2019 at 4:00pm
We had great success towing with a 2012 Highlander SE. We had no problems on steep grades up to about 9%; above that, we lost about 5 mph. It was front wheel drive, so it had problems on soft ground, but paved roads were fine. It was totaled in a hit-and-run accident a couple of months ago, right after we bought its successor (a 2019 Dodge Durango GT Plus AWD). We had planned to keep the Highlander as a second vehicle that could be used for towing in a pinch, but the accident foiled those plans.

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Alan
2022 R-Pod 196 "RaptoRPod"
2022 Ram 1500 Lone Star 4x4
Three cats


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2019 at 4:38pm
Wow, sorry you lost your Highlander, hopefully no one was injured in the accident.   



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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2019 at 5:59pm
If you want steep, may I suggest Old Priest Grade on Route 120 into Yosemite. I think it's rated as an 18% grade, with a couple of the more steep parts at 20% grade. Going up is not horrible if you have lots of horsepower and a first-rate cooling system. Going down is not for the faint of heart. We see smoking brakes almost every time we go by it at the bottom (on New Priest Grade). More than a few times we have watched fools sailing through the stop at the bottom because their brakes were shot. It is officially referred to as a "killer road".

Some decades ago, they built New Priest Grade. It's about 4X the distance, but the decent is much more manageable.


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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2019 at 5:27am
Yeah, I've been on that road - uphill in a passenger car. They don't allow RV's or trailers on it IIRC. Too bad, spoils all the fun LOL

Seriously though, those kind of roads (and there are plenty like that all through the Appalahians) are fine as long as you can select a low enough gear and take your time. The problem in CA seems to be that there are too many people on too few roads and for some reason they seem to think its a racetrack, so you're holding up traffic.  That kind of thing is a lot less common in the East in my experience. 


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: TheBum
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2019 at 11:07am
Originally posted by offgrid

Wow, sorry you lost your Highlander, hopefully no one was injured in the accident.   


My wife was driving and received a bad friction burn and bruise on her arm from the side curtain airbag, but that was it, other than the immediate mental trauma. Her passenger was unharmed. She was lucky: the other vehicle came head on through a red light and clipped the front driver's side of the Highlander. If he had hit another 6 inches in, she probably would have had serious injuries.

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Alan
2022 R-Pod 196 "RaptoRPod"
2022 Ram 1500 Lone Star 4x4
Three cats


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2019 at 11:45am
Sounds similar to the accident we had last year where a taxi driver went through a stop sign and my wife's aunt hit the front right fender of the taxi. We had bruised ribs but no permanent damage. There was no opportunity to avoid that accident either. Please give your wife our best wishes for a speedy recovery.


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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: TheBum
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2019 at 1:32pm
Originally posted by StephenH


Sounds similar to the accident we had last year where a taxi driver went through a stop sign and my wife's aunt hit the front right fender of the taxi. We had bruised ribs but no permanent damage. There was no opportunity to avoid that accident either. Please give your wife our best wishes for a speedy recovery.


We think what happened was he bottomed out on the hump of the road he was crossing and went airborne. My wife and other witnesses reported seeing sparks as he was careening into the Highlander. Fortunately, one of the witnesses followed the guy in his truck and was able to direct the police to where he stopped.

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Alan
2022 R-Pod 196 "RaptoRPod"
2022 Ram 1500 Lone Star 4x4
Three cats


Posted By: lonapete
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2021 at 10:13am
Hello,

Did you ever get someone to install a tow package on your 2019 Highlander? I'm hearing the same feedback and it's very frustrating as I bought the SUV because it's advertised that it can tow up to 5500lbs.

thanks for any feedback!


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2021 at 11:20pm
What feedback are you getting? Here is a detailed install video from etrailer, looks pretty much the same as when I did my 2012 Highlander. Took a couple of hours, no problems.

mailto:https://youtu.be/A86qSs9QsLE - 2019 highlander brake controller install

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: wthoms2000
Date Posted: 28 Sep 2021 at 11:09pm
I tow our 2017 1/2 179 HRE with my 2021 Ranger with its in-line 4 2.3 liter EcoBoost, with ten speed auto tranny. No probs flat and up hill! Around 12-14 mpg. Towing capacity is 7,500 lbs. Even use adaptive cruise control.

Did install a Reese friction sway control.

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Porta Poddy
Wil and Luz, Orange County, CA
2017.5 179 HRE
2021 Ranger XLT FX4
REDARC Brake Controller



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