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Topic: We're expecting! a 195 on the way
Posted By: k-countrycamper
Subject: We're expecting! a 195 on the way
Date Posted: 23 Mar 2019 at 9:43pm
Hi all; 
 New to the forum, My kids are grown and the hubby and I are downsizing from a 5th wheel to the rpod. We just happened to be looking at the same time the orders for 195's are going in. Our rationale for buying that one, is my husband is 6'4...His feet need to hang off the end of any bed we are in. ok, ok we just like the overall design, and the storage in this one is incredible.
But honestly I was really looking forward to an r-dome....sadly not an option on this model.
we will be towing with a Honda Ridgleline. 



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if you don't like my dog on the couch, you can show yourself out.

soon to be 2020 rpod 195
2007 dodge 2500 cummings diesel




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Posted By: crw8sr
Date Posted: 23 Mar 2019 at 10:04pm
Congratulations!

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Chuck & Lyn
Izzy, Morkie. RIP
Zoe Joy & Gracie, Yorkie
2018 R Pod 190   
2019 Traverse

In moments of adversity;when life's a total wreck, I think of those worse off than me and really feel like heck.


Posted By: k-countrycamper
Date Posted: 23 Mar 2019 at 10:11pm
thanks!!!Smile



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if you don't like my dog on the couch, you can show yourself out.

soon to be 2020 rpod 195
2007 dodge 2500 cummings diesel



Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2019 at 6:59am
Welcome!

I don't want to be a party pooper but I'd urge some caution on your trailer vs tow vehicle selection.  The 195 is a really large r-pod and the Ridgeline is a relatively light tow vehicle. The weight specs on the 195 aren't out yet but you can be sure its going to end up heavier than any of the other rpods.  And once you've loaded it it will almost certainly be a lot heaver than the unloaded vehicle weight would lead you to believe. 

Have you checked all your towing specs for your Ridgeline? There's more to it than just the tow rating, you need to look at tongue weight, max gross combined vehicle weight rating (including the weight of what you're going to be carrying in the Ridgeline), weight distribution hitch capability (you'll most likely want one for that rig), and trailer max frontal area limits (if there are any).  


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: k-countrycamper
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2019 at 9:16am
Thanks for your reply, we currently have a dodge 2500, we were going to go down to a 1/2 tonne but we were also looking for something fuel economical as it is his daily driver. 

Weight (dry) on the 195 is 3400. then plan on 250 for water, 200 for cargo. we don't know tongue weight yet.

tow capacity for the ridgeline is 5000, he is planning on putting airbags in the back suspension, definitely have sway bars. tongue weight capacity is 500lb. i can't see the 195 being more than 350 tongue weight but the specs aren't out yet on that.

Is this still a concern?  I appreciate any input!


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if you don't like my dog on the couch, you can show yourself out.

soon to be 2020 rpod 195
2007 dodge 2500 cummings diesel



Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2019 at 9:34am
Water is 300 lbs, the dry weight doesn't include the 6 gallons that sits in the water heater. The empty weight on rPods doesn't include any options, so if you have roof air add 100 lbs, 50 for a microwave. No battery either so add 50-60 lbs for that or 130 if you boondock and go to dual batteries. Add 40 lbs for a second propane cylinder. 

My 179 which is supposed to weigh 2750 empty and 292 on the tongue comes in at 550 on the tongue and 3700 lbs total. That's with water, dual batteries, and a single propane cylinder, maybe a couple of hundred pounds of gear. Travel trailer tongue and empty weights are very misleading. And so are tow vehicle specs, usually the trailer towing capacity assumes there is just one skinny driver and nothing else in the tow vehicle. 

I tow my 179 with a Highlander, a similar spec vehicle to the Ridgeline, and I wouldn't tow in the mountains with anything lighter. And the "empty weight" of the 179 is about 650 lbs less than the 195. 

I  highly suggest you keep your Dodge until after you get your 195, fully equip it, and actually weigh it and its tongue. Take it on a couple of trips. Then decide what you're going to be comfortable with towing it with.  

Just my $0.02. 


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: k-countrycamper
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2019 at 9:51am
Offgrid you comments make complete sense. I hadn't thought of the base model without options.  We are getting AC and convection micro etc.  We are not in a huge hurry to trade out the dodge, so I think you are right, maybe we should do a few trips and weigh the sucker fully loaded. 
while most of my trips will only be 35 min to 1.5 hr away, I do live next to the rockies, and I would love to take the trailer to Jasper and into BC so we will definitely be crossing high mountain paths.

If you have any other tips and tricks please share!
  




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if you don't like my dog on the couch, you can show yourself out.

soon to be 2020 rpod 195
2007 dodge 2500 cummings diesel



Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2019 at 10:16am
k - welcome to the forum.  Hope you enjoy your new pod.

We live on the east side of the Sierras and are also only a short drive from wonderful camping spots, but I have to say, I am glad our Dakota is well matched to the weight we are pulling.  Heading up some some of the passes in the Sierra is a challenge and if the TV wasn't really up to it, you'd be frustrated quickly.  


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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2019 at 11:09am
If you really want to fully understand what you have, take a look at this calculator. When you get your new trailer,  load it and your TV.  You can then run through a public scale and add an axle at a time, then subtract to get the load on each. Then drop the trailer and run the TV through one axle at a time and you can get both the axle weights of the TV and the tongue weight by subtracting the TV axles total weight with and without the trailer. If you have any questions feel free to either PM me or ask on the forum. 

Plug all this in the calculator and it will tell you how you're doing against your specs, and also what a weight distribution hitch could do for you. With the Dodge I don't imagine you'll need one, but if you go to a lighter TV you probably will.  

http://www.ajdesigner.com/apptrailertow/weightdistributionhitch.php - http://www.ajdesigner.com/apptrailertow/weightdistributionhitch.php

One other unanswered question about the 195 is what axle FR is going to be putting on it. The 3500 lb axles on the other rPods and the tires and wheels being used are a bit on the light side so have had some issues on the heavier pods. This gets worse with a weight distribution setup because that redistributes some weight from the hitch to the trailer axle as well as to the TV front axle. Hopefully this new even heavier pod will have a heavier axle, tires and wheels. If not you can as a minimum upgrade your tires to a higher load rating. 

Have fun with your new trailer!


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: podwerkz
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2019 at 11:10am
Is the Ridgeline FWD or AWD? Towing ratings are lower for the FWD. 

The 195 is also a bit wider, so towing mirrors might be needed for the Ridgeline, and the frontal area will be increased, along with the A/C unit up top and the awning which add both weight and wind drag. Not to mention all the storage space, the big pantry, and the big fridge that you will probaby fill up quickly. 

Then add dual propane tanks, dual batteries, and maybe a generator and gas for that in the tow vehicle, and you will have a big load on the Ridgeline. I'm guessing full curb weight will be right around 4500 when its all said and done, putting the tongue weight around 500.

http://www.autoguide.com/manufacturer/2017-honda-ridgeline-towing-review - https://www.autoguide.com/manufacturer/2017-honda-ridgeline-towing-review




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r・pod 171 gone but not forgotten!


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2019 at 11:14am
I will concur what offgrid is saying. If the dry weight of the 195 is 3400 lbs, then the full up weight could be well over 4400 lbs. See if you can find out what the cargo capacity will be. If it is around 1000 lbs, then the weight you should have in mind is going to be in the 4400 lb neighborhood. Then figure about 12% tongue weight, and you're talking about 530 lbs on the tongue. Don't be in too big a hurry to abandon that Dodge. You may not need it, but you're getting close to the wire with a Ridgeline.

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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2019 at 11:17am
If a 195 gets set up with all that stuff on the tongue, plus water in the tank, it could easily go over 600 lbs on the tongue, depending on where the tank is placed. If I added another propane cylinder to my 179 it would be at 590 lbs or so. Then there is that nice 8-10 inch foam mattressLOL....

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: mjlrpod
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2019 at 3:30pm
One thing nobody has mentioned is, the pass through storage, and (i'm guessing) under the bed storage will be a direct effect on tongue weight. To me water isn't much of a concern since i can choose to fill, or not fill. I would think the water tank is in the rear, near the sink, and the bathroom. Wouldn't make much sense to have it elsewhere. I figure the lay out will be the same as my 172. The black and grey just before the axle, the fresh just after the axle. It might help the tongue to run with water in the fresh tank.  I can't wait to see the 195 in person so I can decide if I'm buying, so I hope you'll let us know how it is. 

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2017.5 Rp-172
2020 R-pod 195
2015 Frontier sv 4.0L 6cyl
I'll be rpodding


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2019 at 4:18pm
Originally posted by mjlrpod

One thing nobody has mentioned is, the pass through storage, and (i'm guessing) under the bed storage will be a direct effect on tongue weight. To me water isn't much of a concern since i can choose to fill, or not fill. I would think the water tank is in the rear, near the sink, and the bathroom. Wouldn't make much sense to have it elsewhere. I figure the lay out will be the same as my 172. The black and grey just before the axle, the fresh just after the axle. It might help the tongue to run with water in the fresh tank.  I can't wait to see the 195 in person so I can decide if I'm buying, so I hope you'll let us know how it is. 
The 195 is very similar in layout to the 179; kitchen, bathroom, bed, pass through,  and dinette/slide-out in almost exactly the same places. The major differences are the width and length. So I would expect the tanks to be similar as well. Will be curious how it turns out in any case.

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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2019 at 7:16pm
Yes, it seems very similar to the 179 to me as well. Hard to imagine that any of the weights will be lower,  but let's wait and see...

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: k-countrycamper
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2019 at 10:30pm
Thank-you so much Offgrid! that is excellent information. We don't have a lot of experience with a tow behind as we always had a fifth wheel and these are great points and great advice! We will keep the dodge for now, but excellent to know how to do our own weights and calculations.

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if you don't like my dog on the couch, you can show yourself out.

soon to be 2020 rpod 195
2007 dodge 2500 cummings diesel



Posted By: k-countrycamper
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2019 at 10:35pm
Yes, we are not sure where the tanks are yet either but we sure will find out when we get it. We do like to travel with our own water from home if possible, so we will have to see how that effects the pull. I will let you know how it goes and what we find. Thanks!

Its a whole different world with a tow-behind.


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if you don't like my dog on the couch, you can show yourself out.

soon to be 2020 rpod 195
2007 dodge 2500 cummings diesel



Posted By: k-countrycamper
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2019 at 10:37pm
Originally posted by mjlrpod

One thing nobody has mentioned is, the pass through storage, and (i'm guessing) under the bed storage will be a direct effect on tongue weight. To me water isn't much of a concern since i can choose to fill, or not fill. I would think the water tank is in the rear, near the sink, and the bathroom. Wouldn't make much sense to have it elsewhere. I figure the lay out will be the same as my 172. The black and grey just before the axle, the fresh just after the axle. It might help the tongue to run with water in the fresh tank.  I can't wait to see the 195 in person so I can decide if I'm buying, so I hope you'll let us know how it is. 

I will let you know where the tanks are after we get it mid may hopefully. Thanks for the input, great counter-weight idea!


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if you don't like my dog on the couch, you can show yourself out.

soon to be 2020 rpod 195
2007 dodge 2500 cummings diesel



Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2019 at 7:19am
I'm betting the 195 tank layout is very much like the 179's. The black tank has to be under the head. There are "solid" reasons for that LOL. For similar drainage reasons the gray tank has to be near the shower and kitchen sink.  That leaves a forward position for the fresh tank as the only real option I think.


Wherever the tanks are unless you have water and a dump station at or near your destination you can't practically speaking "tune" your tongue weight by shifting water around between tanks.  It will be where it will be, and it will change the tongue weight while you're camping,  sometimes by a lot. In the case of my 179, converting 30 gallons of fresh water into 30 gallons of mostly gray water reduces my tongue weight by about 130 lbs. 

This change can be good or bad depending on where you were to start with. You can have too much weight on the tongue under one loading condition and little in another. Too little can result in trailer sway. The general rule of thumb (which appears to hold up based on rPodders' experiences on this forum) is to always keep the tongue weight above 10-11% to avoid sway. 

You don't have to weigh your trailer more than once to figure out the effects of moving weight around though. Its a pretty easy calculation once you have the known tongue weight under a known condition. The math is:

For loads in front of the trailer axle:

tongue weight change  = (load added or removed)/(distance to tongue from axle)X(distance to load from axle). Heavier for added weight, lighter for removed weight. Measure the distance from the center of the axle to the center of the load. 

The same formula applies for loads behind the axle, but reversed (lighter for added loads, heavier for loads removed). 

And yes, weight and balance on a travel trailer with a lighter tow vehicle is more of a concern than in a big 'ol 5er towed by a 1 ton dually LOL. But it absolutely can be done safely and comfortably, and once you've got your weights under the load-outs you're planning, and are comfortable with the results and the way your rig handles, you won't need to ever worry about it again unless you change something significant.
 




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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: k-countrycamper
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2019 at 9:36pm
Originally posted by offgrid

I'm betting the 195 tank layout is very much like the 179's. The black tank has to be under the head. There are "solid" reasons for that LOL. For similar drainage reasons the gray tank has to be near the shower and kitchen sink.  That leaves a forward position for the fresh tank as the only real option I think.


Wherever the tanks are unless you have water and a dump station at or near your destination you can't practically speaking "tune" your tongue weight by shifting water around between tanks.  It will be where it will be, and it will change the tongue weight while you're camping,  sometimes by a lot. In the case of my 179, converting 30 gallons of fresh water into 30 gallons of mostly gray water reduces my tongue weight by about 130 lbs. 

This change can be good or bad depending on where you were to start with. You can have too much weight on the tongue under one loading condition and little in another. Too little can result in trailer sway. The general rule of thumb (which appears to hold up based on rPodders' experiences on this forum) is to always keep the tongue weight above 10-11% to avoid sway. 

You don't have to weigh your trailer more than once to figure out the effects of moving weight around though. Its a pretty easy calculation once you have the known tongue weight under a known condition. The math is:

For loads in front of the trailer axle:

tongue weight change  = (load added or removed)/(distance to tongue from axle)X(distance to load from axle). Heavier for added weight, lighter for removed weight. Measure the distance from the center of the axle to the center of the load. 

The same formula applies for loads behind the axle, but reversed (lighter for added loads, heavier for loads removed). 

And yes, weight and balance on a travel trailer with a lighter tow vehicle is more of a concern than in a big 'ol 5er towed by a 1 ton dually LOL. But it absolutely can be done safely and comfortably, and once you've got your weights under the load-outs you're planning, and are comfortable with the results and the way your rig handles, you won't need to ever worry about it again unless you change something significant.
 



Thanks Offgrid! great info again. I put the deposit down today. The dealer didn't know the exact tongue weight but just said it would be 10% of dry weight, (which is 3400lb with the Hood river package), so obviously that will go up and down with load. we will keep the dodge for know until we get used to the unit.   We are not stressed about it, my husband is a mechanic, we likely will get a weight distribution hitch, and will for sure get sway bars, and we are decent for equalizing loads and weight.  And we will be installing air bags on rear truck coils....we have those now with the 5th wheel and wow what a difference.

I will post pics and give as much info as i can when I get it.

Cheers


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if you don't like my dog on the couch, you can show yourself out.

soon to be 2020 rpod 195
2007 dodge 2500 cummings diesel



Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2019 at 5:42am
Sounds good. Just expect that you might wind up with a nice F150 rather than the also nice Honda Ridgeline in order to have a towing capacity you're comfortable with for the 195. They get about the same non-towing fuel economy so its not really a loss of efficiency as a daily driver. 

Have fun!


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: EchoGale
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2019 at 8:25am
Hi there!

I'm new here too and I've found this forum fun and helpful.  Its nice to meet you.

Julie


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Julie


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2019 at 2:11pm
Hi Julie, welcome. 

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: AgedWhine
Date Posted: 31 Mar 2019 at 9:17am
Congrats!!!🎈 

We to have placed our order.  195 baby is in the oven.  Hopefully will get delivery near the end of April. 
I do have a question.  We are planning on having the slide topper installed before we pick the 195 up. 
Any pros or cons with the slide toppers on the rpod???  I sure would welcome any information about your experience. 

Thanks 


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...On the road again! Just can’t wait to get on the road again....



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