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Topic: Riding on spare
Posted By: mesamie
Subject: Riding on spare
Date Posted: 23 Jun 2019 at 9:25am
Any issue with riding long distance on Rpod 179 spare tire ? One melted, had it replaced but they only had one, so swamped the other out with spare, to have have 2 new treaded tires.....any problem with this logic ? On a long trip.



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Posted By: furpod
Date Posted: 23 Jun 2019 at 10:58am
The spare, as provided by FR, is exactly the same tire as the two on the ground, only difference is a ugly steel wheel versus a less ugly aluminum wheel. 

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Posted By: mesamie
Date Posted: 23 Jun 2019 at 11:07am
Thanks a bunch, thought so. Just so grateful the other didn't blow, huge are of pure cord showing.


Posted By: Happy Tripping
Date Posted: 23 Jun 2019 at 6:49pm
Please give us a little more detail about your tire situation. 

One tire should not be worn that much more than the other unless maybe it is defective or something else is going on like maybe (I hate to say it) you have a bent axle.


Posted By: riotkayak284
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2019 at 12:47pm
You are fine for a few hundred miles. But not a long term solution.


Posted By: john in idaho
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2019 at 10:28am
Next time get some E - rated tires.  also check the axle alignment.


Posted By: Happy Tripping
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2019 at 11:17am
Originally posted by riotkayak284

You are fine for a few hundred miles. But not a long term solution.

Please explain this more. If the tires are as Furpod says, the same ...?


Posted By: Happy Tripping
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2019 at 11:18am
Originally posted by john in idaho

Next time get some E - rated tires. 

Why do you recommend E-rated tires. It would seem that's over-kill for an r-pod (?)


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2019 at 11:59am
Originally posted by Happy Tripping

Originally posted by john in idaho

Next time get some E - rated tires. 

Why do you recommend E-rated tires. It would seem that's over-kill for an r-pod (?)
In my opinion, yes. But... everybody's different. When we replace our tires (we have another couple years left), we will go with load range D. My thought is that D-rated is plenty strong enough, and E-rated are too stiff for the light weight of an R-pod.

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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2019 at 2:54pm
I agree on the LRD rating. 15 inch LRDs are/can be rated at 2500 lbs, 40%
higher than the axle they run on. Should be plenty and less stiff than LREs. That’s good because at least so far reported axle failures aren’t catastrophic while a tire blowout can ruin your whole day. Consider the wheel rating as well, the stock 14 inch wheels are only rated at 1750 like the axle and stock tires.


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2019 at 4:48pm
Happy tripping,

I have had excellent experience with D rated tires on a 14" rim, I didn't see need to go to 15" rims. Some do. My only thought was don't be caught without a spare. You need three tires.

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Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2019 at 7:26am
Turned out for me that once I added in what it would have cost to get new 14 inch tires mounted on my existing wheels and subtracted what I was able to get for the old tires and wheels on Craigslist I was ahead buying pre mounted 15 inch 2500 lb rated tires and wheels.

The point is that your overall load capacity is no better than your weakest part, so consider both your requirements and each link in the chain when doing an upgrade. For me since I’ve reinforced the axle tube my weakest point is now probably going to be the other axle components (spindle/torsion system). My 179 is heavy. If you have a lighter rpod, don’t boondock, and your axle isn’t carrying in a lot of load then just a tire upgrade when it comes time to replace the OEM tires is fine.

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2019 at 8:59am
Originally posted by mcarter

Happy tripping,

I have had excellent experience with D rated tires on a 14" rim, I didn't see need to go to 15" rims. Some do. My only thought was don't be caught without a spare. You need three tires.
+1. Don't upgrade your tires without also upgrading the spare. I also opted for the LR D tires on the 14" rims and have had good performance from them.


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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2019 at 5:14pm
SH,

I admit I didn't do that because of the odd wheel. I will never add spare to side by side rotation, which I do yearly. To me it's a temp tire to get me to repair. I have been looking for a third wheel, however if I did that, I'd go with Offgrid and just upgrade to 15s with 3 matching wheels. Definitely something to think about :)

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Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2019 at 5:23pm
I’ve never believed in tire rotation on any vehicle.. My feeling is that it conceals alignment problems. I’d rather know I have a problem and address it. As far as front vs rear wear is concerned on a modern Fwd vehicle the fronts wear out about twice as fast as the rears and I’d rather replace two tires at a time than 4. That’s just me, everyone has their own way of doing things.

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2019 at 6:00pm
OffGrid,

Understand, but if the tires show no alignment or abnormal wear, I believe you'll get more longevity on a set by rotation. I think you have to look at abnormal wear and make a decision and agree it won't be solved by rotation.

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Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2019 at 8:55pm
I was not talking about rotation, just that the spare should also be a LR D tire if the two on the ground are. Plus, if the spare is several years old, even if it is unused, it is at risk of failure from everything I have read. Better to have a spare that one can be fairly confident that it will be ready and won't fail, even if tires are not being rotated.

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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2019 at 8:44am
Originally posted by mcarter

OffGrid,

Understand, but if the tires show no alignment or abnormal wear, I believe you'll get more longevity on a set by rotation. I think you have to look at abnormal wear and make a decision and agree it won't be solved by rotation.


Not arguing, just learing, I might have missed something. If tires are wearing evenly why do you think you’ll get more longevity by moving them?

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2019 at 4:23pm
Good question, maybe we could ask every tire maker who suggests rotation, maybe they are just BSing us.

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Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."


Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2019 at 4:45pm
Actually with no tire wear, rotation on a trailer is an owner decision, on a vehicle I completely understand the requirement, the fronts corner and turn, the rears track. There is more wear associated with front tires than rears, especially in a front wheel drive vehicle. Rotation increases the longevity of a 4 wheel set.

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Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2019 at 4:16am
Yeah, I agree on the 4 wheel set, if you want to wear out all 4 tires on a vehicle at once, then by all means rotate them. That's particularly a good idea if you want to extend tire life because you're planning to sell or trade pretty soon. 

Since I'm cheap and keep my vehicles pretty much forever unless someone hits me, I just leave the tires where they are. I have found on my fwd passenger vehicles that the rears last somewhere between 1.5 and 2x as long as the fronts. I end up buying two tires at a time rather than 4. I like that for the same reason I keep my cars forever. Tongue

On a drive axle you probably want to change both sides at once to minimize differential wear and to allow the vehicle's ABS to work optimally. I don't think it matters on a trailer axle as long as the tread depth is adequate on both tires. For that matter if you have 15 inch wheels but run a 14 inch spare on an rPod axle until a new tire can be bought I don't think that matters much either, but I'd be interested in other's thoughts on that one. 




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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2019 at 10:15pm
We rotate the tires on our vehicles every 5000-6000 miles. We buy them from America's Tire, and they rotate them for no charge. They also inspect and re-balance them if needed (also a free service). This does even out the wear pattern, and with the periodic inspections, we get an earlier warning if something might be going wrong.

As for the R-pod, I'm not sure if rotation would be needed. For one thing, the wheels are not driven. nor do they steer. They also are more inclined to die from old age than from wear, so an inspection (by me) before and after each tow, and you should be able to determine if something is not quite right.


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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: mesamie
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2019 at 7:47am
Well, I am the one who started this thread, when out on a 4500 + mile trip. I did ride on the "never used "'spare, it ripped apart after 1200 miles, tore off my metal fender ( it is on a hwy somewhere near Cortez, Co) and blew right through my brake wires as well. This was on the opposite side as the original flat. Bought 2 new radial tires this time, not D. Arrived home about another 1200 miles later, they both look great. Have NO idea what works best, just know this was a pain in the....but glad that both flats just so happen to NOT be in the middle of nowhere, which we spent 100's of miles on.
R-poding is an adventure ! 

FYI, the one thing I did learn was 6 national parks, 4687 miles, 5 states, was way too much to cram into 2.5 weeks. Every 2 days we were onto the next place. Don't get me wrong...awesome time with my 12 year old, next time we will park it and "relax" more ! 

Happy camping


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2019 at 8:25am
What year is the R-pod? 

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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: Happy Tripping
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2019 at 2:43pm
Originally posted by mesamie

Just so grateful the other didn't blow, huge are of pure cord showing.

Blowing 2 tires is unusual, of course, and very unfortunate.

I still don't understand - Which tire had the cord showing?

 Were you able to check the tire pressure before they blew?


Posted By: mesamie
Date Posted: 08 Jul 2019 at 7:26am
The tire with the cord showing was the original 14" that came with Rpod. checked the pressure when we began the trip. Filled both tires the morning the 2nd one blew all the rubber off.


Posted By: mesamie
Date Posted: 08 Jul 2019 at 7:28am
2016 179


Posted By: Ephi82
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2019 at 7:30pm
My IPod is a little over a year old, I’d say it’s gone about 4,000 miles.   On my trip today, a primary tire disintegrated, and the spare did the same an hour after putting it on.  I’m not a happy customer! 

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Grillin and Chillin
Glamping and Amping
Driving and Smiling


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2019 at 2:00am
Originally posted by Ephi82

My IPod is a little over a year old, I’d say it’s gone about 4,000 miles.   On my trip today, a primary tire disintegrated, and the spare did the same an hour after putting it on.  I’m not a happy customer! 

What model RPod? What tires and how old were they? Were they Load Range C or D? What was the tire pressure? How old were they?

Age matters. Tires can look almost new and still be dangerous if they are several years old. The rubber deteriorates over time even if not many miles are put on them. What was the DOT date on the tires that blew out?

Speed matters. If you were towing above 65 MPH, you were going too fast. The stock LR C tires are not meant for high-speed travel.

Inflation matters. If they were underinflated, that could lead to heat build-up and tire failure.

The RPod model matters as well. We have an RP179. The original tires were LR C and marginal at best. I switched to LR D tires for an extra margin of safety. I also limit my speed to 60 mph or lower and very rarely exceed that, mostly on downhill runs.

Where you travel and the roads can also have an impact on tire life. If you are in areas of extreme heat, that could also be adding stress t the tires so that when coupled with some road hazards such as potholes, could contribute to tire failure.

I understand your frustration with the situation. I hope you get repairs done quickly and can get back to camping which should hopefully help you feel better.


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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: Ephi82
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2019 at 5:44am
Tires were what came with the 179. 15” D rating. Inflated to 65 psi, my speed was 65.   

One flat, bad luck.  

Two tires exploding, knocking the fender off, that’s defective products


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Grillin and Chillin
Glamping and Amping
Driving and Smiling


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2019 at 10:03am
LR D tires are not standard. On a 179, 15" tires would indicate that yours is a HRE?

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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2019 at 1:53pm
However, Florida would not be in the area for HRE models.
We have over 30,000 miles on our RPod. A number of those were on the load range C 14" tires that came with the 'Pod. I switched for Carlisle 14" LRD tires and have replaced one that was wearing excessively with cupping. Since that, the brakes on that side and the bearings have been replaced. I was having camber issues (tires wearing on the inside edge), so the axle was replaced last year. I keep a close watch on the tires to make sure they are not getting too hot, loosing air, picking up nails, or showing abnormal wear. So far, we have avoided blowouts.

I hope you get good replacement tires. I've been happy with the Carlisles. Please take the time to file a report with the NHTSA. If tires are blowing out, it will help to pinpoint which types and brands and may help get them recalled and off the road.


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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2019 at 4:16pm
GlueGuy,

On a new Pod? I thought they came with 15s, HRE or not.

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Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."


Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2019 at 4:20pm
Specs say they do. 15s not 14s.

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Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."


Posted By: Ephi82
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2019 at 6:20pm
179 do come with 15’s. Not all of them, I think it’s an option. 

I didn’t screw around, I bought 2x Goodyear’s, $120 each.  If I have some down time, and I will, I will get a third. 

I love my Grand Cherokee Hemi, with full factory tow package and an added brake controller.  It handled the blow outs effortlessly, I had to cross two lanes of traffic to pull over.  Rock solid.  The trailer hardly wagged. 

I’m going to contact Forrest River.  Two tires disintegrating on a one year old camper is not normal.  I did everything by the book.  The fender and light got destroyed, ripped right off, and I’m out $240 for the tires and a night hotel stay.  

I’ve not dealt with them yet.  How’s there customer service? 


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Grillin and Chillin
Glamping and Amping
Driving and Smiling


Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2019 at 6:25pm
According to brochure specs, under running gear, the new Pods come with 15" D rated tires. No options listed. My 2015 178 came with 14" C rated tires.

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Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2019 at 7:50pm
The 14" LR C tires were stock on our 2016 179.


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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: seafans
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2019 at 8:17pm
I purchased a new road wheel from Forest River and mounted the spare tire on an aluminum wheel that matched.  The difference i found out when mounting the aluminum wheel on the carrier it does not fit very well.  The flange on the steel wheel is centered more on the tire than the aluminum wheel, the aluminum wheel flange is slightly offset.  The steel wheel and factory wheel will not track the same.  I do not see any clearance issue tho.  


Posted By: mesamie
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2019 at 12:35pm
hello, I am the one that started this thread on the tire blow out issue, also ripped off a fender/lights and electric brake lines as well.
Have you contacted Forest River yet ? Any luck ?


Posted By: burnerjohnmichael
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2019 at 6:26pm
WOW, I lost the left tire on the road on Monday, September 2nd. Either the tire blew out and took out the left fender or the fender took out the tire. The 3" black water valve was taken out as well.Angry That's been reordered through Amazon, but I'm wondering if the self tapping screws used to insert the fender on to my rpod 171 are appropriate to hold the fenders on for long trips.
I'm looking at different tires in the future rather than the Ridgway ST205/75R14's that came with the unit. 6PR Load range EC Speed rating "L" 75 MPH max. 
Goodyear endurance?


Posted By: Pod People
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2019 at 7:42pm
We purchased Goodyear Endurance in the load range D and I think they are 215/75r14. we have had them for about 1 1/2 years and had no problems.  they are noticeably stiffer and heavier than our previous tires.  I check the air every day when traveling and they do not leak. I think the ride seems much smoother .
Vann


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Vann & Laura 2015 RPod 179
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