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Topic: RPod 177 Furnace Deflector
Posted By: geewizard
Subject: RPod 177 Furnace Deflector
Date Posted: 08 Jul 2019 at 4:34pm
I was inspired by the other furnace heat deflector projects on this forum and made my own.  Given that I have a 177, the other furnace mods didn't fit.

Parts:

9 x 13 cake pan, Target, $1.99
misc. tin for cold air intake
heat resistant black paint
screws and pop rivets
Trim Lock metal edge trim (on order)


Tools:

tape measure
aviation tin snips
pop rivet tool
rubber mallet
vice
drill and bits

I think the photos say it all.








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2021 Winnebago Micro Minnie 1708FB
2017 R-Pod 177 (Blue) HRE SOLD
2004 Outfitter Apex 8 camper
2014 Toyota Tundra DC



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Posted By: bhesse
Date Posted: 08 Jul 2019 at 5:58pm
have you tried it out yet, is there enough flow for both?


Posted By: geewizard
Date Posted: 08 Jul 2019 at 7:05pm
Yes and yes.

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2021 Winnebago Micro Minnie 1708FB
2017 R-Pod 177 (Blue) HRE SOLD
2004 Outfitter Apex 8 camper
2014 Toyota Tundra DC


Posted By: voisj
Date Posted: 10 Jul 2019 at 1:27pm
Love your take on this! one much simpler than the one I built.
I'm picking up my new 180 in Iowa on my way back East August 1st and I plan to make one for it while I was out east, I may just take your idea!
Thanks, John

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http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=9426&title=slopod-180-mods-johnsue - SLOPODMODS
John&Sue,SLO,CA
2016 180 HRE, 2013 F150 Eco Boost
 


Posted By: geewizard
Date Posted: 11 Jul 2019 at 8:04am
Originally posted by voisj

Love your take on this! one much simpler than the one I built.
I'm picking up my new 180 in Iowa on my way back East August 1st and I plan to make one for it while I was out east, I may just take your idea!
Thanks, John


John, I liked your design a lot and thought I'd copy it but the 177 furnace is mounted 180 degrees to yours.  So, I had to come up with something else instead.

I received the edge trim yesterday and installed it on the cut edge of the cake pan and on part of the cool air intake. This addition makes it look more finished and hides my imperfections too!  I also used black silicone caulk on the cool air intake box seams.  The "wave" in the front lip goes away when the grill is tightened down with the mounting screws.

Exchanging ideas and solutions is one of the reasons this forum is so good!

Bob








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2021 Winnebago Micro Minnie 1708FB
2017 R-Pod 177 (Blue) HRE SOLD
2004 Outfitter Apex 8 camper
2014 Toyota Tundra DC


Posted By: Wood River Pod
Date Posted: 11 Jul 2019 at 11:14pm
Great idea!  I really like how simple it is.  I have a 179, and my diverter would need to vent out into my pod from the opposite side as the air intake.  So I was thinking...there are three sets of vertical vents.  The third vertical (or farthest right) stack is where the intake is based on these photos.  Couldn’t I use the cake pan to only divert the first two stacks of vertical vents (farthest left and middle) and leave the right stack with the intake uncovered completely?  Would that work?  

Stephen, you’ve had to think about this when you saw it.  It should allow plenty of intake under the bed while the pan diverter blows the majority of the heat into the cabin from the first two stacks.  Can it be that simple?  

Ok, poke holes in it. 
As always, thanks for the ideas and recommendations.
Jeff


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Smith's in Hailey
Early 2017 179 HRE

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=9134&PN=1&title=wood-river-179-mods - Wood River Mods


Posted By: voisj
Date Posted: 11 Jul 2019 at 11:40pm
WRP,
I like this idea.
In my 180 blowing all the air
Straight down the pod had a drawback. The thermostat is in a direct line of airflow from the air deflector on the bathroom wall. When it was really cold(40 degrees or less) the warm air would shut the thermostat off sometimes and not keep the bed end as warm as the bathroom area, and the furnace would cycle off and on more during the night.
Rgds ,John

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John&Sue,SLO,CA
2016 180 HRE, 2013 F150 Eco Boost
 


Posted By: geewizard
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2019 at 9:02am
Originally posted by Wood River Pod

Great idea!  I really like how simple it is.  I have a 179, and my diverter would need to vent out into my pod from the opposite side as the air intake.  So I was thinking...there are three sets of vertical vents.  The third vertical (or farthest right) stack is where the intake is based on these photos.  Couldn’t I use the cake pan to only divert the first two stacks of vertical vents (farthest left and middle) and leave the right stack with the intake uncovered completely?  Would that work?  

Stephen, you’ve had to think about this when you saw it.  It should allow plenty of intake under the bed while the pan diverter blows the majority of the heat into the cabin from the first two stacks.  Can it be that simple?  

Ok, poke holes in it. 
As always, thanks for the ideas and recommendations.
Jeff


Jeff,

I think it's important to divert hot air output from the air intake of the furnace.  The top half of the right-most vents is hot air while the lower portion (where my tin box is mounted) is the air intake.
My furnace is mounted on the opposite side as yours under the bed and that's why I felt the need to make the air intake box.

I think your idea would work just fine.

Bob


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2021 Winnebago Micro Minnie 1708FB
2017 R-Pod 177 (Blue) HRE SOLD
2004 Outfitter Apex 8 camper
2014 Toyota Tundra DC


Posted By: podwerkz
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2019 at 10:17am
As an observer on this thread I have to wonder if the air flow thru the furnace heat exchanger is reduced with these deflectors.

Has anyone tried to simply put a small fan in that opening that will blow the heated air into the living space?


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r・pod 171 gone but not forgotten!


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2019 at 10:41am
Interesting question.

I'm sure it would reduce the airflow, the question is how much and what impact that has on heating capacity. Also, if the deflector worked to keep hot air from short cycling straight back into the furnace it could actually improve heat transfer to the room even if the airflow was less. 

Its hard to accurately measure airflow but if you cold quickly remove the deflecdtor you could measure the air temp coming off the furnace with and without it. If the temp went down without it you'd know that it was reducing airflow. 

That being said, unless the airflow reduction was substantial it probably doesn't make much difference in heating capacity. That wouldn't be true for a heat pump or a/c unit because to be efficient those work on a relatively low temp delta between the air and the heat exchanger, but a gas fired furnace heat exchanger runs hot anyway so it wouldn't be so critical. 


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: podwerkz
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2019 at 10:52am
Yes, reduced airflow might not mean less efficiency, but it might mean hotter exchanger temps and possibly over-temp sensor activation and maybe a shorter lifespan for the fan motor and the exchanger...

Restrictions in the airflow would possibly mean more current flow thru the motor windings. But we can assume there is some 'leeway' in the specs.

What I don't know is: does the deflector increase the noise level or reduce the noise level?

Just thinking outloud mainy....(no pun intended!)....the furnace in my 171 is located in the main cabinet facing outward, so it blows right into the 'living space' directly. 

With my 171, the interior volume is small, and the trailer seems to be insulated pretty well. No slide out and only four windows (five if you count the frosted glass in the door) so the 16,000 BTU furnace is way overkill. It heats the trailer up fast! Actually I have done some space heating (when it was cold) with just one burner on the stove on low for a little while and it could be used as a 'backup' heat source. (insert dire warnings here)






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r・pod 171 gone but not forgotten!


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2019 at 10:57am
Originally posted by podwerkz

As an observer on this thread I have to wonder if the air flow thru the furnace heat exchanger is reduced with these deflectors.

Has anyone tried to simply put a small fan in that opening that will blow the heated air into the living space?
That is exactly what I have been doing. I use an O2 Cool fan set next to the wardrobe end, figuring that the airflow from the furnace is headed that way. Then the rest of the opening is left for cold air return next to the furnace. I plug the fan into one of the 12V outlets I installed so I don't have to worry about carrying spare D-Cell batteries. It has worked quite well. However, I like the simplicity of this cake pan version. I think I now have the tools to be able to fabricate a diverter. The pan may form the foundation of one, taking the best of the various designs I have seen. I'm not sure about putting the U channel strip on though. There is a lot of heat there and I don't know how well that would hold up when placed on the output side. Covering the edge on the cold air return side should be okay though. I think I would try to just roll the edge of the output side so there are no sharp edges.

As for airflow, as long as the opening of the diverter has the same or more square inches as the output size of the furnace output, then it should be okay. If it has less, it would restrict the flow.


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Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

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Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: geewizard
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2019 at 11:56am
Originally posted by podwerkz

As an observer on this thread I have to wonder if the air flow thru the furnace heat exchanger is reduced with these deflectors.

Has anyone tried to simply put a small fan in that opening that will blow the heated air into the living space?


I sized my cake pan to have plenty of volume to try and match the existing vents and airflow.  Same with the air intake.

My goal was to redirect the furnace air flow out into the living space instead of under the bed primarily because I have a rolling drawer under the bed and it was interfering with the furnace as well as getting too hot.




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2021 Winnebago Micro Minnie 1708FB
2017 R-Pod 177 (Blue) HRE SOLD
2004 Outfitter Apex 8 camper
2014 Toyota Tundra DC


Posted By: podwerkz
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2019 at 12:15pm
Yeah you sure don't want your drawers getting hot!

Tongue


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r・pod 171 gone but not forgotten!


Posted By: geewizard
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2019 at 1:08pm
Indeed!  LOL

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2021 Winnebago Micro Minnie 1708FB
2017 R-Pod 177 (Blue) HRE SOLD
2004 Outfitter Apex 8 camper
2014 Toyota Tundra DC


Posted By: Pod People
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2019 at 5:31pm
I also used a cake pan for our 179. I thought it worked grat until I started reading this post.
My question --I did not realize that some part of the front vent cover was an air return. So, I covered the whole front grill with the pan.  It seemed to work ok and certainly redirected the warm air into the cabin instead of under the bed-my storage area which doesn't need the heat. I don't think it is any louder.  However, I am sure the air flow has been reduced simply because the air is now being pushed against a dead end and must make a right angle turn to get outside of the deflector pan.   It seems logical this has to decrease overall flow and/or strain the fan.

what harm does covering the whole face grill do without having air return space????That return is not for combustion air so I am confused.

Is there another way to deflect the air so the cargo area is not overheated and still leave proper air return on a 179?? I don't want to use a fan, but some type of physical deflector.
Thanks as always for all of the great ideas.
Vann


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Posted By: podwerkz
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2019 at 5:54pm
If the home-made deflector causes heated air to re-enter the intake, then that might cause overheating issues, but if yours is working, then probably no harm is being done.

Still, I would try to separate the return air intake from the heated air outlet.


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r・pod 171 gone but not forgotten!


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2019 at 7:27pm
If you are just redirecting heated air right back into the furnace that hot air is not doing any space heating, so its counterproductive, and might cause overheating. If you measure the temp of outlet air from the heater with and without the pan then you could see how much of an issue you actually have. If its a few degrees its probably nothing to worry about, if its 15-20 degrees or more I'd start being concerned, and would try to work out a way to separate the outlet from the return air if you can, as podwerks suggests. 

I have a 179 too and was thinking about just placing a lightweight aluminum plate at an angle midway in the under bed storage area in order to divert air into the room while still leaving a large area for air to flow in and out to the heater. 


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: geewizard
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2019 at 7:37pm
Originally posted by Pod People

I also used a cake pan for our 179. I thought it worked grat until I started reading this post.
My question --I did not realize that some part of the front vent cover was an air return. So, I covered the whole front grill with the pan.  It seemed to work ok and certainly redirected the warm air into the cabin instead of under the bed-my storage area which doesn't need the heat. I don't think it is any louder.  However, I am sure the air flow has been reduced simply because the air is now being pushed against a dead end and must make a right angle turn to get outside of the deflector pan.   It seems logical this has to decrease overall flow and/or strain the fan.

what harm does covering the whole face grill do without having air return space????That return is not for combustion air so I am confused.

Is there another way to deflect the air so the cargo area is not overheated and still leave proper air return on a 179?? I don't want to use a fan, but some type of physical deflector.
Thanks as always for all of the great ideas.
Vann


Cut the end off the cake pan so the air shoots straight out.

The air return is important.  All forced air furnaces require a cold air return whether in your RV or in your house.  That's why I went to the effort to make a separate "air duct" for mine.


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2021 Winnebago Micro Minnie 1708FB
2017 R-Pod 177 (Blue) HRE SOLD
2004 Outfitter Apex 8 camper
2014 Toyota Tundra DC



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