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Topic: R-Pods vs. Class A motorhome
Posted By: jato
Subject: R-Pods vs. Class A motorhome
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2019 at 12:48pm
Just finished an interesting discussion with my neighbor and his friend who just came up from Florida with his 4 year old 34 foot Class A motorhome(name of motorhome is not given to protect the guilty).  He proceeded to tell me all the 'issues' he has had with his $ 400,000 investment, from leaks to electrical problems, plumbing problems, leaky tanks and issues with their GM 455 HP diesel engine.  He has had it in for repairs more than he has been able to enjoy. 

So . . . . . . I was asked about all the issues I have had with my 8+ year old 177.  I had to think long and hard because there haven't been any serious ones, a few small problems like having to add a lift kit last year because I was toasting to many rear risers.  Just last week we had our first big expense ever on the pod, and that was to repair the furnace at a price of $ 350  but other than that, it has been amazingly trouble-free.

My point is that I hear a lot about all the problems r-pods have but so do the big guys who spend more money on their Class A's than my home is worth.  As we have heard on this forum "when you travel with your home behind you at 60mph on roads that are anywhere from nice to bumpy enough to make your dentures fall out, things are going to happen.


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God's pod
'11 model 177
'17 Ford F-150 4WD 3.5 Ecoboost
Jim and Diane by beautiful Torch Lake
"...and you will know the Truth and the Truth will set you free."



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Posted By: podwerkz
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2019 at 2:21pm
Never heard of a GM 455 hp diesel, (unless that is a reference to the Detroit engines)  but yeah, more complex things have more complex problems.

I see these youtube videos with RVs that are plagued with problems. Yeah my r-pod has had a couple of minor issues but nothing worth even bothering the dealer with.




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r・pod 171 gone but not forgotten!


Posted By: jato
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2019 at 3:49pm
my neighbor is 80 and his friend with the motorhome is almost there as well.  Will have to go back and verify engine size, if he can rememberConfused

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God's pod
'11 model 177
'17 Ford F-150 4WD 3.5 Ecoboost
Jim and Diane by beautiful Torch Lake
"...and you will know the Truth and the Truth will set you free."


Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2019 at 3:49pm
Probably a 8.1 Vortec. 496 Cubic inches, 340 HP, 455 pounds of torque. Class A common. Agree bigger and more expensive, more issues. Think rowboat and yacht. True of most all things.

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Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2019 at 4:11pm
When I used to fly my homebuilt airplane, things "seemed" expensive to me. I was talking to a friend (who was also a pilot), and was holding in my hand some little part (I don't even remember what it was). I asked him "You know how much this cost?!?". He replied "$300.", which was remarkably close to what it cost. I said "How did you know?" He replied "Everything on an airplane can be measured in AUs (Aircraft Units), and that looked like it was about three of them. On your airplane, AUs are $100. If you were flying a Piper Malibu, an AU would be $1000."

LOL


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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2019 at 4:17pm
Yep, complicated=expensive. 

You can buy simple inexpensive class A's that won't cost arm and a leg. I had an old 24 ft 1975 Revcon, had about the same stuff in it as an Rpod and was about the same size inside. Pretty cheap to keep up. The drivetrain was indeed a GM 455 (cubic inches not hp and a gasser not a diesel) straight out of the Olds Toronado. Plenty of power too!


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2019 at 4:48pm
My Dad had a couple class As with those BB gassers, one was a 454 and the other was a 440, I recall they got about 8 miles to the gallon. Both were from the 70s.

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Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2019 at 6:06pm
Similar conversation comparing an Airstream to an R-pod. A roughly equivalent Airstream/R-pod comparison would give the Airstream $3 for every $1 you spend on an R-pod. Going up to a lot of class As would be almost another order of magnitude.

We have a friend with a fairly fancy class A. I think he spent north of $700,000. It does have some extras though.


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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: David and Danette
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2019 at 6:27pm
  Reminds me of the Ford Maverick I owned Ford advertised it as a simple car that you can repair yourself. Similar to a simple r-pod most things you can repair yourself, far different from a motorhome.

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2018 Vista Cruiser 19BFD (2018-              
2012 Vibe 6503 (2014-2019)
2009 r-pod 171 (2009-2014)
Middle Tn
2014 Ram 1500 Quad cab




Posted By: crankster78
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2019 at 7:40pm
Greetings:
I've owned 2 Pods, a 171 and now a 179,  a 2010 and a 2015.  I've had few problems.  I'm camping right now in Blue Mound State Park by Laverne  MN.  I saw a class A try to park in a site last night.  Most SPs are not designed for large class A's.  I don't know if he got it parked at all.  
I know and have met many folks with class A's.  Every one has had major problems.  If I were to go larger, I would buy a TT or 5th wheel.  I have a limited budget and just glad to have what I got.    
Crankster78  R-179


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Crankster 78 R-179 2015


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 28 Aug 2019 at 4:16am
Originally posted by mcarter

My Dad had a couple class As with those BB gassers, one was a 454 and the other was a 440, I recall they got about 8 miles to the gallon. Both were from the 70s.

I got between 9 and 11 with mine, but it was a small class A. Folks that remove the 4bbl carb and install throttle body fuel injection pick up about another mpg. I'm sure it would be up in the 11 to 13 range with a modern engine/tranny combo. 

The other 70's RV that used the same drivetrain is the GMC. Probably the most efficient class A was the Vixen, made in the 80's, 21 feet long, 7 ft wide with a tilt top, so really quite a low drag design.  It would fit in a standard garage bay. Had a RWD turbodiesel from BMW, fuel economy was up in the mid to high 20's.  I considered buying one once but with only 115 hp it was badly under powered even for me, coming from VW buses. Very interesting vehicle though. 

The Revcons were much lower than the new class A's . The Toronado FWD drivetrain and axle less rear suspension allowed a flat floor and low c of g. Revcon was the creation of Wally Byam's (Airstream) stepson and was built like an Airstream, all aluminum shell, high quality interior, nice fit and finish. 

Here's a picture of mine. I could get it into pretty much anywhere I can get the rPod. The two big drawbacks to class A's for me and why I sold it were that we had to take our house with us everywhere we went, and I had to maintain an additional drivetrain rather than get dual use out of one of my daily drivers. 

That's the main reason even simple class A's cost so much more than trailers to maintain, they have a drivetrain in 'em. 






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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: jato
Date Posted: 28 Aug 2019 at 7:36am
Mike, you were correct.  Found out is is a 8.1 Vortec with 455 pounds of torque, not HP.  Thanks for correcting.  My neighbor even said, that guy is pretty smart to catch that one.Approve

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God's pod
'11 model 177
'17 Ford F-150 4WD 3.5 Ecoboost
Jim and Diane by beautiful Torch Lake
"...and you will know the Truth and the Truth will set you free."


Posted By: furpod
Date Posted: 28 Aug 2019 at 7:57am
Originally posted by offgrid


The other 70's RV that used the same drivetrain is the GMC. Probably the most efficient class A was the Vixen, made in the 80's, 21 feet long, 7 ft wide with a tilt top, so really quite a low drag design.  It would fit in a standard garage bay. Had a RWD turbodiesel from BMW, fuel economy was up in the mid to high 20's.  I considered buying one once but with only 115 hp it was badly under powered even for me, coming from VW buses. Very interesting vehicle though. 

The Revcons were much lower than the new class A's . The Toronado FWD drivetrain and axle less rear suspension allowed a flat floor and low c of g. Revcon was the creation of Wally Byam's (Airstream) stepson and was built like an Airstream, all aluminum shell, high quality interior, nice fit and finish. 





Come on.. you know you have ALWAYS wanted a Rialta...

(there is a guy near my SIL in KC that has about 12 of them lined up in front of a large barn, 2 of them appear to be running, I assume the others are projects or parts..)

I would love to have an EM50, there was a fully restored and near perfect one at our winter camp last year, sitting next to an Earth Roamer that's there every year.. I meant to get a picture of the two side by side.. maybe they will be close again this year..

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Posted By: jato
Date Posted: 28 Aug 2019 at 8:12am
Wow, that Earth Roamer is quite the unit.  I wonder if owners have any issues with those.  Sitting on a Ford F-750 chassis and a 1.5 million dollar pricetag, hopefully not.  I do see you can get the "entry level" cheapies for just over 250,000; now that is a bargain!


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God's pod
'11 model 177
'17 Ford F-150 4WD 3.5 Ecoboost
Jim and Diane by beautiful Torch Lake
"...and you will know the Truth and the Truth will set you free."


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 28 Aug 2019 at 8:33am
Originally posted by furpod

 

Come on.. you know you have ALWAYS wanted a Rialta...

(there is a guy near my SIL in KC that has about 12 of them lined up in front of a large barn, 2 of them appear to be running, I assume the others are projects or parts..)

I would love to have an EM50, there was a fully restored and near perfect one at our winter camp last year, sitting next to an Earth Roamer that's there every year.. I meant to get a picture of the two side by side.. maybe they will be close again this year..

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EM50, the first true transformer vehicle ever to hit the big screen (not counting Jame's Bond's sports cars anyway). One good thing about the big block Chevy based RV's from the 70's, the drive trains are well supported and parts are plentiful, and will be for a long time to come. 
 
Nah, no Rialta's for me, the only TRUE VWs  have a rear mounted air cooled engine.  Besides, what would I have done with all my spare time if I didn't have to pull heads to replace burnt exhaust valves? LOL

If we're going to expand this topic to include class B's and C's, this one was my personal favorite. 15-18 mpg, and I could park it anywhere I could park a Toyota pickup. And unlike the VW's the thing had bulletproof reliability. Got to be too small though, and it had a toilet but not a shower. 




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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: podwerkz
Date Posted: 28 Aug 2019 at 8:40am
Holy hydrocarbons Batman!

So the $400,000 motorhome in the original post has a GAS engine?

Shocked

Dang, there is a sucker born every minute.

This is why I assumed we were talking about a diesel engine, I did not even consider a motorhome at that price level with a gasoline engine.





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r・pod 171 gone but not forgotten!


Posted By: Pod People
Date Posted: 28 Aug 2019 at 9:53am
I agree with Crankster-- we also have had 2 R Pods with virtually no major issues.
We initially bought a used 2009 173 in 2011 and used it for about 5 years.  We traveled the country north to south and east to west( Florida to Michigan and NC to California). We never had major problems other than a bearing burn out  and a couple of flat tires. We sold it to a friend and he still uses it without issues.
We bought a used 2015 179 in 2017 and have used it a lot.  again, we have had zero issues that I could not fix or repair myself easily except a refrigerator replacement due to bad control boards.
I would not hesitate to buy another RPod nor would I hesitate to encourage a friend or family member to buy one.
Vann



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Vann & Laura 2015 RPod 179
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Posted By: furpod
Date Posted: 28 Aug 2019 at 9:59am
Originally posted by jato

Wow, that Earth Roamer is quite the unit.  I wonder if owners have any issues with those.  Sitting on a Ford F-750 chassis and a 1.5 million dollar pricetag, hopefully not.  I do see you can get the "entry level" cheapies for just over 250,000; now that is a bargain!


This couple is from Maine.. about 15 years ago, they decided winter sucked. So every year since, they take a 5 month trip down the east coast, then across I-10 (more or less) to southern California, and back..

They have had their ER XV (F550, smallest one they make now) for about a dozen years, it seems to have been mostly trouble free. The biggest issue they have run into is the fact that they are low production, hand built, pretty much each one is a "one off".. And.. their problem lies in the fact that no one who built their rig.. still works there. So any mods or issues, just have to be ciphered out.. He is very mechanical, so it hasn't been a huge problem, but worse then it should be. They were just over 200K miles last year when we camped with them.


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Posted By: TheBum
Date Posted: 28 Aug 2019 at 2:40pm
You all talk about the cost of a Class A, but there's usually an additional cost for owning a runaround vehicle that is towed behind the Class A. Maybe I misunderstand the main purpose of the towed vehicle: maybe it's for going to get help when your Class A breaks down.

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Alan
2022 R-Pod 196 "RaptoRPod"
2022 Ram 1500 Lone Star 4x4
Three cats



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