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Topic: 50amp to 30 amp dog bone
Posted By: Shane
Subject: 50amp to 30 amp dog bone
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2020 at 3:01pm
I made reservations at a site for this July 4th and all they had was a 50 amp available. I did buy a 50 amp to 30 amp dog bone. My question is are they SAFE to use. I am using a plug protector on my pod. I have yet to use it so this will be my first time using the dog bone.

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ENGINE 55,TRUCK 44,BATALLION 12



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Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2020 at 3:59pm
Lot of discussion on this topic. They have been in use for years, I own one and have used it on occasion. Having said that - there is an opportunity for issues - the issue occurs IF there is a fault in the power line that exceeds 30 Amps but is less than the near 50 Amps to kick the 50Amp CB in the power stantion. I have yet to see the issue reported, but it could. That's been the discussion. Personally I will continue to use my dogbone when required. IMHO.

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Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2020 at 4:02pm
There is a debate on this question, on this forum and elsewhere. 

Here are the facts, so you can make your own decision.

The 50A circuit at the campground has a circuit breaker on the pedestal that will trip at 50 amps. The trailer panel has a circuit breaker on it that will trip at 30 amps which will protect everything downstream of that. In between the dog bone and the breaker in the trailer panel is your cable with a connector on each end, a receptacle on the trailer, and wiring between that receptacle and the circuit breaker in the trailer, all of which is rated to handle 30A but not 50A. 

So, if you get a short in between the dog bone and the trailer circuit breaker that allows more than 30A to flow but less than 50A you can overheat the cable, connectors, receptacle, or wiring which could cause a fire. If the short is more than 50A the circuit breaker on the pedestal will trip. 

Because of this potential risk there is a label next to the trailer receptacle which says not to connect it to a circuit that can provide more than 30A. The plug protector you have protects from some other things but not from this particular risk. And the dog bone manufacturer is not responsible if there is a problem, they meet the requirements they need to meet to sell their product. its up to you how you use it. 

Is such a short circuit (less than 50A but greater than 30A) possible? Yes, I have seen similar shorts on other circuits but not on RV's. Is it common? Not at all, very uncommon on RV's if its happened at all. 

So, there you have it, up to you to decide what you're comfortable with based on your risk tolerance. 






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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: Pod_Geek
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2020 at 4:16pm
I've been looking for an in-line circuit breaker or fuse setup that could be plugged in to the electrical line between the pedestal and RV receptacle to no avail.  I'm a bit befuddled that someone doesn't make one.

Edit:  Maybe this??

https://www.etrailer.com/p-CAM55301.html - https://www.etrailer.com/p-CAM55301.html


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2020.5 R-Pod 195 Hood River
2018 RAM 2500 6.4L


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2020 at 4:35pm
I would guess that no it doesn't monitor for current as it only says it protects from voltage spikes or surges. 

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: Pod_Geek
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2020 at 4:48pm
So I continue to be somewhat confused by the 50-to-30 dogbone thing.  I found this:

The option to run a 30-amp recreational vehicle, or RV, from a 50 amp outlet is useful to many RVers. To avoid catastrophic damage to appliances, equipment and wiring circuits, and a real danger of fire, the amperage must be stepped down to 30 amps. This is easily done, by using a 50-male to 30-female connector, referred to by RVers and manufacturers as a "dogbone" connector, because it has two bulbous terminals joined by a short, slender cord. Dogbone adapters comprise a heavy-duty three-conductor wire between a 50-amp plug and a 30-amp outlet. They work by leaving one of the 50 amp outlet's two positive 120-volt legs unconnected to the 30-amp outlet.

https://itstillruns.com/run-amp-rv-50-amps-7717012.html - https://itstillruns.com/run-amp-rv-50-amps-7717012.html

So if this is correct and the dogbone actually steps the current down to 30 Amps right out of the pedestal, is there really any danger?




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2020.5 R-Pod 195 Hood River
2018 RAM 2500 6.4L


Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2020 at 5:40pm
I disagree with the step down remark. Each leg of a 50 Amp service has 50 Amps available. So the connection from a 50 Amp service to 30 Amp service, eliminates one leg of the electricity from the 50 Amp service. So you have a 50 Amp availability coming into a 30 Amp service. Again, I have not seen one instance of an issue with this hook up or the use of a dogbone. BUT - electrically it could happen if the conditions I spoke about occurred. We just have to be aware it COULD happen. So can a tornado.

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Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2020 at 11:06pm
Why not make a box with a 30A breaker in it to connect to the dogbone.  On the down stream side it can have a 30A plug into which you can plug your 30A cable.  Go from 50A to the box with the breaker, and then to your trailer.  The risk is still there between the 50 amp plug and the length of the dogbone wire, but on the other side of the 30A breaker you should be protected.  If you catch the dogbone wire on fire for lack of 50A protection it's not likely to hurt anything but the dogbone. Presumably the dog bone wires are of a gauge that they can handle the 50A input for the distance to the box.

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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: CharlieM
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2020 at 7:22am
Originally posted by Pod_Geek

So I continue to be somewhat confused by the 50-to-30 dogbone thing.  I found this:

The option to run a 30-amp recreational vehicle, or RV, from a 50 amp outlet is useful to many RVers. To avoid catastrophic damage to appliances, equipment and wiring circuits, and a real danger of fire, the amperage must be stepped down to 30 amps. This is easily done, by using a 50-male to 30-female connector, referred to by RVers and manufacturers as a "dogbone" connector, because it has two bulbous terminals joined by a short, slender cord. Dogbone adapters comprise a heavy-duty three-conductor wire between a 50-amp plug and a 30-amp outlet. They work by leaving one of the 50 amp outlet's two positive 120-volt legs unconnected to the 30-amp outlet.

https://itstillruns.com/run-amp-rv-50-amps-7717012.html - https://itstillruns.com/run-amp-rv-50-amps-7717012.html

So if this is correct and the dogbone actually steps the current down to 30 Amps right out of the pedestal, is there really any danger?



The claim is bogus. A full 50 Amperes is available to the 30 Amp connector. MCarter is correct. The real world risk is minimal but not zero. BTW I use a dogbone adapter and sleep very well Smile.


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Charlie
Northern Colorado
OLD: 2013 RP-172, 2010 Honda Pilot 3.5L 4WD
PRESENT: 2014 Camplite 21RBS, 2013 Supercharged Tacoma 4L V6 4WD


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2020 at 8:06am
Yes, that claim is nonsense. Overcurrent protection requires a circuit breaker of fuse, so Lostagain’s solution would work.

I just saw this on NorthernTool’s website. It appears to have an inline 20A breaker, not a Gfci. 20A should be fine for our trailers, with the possible exception of running the microwave and the a/c at the same time. It should be located as close as possible to the pedestal.

For the price it might be a good solution even if you had to change out one or the other connectors to make it compatible with your other cords and adapters. I might be tempted to cut off both ends, get a 50A plug and put it on one end, and a 30A on the other so it would replace the dog bone and connect directly to the trailer shore power cord.

https://m.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200722091_200722091?&utm_source=google_PPC&utm_medium=NT%20DSA%20Feed&utm_campaign=DSA%20Feed&utm_content=&gclid=Cj0KCQiAvc_xBRCYARIsAC5QT9mSyXx-jxpvWeFQytjcIQ-hF5i7qWr9iO_103AaBVH7GOKJVC8mf8EaAlrIEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: Pod_Geek
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2020 at 9:48am
Originally posted by offgrid

...I just saw this on NorthernTool’s website. It appears to have an inline 20A breaker, not a Gfci. 20A should be fine for our trailers, with the possible exception of running the microwave and the a/c at the same time. It should be located as close as possible to the pedestal....

https://m.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200722091_200722091?&utm_source=google_PPC&utm_medium=NT%20DSA%20Feed&utm_campaign=DSA%20Feed&utm_content=&gclid=Cj0KCQiAvc_xBRCYARIsAC5QT9mSyXx-jxpvWeFQytjcIQ-hF5i7qWr9iO_103AaBVH7GOKJVC8mf8EaAlrIEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

Ok...how about this:

From the 50A-to-30A dogbone you plug this in:

https://www.homedepot.com/p/AC-WORKS-1-5-ft-10-3-STW-30-Amp-TT-30P-RV-Travel-Trailer-Plug-to-30-Amp-L14-30R-2-Hots-Bridged-Adapter-TT30L1430-018/302447731?mtc=Shopping-VF-F_D27E-G-D27E-27_3_EXT_CORD_WORKLIGHT_SURGE-Generic-NA-Feed-PLA-NA-NA-EXT_CORD_WORKLIGHT_SURGE&cm_mmc=Shopping-VF-F_D27E-G-D27E-27_3_EXT_CORD_WORKLIGHT_SURGE-Generic-NA-Feed-PLA-NA-NA-EXT_CORD_WORKLIGHT_SURGE-71700000033101998-58700003865786276-92700048704092120&gclid=Cj0KCQiAvc_xBRCYARIsAC5QT9l8L6GnF6GVP4Vhik7aBpe004b-pk91twhStAIG1E1qAeCumkFjV30aArDuEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds - https://www.homedepot.com/p/AC-WORKS-1-5-ft-10-3-STW-30-Amp-TT-30P-RV-Travel-Trailer-Plug-to-30-Amp-L14-30R-2-Hots-Bridged-Adapter-TT30L1430-018/302447731

Then your RIGID adapter with 20-amp breaker

Then this:

https://www.homedepot.com/p/AC-WORKS-RV-Generator-Adapter-NEMA-L14-20P-20-Amp-125-Volt-250-Volt-4-Prong-Locking-Plug-to-RV-TT-30R-30-Amp-RV-Female-Connector-RVL1420TT/301828763 - https://www.homedepot.com/p/AC-WORKS-RV-Generator-Adapter-NEMA-L14-20P-20-Amp-125-Volt-250-Volt-4-Prong-Locking-Plug-to-RV-TT-30R-30-Amp-RV-Female-Connector-RVL1420TT/301828763

Then the RV's power cord.

Thoughts?


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2020.5 R-Pod 195 Hood River
2018 RAM 2500 6.4L


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2020 at 12:23pm
That would work but you'd end up with 5 devices between the pedestal and the trailer. I'd be inclined to get the RIGID part and cut off both terminations on it. Then, install this on one end, leaving one of the hots disconnected:

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Camco-Heavy-Duty-RV-50-AMP-Male-Plug-Replacement-with-Power-Grip-Handle/29764608?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=0&adid=22222222227021475762&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=c&wl3=40839453992&wl4=pla-78653438552&wl5=9008704&wl6=&wl7=&wl8=&wl9=pla&wl10=8175035&wl11=online&wl12=29764608&veh=sem&gclid=Cj0KCQiAvc_xBRCYARIsAC5QT9kgY8ED1es_SOuQhPehd0krFNoRehw7-LIqWpOus-UJX0qJAN9ndnoaAjyJEALw_wcB - https://www.walmart.com/ip/Camco-Heavy-Duty-RV-50-AMP-Male-Plug-Replacement-with-Power-Grip-Handle/29764608?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=0&adid=22222222227021475762&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=c&wl3=40839453992&wl4=pla-78653438552&wl5=9008704&wl6=&wl7=&wl8=&wl9=pla&wl10=8175035&wl11=online&wl12=29764608&veh=sem&gclid=Cj0KCQiAvc_xBRCYARIsAC5QT9kgY8ED1es_SOuQhPehd0krFNoRehw7-LIqWpOus-UJX0qJAN9ndnoaAjyJEALw_wcB

If this connector's is too loose around the RIGID parts cable you can add a layer or two of heat shrink to get a tight fit. 

One the other end of the RIGID part you can attach this:

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Camco-Heavy-Duty-RV-30-AMP-Female-Replacement-Plug/29764598?selected=true - https://www.walmart.com/ip/Camco-Heavy-Duty-RV-30-AMP-Female-Replacement-Plug/29764598?selected=true

That ought to give you what is effectively a 50 to 30A dog bone with an inline 20A circuit breaker for about $35, so you'd wind up with only two parts between the pedestal and the trailer. 




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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2020 at 12:29pm
I would rather find a 30A circuit breaker, but those seem to be non-existent. This does look to be a workable solution to having at least 20A safely provided.

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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: Pod_Geek
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2020 at 12:55pm
Originally posted by StephenH

I would rather find a 30A circuit breaker, but those seem to be non-existent. This does look to be a workable solution to having at least 20A safely provided.

Hmmm...maybe an electrician could put something together, assuming that 30A breakers that could be wired inline actually exist.


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2020.5 R-Pod 195 Hood River
2018 RAM 2500 6.4L


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2020 at 12:58pm
Originally posted by Pod_Geek

Originally posted by StephenH

I would rather find a 30A circuit breaker, but those seem to be non-existent. This does look to be a workable solution to having at least 20A safely provided.

Hmmm...maybe an electrician could put something together, assuming that 30A breakers that could be wired inline actually exist.
That's the problem. I have been searching for inline 30A 120V AC breakers and have not been able to find any. 12-48V DC breakers are plentiful, but no 120V AC breakers. Unhappy


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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: Pod_Geek
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2020 at 1:02pm
Originally posted by StephenH

That's the problem. I have been searching for inline 30A 120V AC breakers and have not been able to find any. 12-48V DC breakers are plentiful, but no 120V AC breakers. Unhappy

Could one pull the breaker out of this and use it somehow, or possibly wire a 50A connector to the backside?

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Connecticut-Electric-30-Amp-RV-Power-Outlet-with-30-Amp-Single-Pole-Breaker-CESMPSC13HR/100430208 - https://www.homedepot.com/p/Connecticut-Electric-30-Amp-RV-Power-Outlet-with-30-Amp-Single-Pole-Breaker-CESMPSC13HR/100430208

ETA:  Here's just the breaker:

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Square-D-Homeline-30-Amp-Single-Pole-Circuit-Breaker-HOM130CP/202353319 - https://www.homedepot.com/p/Square-D-Homeline-30-Amp-Single-Pole-Circuit-Breaker-HOM130CP/202353319


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2020.5 R-Pod 195 Hood River
2018 RAM 2500 6.4L


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2020 at 1:50pm
The box you picked is a NEMA 3R  enclosure intended to be mounted vertically on a wall or post well above ground level. You could use it but how would you mount it temporarily? It won't keep water out if you just lay it on the ground, so you'd be solving a relatively low risk safety problem but creating a high risk one.  

If you bought a separate breaker and mounted it in a NEMA 4X watertight enclosure and used water tight cable glands to bring the cables out that would be better. The breaker you picked wouldn't work though, its designed to snap onto the bus bar in a home panelboard. You'd need to find a back mount breaker and attach it to a back plate in the 4X box. 

If you're worried about having nuisance trips of the 20A inline breaker, I can say that I've run my trailer on a 20A circuit at home a lot and have never had the breaker trip.  Although I haven't tried to run the microwave and the a/c simultaneously, its not a big deal to turn off the a/c for a few minutes when running the micro, I have to do that when running on my Honda 2K genny.




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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: Pod_Geek
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2020 at 1:58pm
Originally posted by offgrid

...If you're worried about having nuisance trips of the 20A inline breaker, I can say that I've run my trailer on a 20A circuit at home a lot and have never had the breaker trip.  Although I haven't tried to run the microwave and the a/c simultaneously, its not a big deal to turn off the a/c for a few minutes when running the micro, I have to do that when running on my Honda 2K genny.

Ok, fair enough.

Do you think that having five devices between the pedestal and the RV poses an undue risk?


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2020.5 R-Pod 195 Hood River
2018 RAM 2500 6.4L


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2020 at 3:08pm
Not really a risk as just a lot of parts to deal with and $$ to spend. If you go that route just be sure to keep all the connections up off the ground so they stay dry.

OTOH, don't be afraid to change out your connectors,  it really isn't hard. If you've ever reterminated a cord, its the same kinda thing. 

When I said leave one of the hots disconnected on the 50A 240V connector, don't let that confuse you.  The two hots are the pins opposite each other side to side, the neutral and ground pins are opposite each other top and bottom.The ground pin is the round one. You get 240Vac between the two hots and 120Vac from either hot to neutral.  Since you only want 120Vac out, one hot is unused. 

When you cut off the cable on the Rigid part, you will see a green, a white, and a colored wire (usually black but sometimes red).  So, you connect green to the ground pin, white to neutral pin, and the colored wire to one of the two hot pins. Doesn't matter which. The other hot pin will be unused. That will give you 120Vac out same as the dogbone does.

On the output connector looking at the end face of the female receptacle with the round hole up, the neutral is the pin on the right and the hot is the pin on the left. So, white to neutral, black (or red) to hot, green to ground, same as before.

Up to you though what you're comfortable with, either way would work. 


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: ArenaBlanca
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2020 at 4:10pm
I stayed at a campground where they only had 50 amp outlets.  So, I bought a dogbone that I now carry with me just in case.  After reading this thread, I'm wondering if the risk of getting hit by a meteorite is greater than or less than the risk involved in using a 50 amp to 30 amp dogbane without a inline 30 amp breaker.

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Enjoy Life!!


Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2020 at 7:03pm
That is funny. My money is on the meteorite. I would change my mind with one documented failure, but it's not there. The theory is good and viable, to me much ado about nothing.

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Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."


Posted By: Pod_Geek
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2020 at 8:42am
Originally posted by mcarter

That is funny. My money is on the meteorite. I would change my mind with one documented failure, but it's not there. The theory is good and viable, to me much ado about nothing.

You're probably right.  However, it's interesting to Google something like "Are 50A-to-30A dogbones safe?" because the answers/opinions are all over the lot, with a smattering of self-professed electrical geniuses (some of whom likely know what they're talking about) saying don't use them under any circumstances, and most folks being pragmatic and echoing what you say, based on the empirical evidence.






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2020.5 R-Pod 195 Hood River
2018 RAM 2500 6.4L


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2020 at 8:44am
As long as we're talking opinion here, mine differs, for 3 reasons.

1) I have seen the type of current limited fault conditions that is the risk here, more than once. Not on RVs but in other electrical systems. They are nasty and dangerous, and there is noting different about RVs that would preclude those same type of faults there. 

2) It goes against a fundamental principal of electrical safety design not to properly protect all circuits from current overloads. 

3) The national electric code making panel for article 551 (which covers RVs), who are not dummies, feel its enough of a risk to require RV manufacturers to place a label warning against doing exactly this next to the RV power inlet. 

So, I'm not personally gonna use one of those dog bones. 

As to the chances of being killed by a meteor, NASA puts that at about 1:250,000, compared to about 1:160,000 of being killed by a lightning strike, 1:3.7 million of being killed in a shark attack, and 1:292 million of winning the Powerball jackpot. So, not so far fetched as you might think. The big risk from meteors isn't getting directly hit by a little one, its a big one like the 1908 Tunguska event whacking a whole city or a huge planet buster like what took out the dinosaurs. Dead


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: Pod_Geek
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2020 at 8:51am
Originally posted by offgrid

...So, I'm not personally gonna use one of those dog bones....

Your experience and logical approach to this issue carries a lot of weight with me, which is why I've taken the time to explore options.  Thank you.

BTW, you really can't get whacked by a meteor unless you're out in space; once they hit Earth they become meteorites Tongue


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2020.5 R-Pod 195 Hood River
2018 RAM 2500 6.4L


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2020 at 9:51am
Originally posted by Pod_Geek

Originally posted by offgrid

...So, I'm not personally gonna use one of those dog bones....

Your experience and logical approach to this issue carries a lot of weight with me, which is why I've taken the time to explore options.  Thank you.

BTW, you really can't get whacked by a meteor unless you're out in space; once they hit Earth they become meteorites Tongue

Its not a big hardship for me not to use one though. I very rarely camp where there is electricity. I certainly can see why those who do camp with hookups feel its a necessity. 

I might make up a current protected dog bone now though, as it looks like it can be done for about $35. If I do I'll report it here. 

I stand corrected about meteors vs meteorites. Embarrassed 


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: TheBum
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2020 at 12:00pm
Originally posted by Pod_Geek

BTW, you really can't get whacked by a meteor unless you're out in space; once they hit Earth they become meteorites Tongue


According to NASA, when they're in space, they're called meteoroids. Meteors can only be encountered in the upper atmosphere.

The odds for issues go down the less you have to use the dogbone. If it's only used once in a blue moon, it's probably not worth worrying about. If you find yourself using it often, you might want to consider rigging up an inline breaker box.

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Alan
2022 R-Pod 196 "RaptoRPod"
2022 Ram 1500 Lone Star 4x4
Three cats


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 05 Feb 2020 at 7:14am
So, leaving out the dinosaur killer type, it seems like maybe the most dangerous ones are meteors after all. The Tunguska one, the one that exploded in Russia in 2013 that injured 1200 ppl, and the one that exploded over China in 1490 killing 10,000 plus, were all meteors when they exploded in the atmosphere. Not much if anything reached the ground.

I bought one of the Rigid inline circuit breaker cords on Amazon. Once it gets here I’ll take a look at how to reterminate it so it can work as a current protected dog bone.

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: Pod_Geek
Date Posted: 05 Feb 2020 at 9:00am
Originally posted by offgrid

...I bought one of the Rigid inline circuit breaker cords on Amazon. Once it gets here I’ll take a look at how to reterminate it so it can work as a current protected dog bone.

Cottage industry?  I'll be your first customer.


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2020.5 R-Pod 195 Hood River
2018 RAM 2500 6.4L


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 05 Feb 2020 at 9:24am
Someone might clean up if they created a dogbone with a built-in circuit breaker.

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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 05 Feb 2020 at 9:31am
It'll only have a 20A breaker, that's the only inline circuit breaker I've found. Let's see if it works out. 

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: Pod_Geek
Date Posted: 05 Feb 2020 at 9:32am
Originally posted by GlueGuy

Someone might clean up if they created a dogbone with a built-in circuit breaker.

Especially if their ads featured a TT going up in flames...  "DON'T LET THIS HAPPEN TO YOU!!!!!!"


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2020.5 R-Pod 195 Hood River
2018 RAM 2500 6.4L


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 05 Feb 2020 at 9:38am
Fear is usually the most effective marketing tactic. Dead

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: Pod_Geek
Date Posted: 05 Feb 2020 at 11:19am
BTW noticed that a KOA that we'll be spending a night at later this month has a notice on their map:  

No 50-Amp to 30-Amp Adapters

Wonder how common this is.


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2020.5 R-Pod 195 Hood River
2018 RAM 2500 6.4L


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 05 Feb 2020 at 11:46am
The one campground we stayed at in West Yellowstone provided a 50-30A dogbone for us to use while we were there. When we were down in Florida recently, the campground sent a worker out to remove the 50A outlet and install a 30A outlet. The box accepted a modular connection that had the receptacle  and breaker mounted on a plate that plugged into a bus bar in the box. I liked that solution. However, if needed, I would be okay with using a 50-30A dogbone temporarily again if needed. If there were a dogbone with a 30A breaker built-in, I would purchase one. I'm not ready to compromise on a 20A breaker.


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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

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Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: TheBum
Date Posted: 05 Feb 2020 at 12:00pm
Originally posted by offgrid

It'll only have a 20A breaker, that's the only inline circuit breaker I've found. Let's see if it works out. 


What about this one?

https://www.amazon.com/30-Amp-Inline-Circuit-Breaker-UL-FX-30A/dp/B07QPR94J7 - https://www.amazon.com/30-Amp-Inline-Circuit-Breaker-UL-FX-30A/dp/B07QPR94J7

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Alan
2022 R-Pod 196 "RaptoRPod"
2022 Ram 1500 Lone Star 4x4
Three cats


Posted By: Pod_Geek
Date Posted: 05 Feb 2020 at 12:21pm
Originally posted by TheBum

 

What about this one?

https://www.amazon.com/30-Amp-Inline-Circuit-Breaker-UL-FX-30A/dp/B07QPR94J7 - https://www.amazon.com/30-Amp-Inline-Circuit-Breaker-UL-FX-30A/dp/B07QPR94J7

Hmmm...they (GetWiredUSA) advertise custom orders.


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2020.5 R-Pod 195 Hood River
2018 RAM 2500 6.4L


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 05 Feb 2020 at 1:13pm
Originally posted by TheBum

Originally posted by offgrid

It'll only have a 20A breaker, that's the only inline circuit breaker I've found. Let's see if it works out. 


What about this one?

https://www.amazon.com/30-Amp-Inline-Circuit-Breaker-UL-FX-30A/dp/B07QPR94J7 - https://www.amazon.com/30-Amp-Inline-Circuit-Breaker-UL-FX-30A/dp/B07QPR94J7
That wasn't there the last time I looked. It sounds like somebody has been paying attention. I think I will have one of these on order soon to assemble a proper 50A to 30A dogbone.

Edit: I asked if these are waterproof and if they can be made with a 50A plug and 30A socket for RV use. It will be interesting to see what reply I get. When it comes in, then I will post the reply here.


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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: TheBum
Date Posted: 05 Feb 2020 at 1:36pm
Originally posted by StephenH


Edit: I asked if these are waterproof and if they can be made with a 50A plug and 30A socket for RV use. It will be interesting to see what reply I get. When it comes in, then I will post the reply here.


If so, there's our safe dogbone solution. I'd buy one if it was less than $100.

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Alan
2022 R-Pod 196 "RaptoRPod"
2022 Ram 1500 Lone Star 4x4
Three cats


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 05 Feb 2020 at 1:45pm
I just sent getwired USA the same question...

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 05 Feb 2020 at 2:03pm
Originally posted by Pod_Geek

BTW noticed that a KOA that we'll be spending a night at later this month has a notice on their map:  

No 50-Amp to 30-Amp Adapters

Wonder how common this is.

There are both 50 (in) to 30(out) and 30 (in) to 50(out) dog bone adapters. The latter are for 50A RV's to use an older 30A pedestal. Some campgrounds don't allow those because they tend to overload the older campground electrical systems, even if an individual RV doesn't actually trip the 30A breaker in that pedestal 

The point is to be sure you know exactly what is being excluded from use.  


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: Pod_Geek
Date Posted: 05 Feb 2020 at 2:04pm
I asked them if they could make a custom 50A-to-30A RV dogbone (14-50P to TT-30R) using their inline 30A breaker.  Ha ha...they're going to be wondering what's going on.

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2020.5 R-Pod 195 Hood River
2018 RAM 2500 6.4L


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 05 Feb 2020 at 2:50pm
If they can make 'em we should make a bulk purchase...

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 05 Feb 2020 at 3:02pm
The only problem with a bulk purchase is in who orders and how they will be distributed. I don't know if split shipments would be possible. That would make it more like individual purchases anyway.

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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: Pod_Geek
Date Posted: 05 Feb 2020 at 3:06pm
Originally posted by StephenH

The only problem with a bulk purchase is in who orders and how they will be distributed. I don't know if split shipments would be possible. That would make it more like individual purchases anyway.

I think offgrid just started a new company...

SafeDogBones LLC.


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2020.5 R-Pod 195 Hood River
2018 RAM 2500 6.4L


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 05 Feb 2020 at 3:37pm
Hmm. Not so sure this old dog wants to hunt that bone any more. Sounds like less time available for camping....Wink

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 05 Feb 2020 at 4:11pm
Perhaps not so much a bulk order, but referrals on this and/or the Facebook group would likely generate more sales which might mean a better price.

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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: podwerkz
Date Posted: 05 Feb 2020 at 9:10pm
Have 50 made and drop ship them here in Texas, yall can pick em up when you pass thru....

After all the snow clears, of course. 

Clap


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r・pod 171 gone but not forgotten!


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2020 at 4:45pm
No snow around here, and none in sight, been a pretty warm winter in the southeast so far.

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: Pod_Geek
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2020 at 9:42am
Originally posted by offgrid

I just sent getwired USA the same question...

Well, so far I've heard crickets from these guys.  Has anyone heard back?


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2020.5 R-Pod 195 Hood River
2018 RAM 2500 6.4L


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2020 at 10:12am
Same here.

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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: TheBum
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2020 at 2:49pm
Have you tried calling them? It says in the left side bar of the Products page on their website:

"Do you have a Custom order? Call -Me ... 480-408-3237"

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Alan
2022 R-Pod 196 "RaptoRPod"
2022 Ram 1500 Lone Star 4x4
Three cats


Posted By: Pod_Geek
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2020 at 3:31pm
Originally posted by TheBum

Have you tried calling them? It says in the left side bar of the Products page on their website:

"Do you have a Custom order? Call -Me ... 480-408-3237"

Three times.  No answer.  Not today, though.


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2020.5 R-Pod 195 Hood River
2018 RAM 2500 6.4L


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2020 at 11:01am
Nada here

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold



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