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Topic: Battery Tender/Charger
Posted By: Jeepinator
Subject: Battery Tender/Charger
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2020 at 10:33am
I am in the market primarily for a battery tender to keep my batteries topped off over the winter but I think I’d like to get something small and portable that I can keep in the rPod in the summer in the event the converter fails and I need to charge my batteries.  Any recommendations?

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2018 Jeep Wrangler Willys
2017 179



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Posted By: Tars Tarkas
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2020 at 2:42pm
If you aren't removing the battery from the Pod and you're thinking of plugging in a charger, just plug the Pod into 120v and let the converter/charger keep the battery topped off.  It's a very good charger.  That's what I do.

In the event of a converter failure, if you don't already have something else, you can pick up a charger at any Walmart or auto parts store any time.

TT


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2010 176
FJ Cruiser


Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2020 at 5:37pm
Like T2 I use my converter do the job. Does an excellent job of battery charging. The charger world has many choices. I have a trickle, a small 4 Amp I bought at Harbor Freight and a larger charger that has selectable charge modes and functions. The larger charger I can use to "jump start" an engine. I carry that multi-mode charger on camping trips.

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Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."


Posted By: Jeepinator
Date Posted: 16 Feb 2020 at 11:14am
I pull my batteries in the winter.  They are in my utility room nice and warm.

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2018 Jeep Wrangler Willys
2017 179


Posted By: jato
Date Posted: 16 Feb 2020 at 12:50pm
We also pull our batteries in the winter.  Take out in November (northern MI) place on concrete floor in our unheated garage.  Put on 2 amp trickle charge for 24-36 hours for each battery.  Then let them 'hibernate' until the following April when the process is repeated and then re-installed.  The batteries are 12 volt deep cycle Interstates, group size 24.  They just completed their 9th year of dependable service last December.  Whenever they decide to not hold a charge anymore, the decision will be to go to a pair of 6v golf cart batteries.

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God's pod
'11 model 177
'17 Ford F-150 4WD 3.5 Ecoboost
Jim and Diane by beautiful Torch Lake
"...and you will know the Truth and the Truth will set you free."


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 16 Feb 2020 at 1:40pm
Jato, by that time, you may decide that a LiFePO4 setup is a better idea as it will give you the effective capacity of the dual 6V GC2 batteries at a fraction of the weight (@120 lbs for Pb-H2SO4 vs. @30 lbs for LiFePO4). Plus the service life of the LiFePO4 should be very much longer than any Pb-H2SO4 battery. The prices for them are also much better than they were. I did the conversion myself recently. We haven't had the opportunity to test in real-life use yet but Spring will provide the opportunity.


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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: Olddawgsrule
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2020 at 7:52am
Originally posted by Jeepinator

I am in the market primarily for a battery tender to keep my batteries topped off over the winter but I think I’d like to get something small and portable that I can keep in the rPod in the summer in the event the converter fails and I need to charge my batteries.  Any recommendations?

Like I said Sunday when we met up, I'll bring my little over or pass it to your wife (she mentioned coming by to have coffee or something w/Colette).

Way too funny that your Jeepinator and I didn't know it!


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https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJduGeZNFgtptH67leItRFQ - Byways no Highways
2017 Tacoma
http://tnttt.com/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=72408 - Truck Camper Build
2004 F150 My Overlander


Posted By: Jeepinator
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2020 at 7:47pm
Originally posted by Olddawgsrule

Originally posted by Jeepinator

I am in the market primarily for a battery tender to keep my batteries topped off over the winter but I think I’d like to get something small and portable that I can keep in the rPod in the summer in the event the converter fails and I need to charge my batteries.  Any recommendations?

Like I said Sunday when we met up, I'll bring my little over or pass it to your wife (she mentioned coming by to have coffee or something w/Colette).

Way too funny that your Jeepinator and I didn't know it!

Thanks OD!  


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2018 Jeep Wrangler Willys
2017 179


Posted By: Jeepinator
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2020 at 7:51pm
Originally posted by StephenH

Jato, by that time, you may decide that a LiFePO4 setup is a better idea as it will give you the effective capacity of the dual 6V GC2 batteries at a fraction of the weight (@120 lbs for Pb-H2SO4 vs. @30 lbs for LiFePO4). Plus the service life of the LiFePO4 should be very much longer than any Pb-H2SO4 battery. The prices for them are also much better than they were. I did the conversion myself recently. We haven't had the opportunity to test in real-life use yet but Spring will provide the opportunity.

I have also been considering LiFePO4.  I have 2  - 12 volt deep cycles and I really want the weight reduction and increased usable AMPS.  AS I understand it, you can run Lithium batteries down to 10% without damaging the battery vs 50% for wet batteries.

Do you have any concerns around very cold weather?  Seems like today’s lithium’s will withstand cold better.


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2018 Jeep Wrangler Willys
2017 179


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2020 at 8:04pm
My concerns are less since I located the battery inside the RPod. My mods have pictures of where I put it. Since it is inside, it is better protected, both from weather and from being taken.

The battery I purchased specifies a lower temperature for discharging is okay, but for charging, it needs to be greater than 32F.  The battery management system should disable charging for temperatures that are too low. By putting it inside, it should stay above that temperature as if we are in it, then we would have heat. When we are not using it, I can turn off the battery cut-off switch to isolate the battery. It would take over a year for the battery to self-discharge. However, if I did not disconnect it, then the parasitic power drains would draw it down in much less time. While we are at home, I can keep the RPod plugged in so the converter is actually supplying the electrical needs of the RPod. The WF8950L2-MBA that I installed in place of the WF-8955-MBA does not have the three stage charge. It has just two stages. One is similar to the bulk charge of the old converter in that it is about 4.6V. Then it drops to 3.6V. It is not technically a "float" charge as LiFePO4 batteries do not require one.

The battery I purchased is less expensive than the Battle Born one which has perhaps the longest warranty, but at a price of over $200 more.


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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: Colt
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2020 at 11:55pm
How about this?


https://www.amazon.com/NOCO-G3500-UltraSafe-Battery-Charger/dp/B004LWVEKS - NOCO G3500

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John
'16 R-Pod 180


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2020 at 7:56am
That would work, but again, if you are leaving your RPod plugged in, the question is , why purchase something to do what the converter in the RPod does already? If you are removing the battery/batteries, then it makes more sense if you have Pb-acid batteries but is not needed if you have an LiFePO4 battery which has a very low self-discharge rate (@3%/month) . Also, the one you pictured has the specifications that it is good for up to 120AH so it would be good for a single 12V Pb-acid or LiFePO4 battery, but not dual 6V batteries which would be over 200AH. You would need to step up to one of the more powerful models in that case. The 7.2A model claims to be able to charge up to 230AH capacity batteries.

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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: Olddawgsrule
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2020 at 8:04am

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I have also been considering LiFePO4.  I have 2  - 12 volt deep cycles and I really want the weight reduction and increased usable AMPS.  AS I understand it, you can run Lithium batteries down to 10% without damaging the battery vs 50% for wet batteries.

Do you have any concerns around very cold weather?  Seems like today’s lithium’s will withstand cold better.
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True you can run them lower, as much as 10%, yet your still better off not going as low in a cycle. Same idea with all batteries, not running them down to suggested low. 

If temperature is the concern while traveling... Lipo's are safe inside the cabin extending the temp range a bit. If talking storage: Bring them inside! They make a great UPS for those Mains lost during the winter!


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https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJduGeZNFgtptH67leItRFQ - Byways no Highways
2017 Tacoma
http://tnttt.com/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=72408 - Truck Camper Build
2004 F150 My Overlander


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2020 at 8:01am
Originally posted by Jeepinator

I pull my batteries in the winter.  They are in my utility room nice and warm.

Don't confuse  battery capacity with storage longevity. Lead acid batteries have less capacity when they're cold but they will last much longer stored cold than warm. That is bacuse cold temps greatly slow down the internal battery corrosion rate.

The only problem with cold storage of PBA batts is if you don't maintain a charge on them, then they can freeze. But you don't need to charge them very often if its cold, as Jato's case shows,  because their self discharge rate is also much lower when cold. 


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: Colt
Date Posted: 01 Mar 2020 at 9:47pm
Originally posted by StephenH

That would work, but again, if you are leaving your RPod plugged in, the question is , why purchase something to do what the converter in the RPod does already? ......


I agree, but that is what he asked for and it is cheaper than the nearest BatteryTender. 

I do not have electricity in my storage location, but I have a battery cut-off.  So I use a 25 watt solar panel and a BatteryTender charge controller, both from Amazon.  I have a very happy 13.2V battery on just a few hours a day of sun.

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https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004Q820UK/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o09_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1




https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01IFJ73X4/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

The controller is stuck to the back of the panel with double-sided tape and covered with Flex-seal tape.  Bob's your uncle! 



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John
'16 R-Pod 180


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2020 at 5:55am
You can also just use a 5 watt solar module with no charge controller as long as you have flooded batteries and no loads connected. 5 watts won’t overcharge the batteries, just check the water level monthly and top off if needed.

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: jato
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2020 at 8:19pm
So to those who already have the LiFePO4 battery set up, as does Stephen H, what was the cost/battery and will the standard converter in the R-Pod charge this or does it need to be changed out to a different converter? And if so, what is that cost?


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God's pod
'11 model 177
'17 Ford F-150 4WD 3.5 Ecoboost
Jim and Diane by beautiful Torch Lake
"...and you will know the Truth and the Truth will set you free."


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2020 at 10:05pm
Okay. While the standard charger will "work" in the sense that it could at least partially charge the LiFePO4 battery, it does not work in that the charging profile is for Pb-Acid batteries. LiFePO4 batteries charge at 14.4V. Once charged, they do not have a float charge.

I purchased the https://www.campingworld.com/wfco-wf-8950l2-mba-rv-power-converter-replacement-main-board-118304.html - WF-8950L2-MBA from Camping World for $219.99 plus my local sales tax. Shipping was free. It was easy to change the converter mainboard. The 8950L2-MBA has the proper charging profile for LiFePO4 batteries. However, it would not be suitable for PB-Acid batteries. I understand Progress has one that can be programmed so one could go back and forth. That capability would come at a higher price though. Check out https://wfcoelectronics.com/product/wf-8950l2-mba/ - WFCO's site for more information also. Since the last time I looked, a new power panel was added, the WF-8955LiS which allows one to switch back and forth between PB-Acid and LiFePO4 batteries. However, that would mean swapping out the complete panel.


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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS



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