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Topic: Gas mileage while towing R-pod 151
Posted By: Medicine Wolf
Subject: Gas mileage while towing R-pod 151
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2020 at 9:50pm
I was towing my 2010 rpod 151 from Twin falls to Boise and averaged 7.3 mpg for the trip which was about 120 miles. I was averaging around 70-75mph...A little headwind but nothing crazy...I usually avg 17-18 mph without trailer...That doesn't seem right to me considering the dry weight is just under 2000 lbs....I greased the bearings though the grease port in October...I'm thinking of maybe having bearings repacked? any other thoughts? I'm towing with a 2016 Tacoma with tow package thats rated at towing 6500 lbs....



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Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2020 at 10:19pm
Simple! Wind resistance is the answer. 70-75 mph has much higher wind resistance than 60 mph. It isn't linear. It is more like exponential the way wind resistance increases with speed. It takes much more force to overcome wind resistance at 75 mph than at 60 mph. Add the headwind to that and you might have been fighting the equivalent of going 80 to 85 mph. No wonder that your mileage was only about 7.3. I tow an RPod 179 with a Nissan Frontier and limit my towing speed to 60 mph. On our recent trip to Florida, we were getting 11-12 mpg. We were fighting winds on the way down and it was not much better on the way back because the wind had switched, so we had a cross wind with some headwind vectoring also. Although the RPod looks like it should be quite aerodynamic, it isn't as much so as one would wish..

When we were towing with the Ford Escape, I added a PurpleLine Aero Plus wind deflector. That helped significantly. However, when we changed to the Frontier, it does not help as much because it is located too far forward to be of use. If we had a truck cap that would allow me to place it toward the rear of the cap, it would work much better, but we don't.


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Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: Tars Tarkas
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2020 at 10:19pm
That seems about right, maybe a little low, which might be due to your speed and the headwind. 

TT


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Posted By: Olddawgsrule
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2020 at 7:05am
I have a v6 Taco (Tow Package) and your numbers are much lower than mine. Key item, I don't drive faster than 65mph.

Terrain means everything to mileage as does your rpm's, how hard your engine is working. Keeping the rpm's down and not being the first over the hill makes a big difference. Even just driving up a mild slope on the highway and the TV down shifts to 5th, I manually kick it back to 6th gear.

When we go, we go for up 6-8 weeks and will go into Canada. Gas mileage and keeping the cost down is very important to us (especially in areas of high costs).

I average 14mpg when towing. I track this not by the digital meter, but by mileage/gallons at the pump.

Note: Check your tires for spec's. Adjust air pressure for road and temperature conditions. Check your speed rating, at 70-75mph you may also be driving over it..

MHO 


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Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2020 at 7:18am
StephenH is correct, it is air drag that's killing your fuel economy. Drag doesn't increase exponentially with speed but it does increase with the square of the speed. IOW, doubling the speed increases drag by a factor of 4. And, even a little headwind makes a huge difference. Say you had 10 mph headwind and you're going 75 mph. That's a relative wind speed of 85, and your air drag will be double what it would be driving 60 with no headwind!

Assuming flat ground the two forces you are burning fuel to overcome are rolling resistance and air drag.  At freeway speeds rolling resistance is typically only about half of air drag when towing. Rolling resistance is effected by rig weight, tire pressure and tread, drivetrain friction, and road surface. Drag is effected by the shape of the rig and the relative winds speed (headwind plus road speed). So, since rolling resistance is already much the smaller of the two forces, trailer weight doesn't really have much impact on fuel economy. 

That's on flat ground. Going up a mountain weight obviously has a big impact, and you don't really get much of that back going downhill. But I don't know how much elevation change you had on your route. 

So as StephenH says, the best thing to do if you want better fuel economy is to slow down. Driving 60 vs 75 should, roughly speaking, increase your fuel economy by about 25% assuming flat ground and no wind, even more with a headwind. I get about 13-14 mpg on flat ground with no wind cruising at 60 in my rig.  Relax and enjoy the ride, you're camping. 






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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: Medicine Wolf
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2020 at 8:30am
Thanks for the replies....there was definitely some hills and gradual inclines along the way..the speed limit is 80 mph on that stretch...but I’ll try 60-65 mph next time and check tire pressure.....since none of you mentioned repacking wheel bearings I’ll skip having that done....on inclines the truck would shift to 5k rpms and then back to 3k an then back to 5k etc...I’m guessing slowing down would help that even on hills


Posted By: mjlrpod
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2020 at 8:39am
I try to keep my r.p.m.'s at 3000. On inclines, I try to keep it under 3500 if i'm trying to pick up speed. It will jump up to 4000 if I give a little to much gas, but then I back off. I think 5000 r.p.m. is way to much. I have a Nissan Frontier, and I tow in 4th gear (no overdrive). I often drive 70 mph, maybe this will help? 

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2020 R-pod 195
2015 Frontier sv 4.0L 6cyl
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Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2020 at 8:55am
If you want to exclude bearings and brake dragging as problems you can take a run down a flat road at highway speed for a few miles, with your brake controller disconnected so you aren't using the trailer brakes. Be careful obviously. Then stop and carefully touch the brake drums and hubs. They shouldn't be hot, just warm. If they're hot then something is probably dragging and you can take a closer look, if not you can exclude that as an issue. 

Some of us keep ir thermometers in our tool kits to check our brake temps. I find it a very useful tool and use mine to adjust my brake controller to get a good balance of brake temp between the TV and trailer brakes after a long downhill grade. 

The biggest help on hills is probably going to be trying to get as much of the energy you put in while climbing back when you go down. Going more slowly up will allow you to pick up more speed going down without having to use your brakes or engine braking which will save fuel overall (because you can coast longer) as well save your brakes. 

And yes, generally engines are more efficient when running at lower rpm because there are less friction losses from the more slowly moving internal parts so keeping in a taller gear as much as possible will help. 

So, drive like a trucker in the hills and like grandma on the flats ad you'll be amazed how much less gas you'll burn up.Tongue


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2020 at 9:49am
Originally posted by offgrid

StephenH is correct, it is air drag that's killing your fuel economy. Drag doesn't increase exponentially with speed but it does increase with the square of the speed. IOW, doubling the speed increases drag by a factor of 4. And, even a little headwind makes a huge difference. Say you had 10 mph headwind and you're going 75 mph. That's a relative wind speed of 85, and your air drag will be double what it would be driving 60 with no headwind!
Thanks. I knew exponential was not right, but I couldn't remember the correct figures. It still isn't linear though, which is correct. Smile
+1 on not needing to be the first one up the hill though. When we were driving out west with an 80 mph speed limit, I was still driving at 60 mph. That paid off when we had our accident in Wyoming. It turns out that the legal towing speed limit in Wyoming is 60 mph, so I was not cited when we hit the ice with the crosswind. It was written up as unavoidable.



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StephenH
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Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2020 at 10:03am
All the above is spot on. Even though an Rpod looks like a teardrop, it is not all that aerodynamic. If you want better gas mileage, you need to slow down. I guess we have a built in advantage out here, as California limits all vehicles pulling a trailer to the double nickel (AKA 55 MPH). We typically get 14, and occasionally 15 MPG pulling the Rpod with our F-150.

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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: john in idaho
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2020 at 10:13am
I have driven that route many times.  The Hammet hill really sucks the gas.  I have found my Ram PU gets between 9 and 13.  Check the speed rating for your tires - you will be amazed at how low the top speed is.  I now have E load rated tires with a speed rating of the mid 70s.  I like a little cushion for safety.
My truck seems to like 62 mph.  You never have to pass anyone and the road is always clear in front of you.  Don't try to speed up going uphill.


Posted By: Medicine Wolf
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2020 at 10:24am
Thanks john! 


Posted By: Pod_Geek
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2020 at 10:45am
Originally posted by StephenH

...When we were driving out west with an 80 mph speed limit, I was still driving at 60 mph. That paid off when we had our accident in Wyoming. It turns out that the legal towing speed limit in Wyoming is 60 mph, so I was not cited when we hit the ice with the crosswind. It was written up as unavoidable.

I'd be curious as to what the consensus is regarding driving 70-75mph while towing.  I keep it at/under 65 (less in a crosswind) based on recommendations from users on another forum.


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2020.5 R-Pod 195 Hood River
2018 RAM 2500 6.4L


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2020 at 10:52am
60-62 for me, faster just burns fuel for a slight time savings. I'm not in a hurry anyway. 

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2020 at 11:06am
If you do a search for towing speed limits, there is a wide variety of speed limits by states. Some, like California, NY and NJ have a 55 mph towing speed limit. That seems to be almost universally disregarded, especially on the Interstates with the exception of a few like me. I think it is dangerous to drive much faster anyway. If you think that 5th wheels are immune to sway, then you havent' see some of the videos I have which almost always end badly. One thing that I can say about our 'Pods is that the lower, wider stance makes them a bit better in crosswind situations, especially if one has a good WD hitch with sway control or other manual or electronic sway control.

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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2020 at 11:21am
55 for me, unless I have a big rig riding my tail, then I may go up to 56, due to the push of air from behind.  

For our maiden voyage returning from Las Vegas to home, through a nasty storm with awful headwinds all the way, we still got 14 mpg, according to the truck's computer.  Right now the computer says we're getting 24.1 mpg, but that doesn't include towing the trailer home from down south.


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Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2020 at 1:45pm
For us, 55 is a bit on the slow side, and I push it, but not too much. I will usually split the difference between 55 and 60. Call it 57.5. Maybe a little faster or slower depending on traffic. I am definitely not in a hurry when I'm camping.

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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2020 at 3:45pm
I just set the cruise control at 55 and since it has a crash avoidance thingy, I just get out a good novel and get there when I get there.*  Wink

*[for those who tend to be literal, I'm just kidding.  I only read the Senate congressional record - it keeps me awake]


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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: crw8sr
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2020 at 5:13pm
We keep our speed at 60 and our gas mileage doesn't drop that much.  Properly inflated tires helps too.

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Posted By: foadman
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2020 at 11:37am
StephenH - Another subject - I'm 75 years old and concerned about traveling and having a flat - saw your axle riser 2 X 6 jacking block on another post. I would sincerely appreciate it you could provide a dimensioned sketch so that I can have one made up. I know that if I called AAA for road service that they would probably damage my axle attempting to help me.  ps looked at all your impressive R Pod modification - thanks, definately you are the Macgyver of the R Pod world!!!!

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Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2020 at 6:53pm
Originally posted by foadman

StephenH - Another subject - I'm 75 years old and concerned about traveling and having a flat - saw your axle riser 2 X 6 jacking block on another post. I would sincerely appreciate it you could provide a dimensioned sketch so that I can have one made up. I know that if I called AAA for road service that they would probably damage my axle attempting to help me.  ps looked at all your impressive R Pod modification - thanks, definately you are the Macgyver of the R Pod world!!!!
I replied to your private message. In essence, I just used scrap lumber to make the block. There is no real design. Just make a V notch and then make the part where the wires run along the axle wide enough so that the wires don't get pinched. Make the notch deep enough so the weight of the RPod rests on the axle mounting bracket, not the axle tube.


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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

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Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS



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