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Topic: New Model
Posted By: mjlrpod
Subject: New Model
Date Posted: 11 May 2020 at 11:03am
I heard there is a new Rpod floorplan coming. The R-pod 202. It's a whopping 25 feet long if the rumor I heard is true. I saw a (real?) floorplan, and I didn't love it. Anybody heard this ?



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2017.5 Rp-172
2020 R-pod 195
2015 Frontier sv 4.0L 6cyl
I'll be rpodding



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Posted By: jato
Date Posted: 11 May 2020 at 4:26pm
This is true.  Travis Mattingly posted it on the FB site a few days ago.  Doesn't flip my switch, that is for sure.  Also the dry weight is pushing 5000 lbs, so much for towing that unless you have a pickup or a beefy SUV.  Thinking out loud, that is over twice the weight of my 177.



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God's pod
'11 model 177
'17 Ford F-150 4WD 3.5 Ecoboost
Jim and Diane by beautiful Torch Lake
"...and you will know the Truth and the Truth will set you free."


Posted By: marwayne
Date Posted: 11 May 2020 at 4:44pm
I saw the post by Travis, so I encourage SUV owners not to ask if there SUV can handle that monster

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If you want something done right, do it yourself.
2011 RP172, 2016 Tundra 5.7 Litre, Ltd.




Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 11 May 2020 at 5:25pm
Originally posted by marwayne

I saw the post by Travis, so I encourage SUV owners not to ask if there SUV can handle that monster

What!??
My Highlander has a max tow weight of 5000 lbs so how come I can't tow a trailer that only weighs 5000 lbs? And why can't I load my Harley on the tongue?
The Highlander has 7 seats if you include the jump seats so how come I can't also take the whole family and carry our 7 kayaks on the roof?
I like to boondock and my 5 teenage daughters all take 15 minute showers twice a day, so i want to fill an extra 1000 gallon water bladder and bring it along, plus 6 full propane bottles because they like HOT showers. Plus 7 golf cart batteries because they watch a lot of TV and chat wit all their friends after their showers.  If I'm using my weight distribution hitch won't it automatically shift the weight to balance out all the axles exactly equally? 
I read somewhere on the internet that somebody did i already and it was fine so what's the problem?
You guys on the rPod owner's site are all Debbie Downers....Angry


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: CharlieM
Date Posted: 11 May 2020 at 7:06pm
Are they sticking with a single axle? I don't do Facebook so I can't check. I like Offgrid's approach.

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Charlie
Northern Colorado
OLD: 2013 RP-172, 2010 Honda Pilot 3.5L 4WD
PRESENT: 2014 Camplite 21RBS, 2013 Supercharged Tacoma 4L V6 4WD


Posted By: marwayne
Date Posted: 11 May 2020 at 9:09pm
They have two torsion Axles.

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If you want something done right, do it yourself.
2011 RP172, 2016 Tundra 5.7 Litre, Ltd.




Posted By: jato
Date Posted: 12 May 2020 at 5:55am
[QUOTE=offgrid]
You guys on the rPod owner's site are all Debbie Downers....Angry

Yeppir, amazing that some people actually think that way.  Thanks offgrid for the parody LOL



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God's pod
'11 model 177
'17 Ford F-150 4WD 3.5 Ecoboost
Jim and Diane by beautiful Torch Lake
"...and you will know the Truth and the Truth will set you free."


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 12 May 2020 at 8:38am
+1 

My wife and I like the layout. However, it is not something we will run out and get. I just finished some major mods to our 179 (LiFePO4 battery, solar panel, and DC to DC charger among them), and we have not had a chance to test them yet. While our Frontier would likely be able to tow it without problems, I think I still would want something with a bit more torque and horsepower to do so.



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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: codycountry
Date Posted: 12 May 2020 at 8:28pm
Here is the link for the new rpod.  
You have to go through the bath to get to the bed!  
Very strange designed floorplan that can't feel very spacious inside the kitchen/living room compartment that they created, since the bath and bedroom are in line and separate compartments.    I am not impressed.  
There must be a market out there for a bigger Rpod or they wouldn't be doing it.  
Not a tow problem for me since I pull with a F250 Super duty, but I'm not buying one even if they make a thirty footer.  Love our 177 HRE.  
Their R&D department is looking at some strange demographics out there, I think.  Wish one of the RV mags would do an interview with them. 
https://www.facebook.com/rpodRV/photos/a.692211287513330/2956478944419875/?type=3&theater


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 12 May 2020 at 10:00pm
I think Forest River subscribes to the bigger is better belief.  The market is so saturated with similar trailers that the brand name differentiation is going to be lost in the very crowded 25'+ trailer market.  The floor plan is almost identical to the Gulfstream 23RSS.  But what the heck, Warren Buffett is a pretty rich guy and can play around in the travel trailer market if he likes. 

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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 13 May 2020 at 7:04am
At $68B Buffett is number 5 on the billionaire hit parade. But Buffett is famously hands off direct management of Berkshire Hathaway investments, known as "delegator in chief" in the investment world. 

I think FR is now milking the rPod brand as much as possible for short term profit. What they are doing by making  rPods that are indistinguishable from other TT's will destroy any brand differentiation and result in the demise of the rPod brand. Next couple of years we'll probably see 40 ft 5th wheel "rPods" if they think they can sell those as step up rigs.  

As volatile as the RV market is that probably makes sense for FR, developing a brand to enhance its distinctiveness is not a mindset that most of the RV industry has, any more than quality is. Other than Airstream and a handful of other smaller companies no one attempts it. 


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: mjlrpod
Date Posted: 13 May 2020 at 8:18am
I don't understand why people feel that if THEY disagree, it must be wrong. Can't people get what THEY like without being treated like lepers.  I personally don't want one of them, but, I don't think I should tell others they are somehow ruining the rpods. Restaurants sell chicken, steak, and eggplant parm. If you don't like the eggplant, you don't order it. But my meal isn't ruined because you did. We all have a dometic fridge, a suburban WH, and a faulty black tube hanger. We are all podders. Let's make sure we don't lose THAT. 

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2017.5 Rp-172
2020 R-pod 195
2015 Frontier sv 4.0L 6cyl
I'll be rpodding


Posted By: Pod People
Date Posted: 13 May 2020 at 8:29am
Is there a floorplan or info available for those of us that are not on Facebook?? I would like to see this new model.
Thank you
Vann


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Vann & Laura 2015 RPod 179
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Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 13 May 2020 at 8:29am
Who said folks can't get what they want or that the customers are ruining the rPod brand? I said that FR is making a conscious decision to market the brand in a particular way that makes sense to them in their market. They aren't Airstream, and most rPod buyers are not buying because of brand loyalty. Buy whatever you want, its fine with me. 

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: mjlrpod
Date Posted: 13 May 2020 at 8:42am
Originally posted by offgrid


What they are doing by making  rPods that are indistinguishable from other TT's will destroy any brand differentiation and result in the demise of the rPod brand. Next couple of years we'll probably see 40 ft 5th wheel "rPods" if they think they can sell those as step up rigs.  

I may have misread it. I certainly don't feel that someone else's choice affects mine. I'm a relatively new comer to Rpods, I got my first in 2016. I love seeing all the various models available, and yet, I feel like I still know it. It's a pod!! 


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2017.5 Rp-172
2020 R-pod 195
2015 Frontier sv 4.0L 6cyl
I'll be rpodding


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 13 May 2020 at 8:47am
Van and Laura, I just copied and pasted the link and got in.  A popup appears trying to get you to sell your soul and your fist born child to Mr. Zuckerberg, but I clicked the no thanks and went right to the post.

As for brand names, for many people brands are important and they develop a feeling of loyalty to them.  For others, like me, it's all a matter of the best quality, value, function, and durability for the money.  I don't care what the brand name is, though I do try to stay away from companies with a reputation for poor quality and service.  

When we decided to get a little bit bigger trailer, I didn't feel the bigger rPods had anything to differentiate them from other trailers.  What was important was finding a slightly bigger trailer with a full bath that I could navigate in the night, a walk around bed, a comfortable seating area, and a functional galley, all of which was in a relatively light weight package.  I also wanted to get away from the outboard wheels as they take up a lot more road space but really don't make much of an improvement in the interior space.  I also have to confess that I got spooked by so many rPodders having bent axle problems, so I got a trailer with an I-beam frame and a short distance between the frame and the wheels.  It turned out to be another FR product and was of "average and merchantable" quality, just like pretty much anything in the travel trailer market place.

For many, it isn't the name on the trailer but its features and function that are the deciding factors.  The r-Pod had a little nitch in the market and developed some brand loyalty, a little like the old VW beetle, but now that so many knockoffs are out there, the brand name alone will not sustain loyalty in the market.


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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 13 May 2020 at 10:04am
Yes I think you are probably misunderstanding my post, it was never intended to be a hostile response to "big rPods", just an observation.

Your personal choices as a consumer don't have much if any impact on others', but a corporation's brand management decisions can have a huge impact. Look at low many once great vehicle brands have been destroyed by bad marketing decisions. Seen any new Oldsmobiles, Pontiacs, Plymouths, Mercurys, or Saturns lately? 

I don't have a degree in marketing but I have run marketing departments in a couple of corporations and product management in others, and have taken grad level marketing courses. So I know something about brand strategy but would be happy to hear from others with more expertise than i have. 

Companies that place high importance on enhancing the long term value of their existing brand assets don't tend to stray too far from what made that brand successful in the first place. Obviously, with rPods that was a distinguishing compact size, appearance, and form factor. A 25 foot 2 axle rPod is quite different from that.  Doesn't make it bad, might be a great trailer for the value and price point. 

The point is that FR made a business decision which like all such decisions has its pros and cons. They gave up the original product positioning of the rPod in order to capture a larger market share of step up and mainstream midsize trailer buyers. Lots of good reasons for them to do that, but it will inevitably destroy the original small trailer rPod brand positioning. Probably, FR will eventually introduce a new small trailer brand. 


 


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: crw8sr
Date Posted: 13 May 2020 at 12:50pm
Gotta admire Warren Buffett, from a paperboy to number 5 on the billionaire list!  Not bad for a small town Omaha boy.  

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Chuck & Lyn
Izzy, Morkie. RIP
Zoe Joy & Gracie, Yorkie
2018 R Pod 190   
2019 Traverse

In moments of adversity;when life's a total wreck, I think of those worse off than me and really feel like heck.


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 13 May 2020 at 1:30pm
+1. As a general rule I'm not a big fan of billionaires but Buffett is an exception to that rule. He's a frugal guy. Apparently he drives an older car and still lives in the relatively modest house in Omaha he bought for $31K in 1958.  Its still a pretty nice house, don't get me wrong. 

He's a co-founder of the giving pledge and has pledged to give away 99% of his wealth to philanthropy. That only leaves him a measly 700 mil. He and Berkshire Hathaway have had significantly fewer scandals surrounding them than most enterprises of that scale and longevity. So, overall as good a record as you could ever expect from a super rich guy. Wink




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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: crw8sr
Date Posted: 13 May 2020 at 6:16pm
Warren drives a 2014 Cadillac XTS.  His modest home has an assessed tax value of $1 million.  It's a very nice house but not a mansion like you'd think.  He apparently sold his California Mansion.

Pre-Covid it wouldn't be unusual to run into him at a local restaurant or a Dairy Queen.     


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Chuck & Lyn
Izzy, Morkie. RIP
Zoe Joy & Gracie, Yorkie
2018 R Pod 190   
2019 Traverse

In moments of adversity;when life's a total wreck, I think of those worse off than me and really feel like heck.


Posted By: podwerkz
Date Posted: 13 May 2020 at 7:48pm
Yeah, me an 'ol Warren were sitting around having a beer and he asked if there might be a market for an r-pod on steroids...I said well I dunno....but might be worth a shot....

Cool


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r・pod 171 gone but not forgotten!


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 14 May 2020 at 5:48am
Originally posted by crw8sr

Warren drives a 2014 Cadillac XTS.  His modest home has an assessed tax value of $1 million.  It's a very nice house but not a mansion like you'd think.  He apparently sold his California Mansion

His CA house wasn't a mansion either. He bought it for $150K back in 71. Sold it for $7.5M in 18. Don't be fooled by the price, that's just the crazy coastal CA real estate market.  It's only 3500 square feet. 


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 14 May 2020 at 6:02am
Originally posted by podwerkz

Yeah, me an 'ol Warren were sitting around having a beer and he asked if there might be a market for an r-pod on steroids...I said well I dunno....but might be worth a shot....

Cool

Next time you're sippin' brews with 'ol Warren remind him of that giving pledge. A think a nice stimulus package to help out rPod owners who are suffering from depreciation on our unused trailers during Covid would be a great long term investment for him in promoting brand loyalty. Doesn't need to be cash, a share each of BRK.A would be fine. Or, an in kind donation of the new rPod 400 series triple axle 5'er would be OK too. Not sure what I'd do with mine but I'd figure something out.  Thumbs Up


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: furpod
Date Posted: 14 May 2020 at 12:51pm
here is a lot of the deal.. "Forest River"is made up of DOZENS of individual plants. Each plant produces a product line or a few product lines..

The plants are, more or less, treated as individual entities.. The RPod plant in Goshen produces/builds The R-Pod, the NoBo, and the Surveyor TTs. Any time a current owner wants to upgrade, etc, that plant REALLY wants to keep them as "buyers" of their products.. They don't want people to go to other lines.. that doesn't help them keep THEIR jobs..

Back in the crash of '08, the R-Pod line was just cranking up. The people who worked there then, they LOVE pods, and Podders.. Because for about 6 construction cycles, it was the explosion of the first few Pod floorplans and brand, that kept THAT plant open. Most of those people have moved on to other plants or jobs, but the ones that remain.. it's still in their blood so to speak.

So.. if someone is going to be looking for a walk around queen, 25 footer, and they don't want to move to the Surveyor line, for whatever reason(s) they may have, well, a R-Pod floor plan sort of makes sense.. Sort of. When we go back to a pod, and we will, it will be a 178 hopefully, since the 177, the most perfect floor plan, has been discontinued.


Posted By: mjlrpod
Date Posted: 15 May 2020 at 9:06am
I've seen a few people in here, that had the "I just want something a little bigger" bug, and they are no longer rpod owners. So having no option to go up a size might be great for preserving the original intent, but it isn't helping with the bottomline. I also caught the "little bigger bug" and would not be an rpod owner right now if the 195 didn't come out.  So in my case, and many others trading their 179 for one of the 19- larger models, they kept customers, but they still offer the original. 

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2017.5 Rp-172
2020 R-pod 195
2015 Frontier sv 4.0L 6cyl
I'll be rpodding


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 15 May 2020 at 9:26am
I don't think Mr. Buffett cares an iota which FR product the public buys.  The folks that work in the plants certainly do, but not the stockholders or directors.  For most RV manufacturers, they are selling fungibles, like pork bellies.  

Brand names really don't mean much in the travel trailer market.  It's really a question of whether a given trailer meets the expectations and desires of the purchaser and is affordable.  There are certainly some brands that are worse than others, but they all have serious quality control issues.  Brand loyalty in RV's is generally a false hope.


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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 16 May 2020 at 6:40am
I think furpod's description of FR's organizational structure offers a good explanation. In some companies corporate marketing is a pretty weak function, their role is mostly to manage the company website, trade show and ad budgets, and encourage/enforce some level of consistency in literature "look and feel" standards.  That leaves regional sales departments making most of the decisions of what to make and how to brand it. Sales is mostly compensated by commission so is highly reactive and has a short fuse, they are looking at what they can sell this month or this quarter, not what might be better in the longer term. 

Sounds like FR is one of those companies, which explains why their product lines overlap so much. In a volatile business like the mainstream RV industry it probably doesn't make much sense to try to invest too much in individual brand consistency and identity, too many boom/bust cycles and too much buyer decision making based on whatever the latest fad is. Just let sales drive things and sell what you can when you can. None of this bodes well for the longevity of any given brand, including the rPod brand, which was my point. 




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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: poston
Date Posted: 12 Jun 2020 at 9:06pm
Originally posted by mjlrpod

I heard there is a new Rpod floorplan coming. The R-pod 202.

I didn't see the Forest River link in the thread:

https://forestriverinc.com/rvs/travel-trailers/r-pod/RP-202/5489 - https://forestriverinc.com/rvs/travel-trailers/r-pod/RP-202/5489


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Jim
Virginia City, Nevada
2016 R-pod 180
2015 Nissan Xterra Pro-4X


Posted By: mjlrpod
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2020 at 9:06am
I've heard forest river has a new 201 model? haven't seen anything, just heard a " 201 " was seen at an R.V. show 

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2017.5 Rp-172
2020 R-pod 195
2015 Frontier sv 4.0L 6cyl
I'll be rpodding



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