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Topic: Trailer lights plug
Posted By: EchoGale
Subject: Trailer lights plug
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2020 at 4:35pm
Okay, so I messed up. I guess mistakes are inevitable but go ahead and laugh. Embarrassed

Apparently I did not get the trailer lights plugged into my TV securely. when I stopped for gas I did a walk around check and found that it had come out and dragged on the highway. Much of the black rubber on one side had worn away.  I couldn't tell if the metal had been affected so I made the rest of the trip home without plugging it back in. It was a nice sunny afternoon without much traffic and I was afraid of causing an electrical problem. 

Now I need to take it somewhere to have the plug replaced. There's no RV dealer near me (and I haven't found them helpful if they aren't servicing an RV they sold anyway). Google only turns up DYI videos and I do not want to DIM. Who should I look for to have it fixed?  Will an auto repair shop do it? Is there a better idea?

Thanks in advance


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Julie



Replies:
Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2020 at 4:40pm
I'd look for a trailer or RV place. Not a hard job, but with it disconnected you don't have trailer brakes. The lights are another issue. Best to get it fixed.

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Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."


Posted By: EchoGale
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2020 at 5:56pm
Oh I am getting it fixed. Its just there are no trailer or RV places around.  I was wondering if there were other kinds of places that might do it.

The RV places here are far away and won't look at anything for weeks.


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Julie


Posted By: Tars Tarkas
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2020 at 6:02pm
Is there a U-Haul place you could check with? 

TT


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2010 176
FJ Cruiser


Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2020 at 6:05pm
+1, anyplace that sells or rents trailers. No to say a repair shop can't do, but not a normal business practice.

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Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."


Posted By: podwerkz
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2020 at 6:14pm
Take it to a truck shop..almost any semi-trailer repair shop should be able to fix this. You might have to buy the new 7 way RV plug at a big box store or auto parts store, then drive into a truck repair facility (not a truck stop) and smile, show them the new plug, and the damaged one on the trailer, and they should have you going in under a half hour.

What you are looking for is a guy (or gal) who will just cut the old plug off, and wire on the new plug, playing attention to the color codes. This is assuming you have plenty of cable, enough that you can cut several inches off and still reach the plug without strain when turning.

Be sure to test all functions after the job is done, before you leave the lot.


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r・pod 171 gone but not forgotten!


Posted By: EchoGale
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2020 at 6:19pm
Thanks...and thanks for the reminder to check everything.  How can I tell that the brakes are working?

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Julie


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2020 at 7:07pm
Go to an empty parking lot and use the manual slide lever on your brake controller. See if it can stop the rig without using the brake pedal.

If you can’t find anyone to fix it for you go to any auto parts store or big box hardware place, get a new 7 way trailer connector and rewire it yourself. Do one wire at a time to be sure you don’t get them crossed up. You will need a wire cutter/stripper and a screwdriver. I’ve had my connector fall out too on one of my trailers, you’re not alone. 😜

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2020 at 8:40pm
+1. You can get a replacement connector at Walmart in their RV section of the automotive department as well. They really are not hard to replace. Don't wait for a shop to do it. You would end up paying a whole lot more than you would if you do it yourself. Offgrid's advice about moving one wire at a time is good if you can get to the termoinsals on your original plug. If you have to cut the wire off, you can still do it, but a multimeter will be handy to test which wire is hich in the old connector so you can match the colors for your new connector.

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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: EchoGale
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2020 at 8:57pm
Lol...you guys have way too much confidence in me. I've had the multi meter for a year and a half and only recently learned used it to test voltage in my battery (I couldn't figure out how it works with all those cryptic symbols and stuff) i certainly couldn't use it to do any part of this. I've never even heard the word termoinsals; so, no, I can't get to them (it?). Believe me, I've been thrifty since before it was cool but sometimes it's worth paying someone with skills.

I do need a little more help, though, on figuring out if my brakes are working. I do not have a "manual slide" on a brake controller my brake controller is built into my computer system.


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Julie


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2020 at 9:01pm
+1 or 2 or 3 to what the others have said. Take it to O'Reilly's or Pep Boys or almost anywhere and they can wire it up for you.

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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: Tars Tarkas
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2020 at 10:02pm
Unless you have bare metal showing in the core of the plug, and that metal is visibly scraped away, the plug may still be perfectly usable.  Two tests: plug it in and see if all of the lights do what they're supposed to do, and see if it will physically stay plugged in, assuming you plug it in correctly.

TT


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2010 176
FJ Cruiser


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2020 at 10:15pm
Originally posted by EchoGale

Lol...you guys have way too much confidence in me. I've had the multi meter for a year and a half and only recently learned used it to test voltage in my battery (I couldn't figure out how it works with all those cryptic symbols and stuff) i certainly couldn't use it to do any part of this. I've never even heard the word termoinsals; so, no, I can't get to them (it?). Believe me, I've been thrifty since before it was cool but sometimes it's worth paying someone with skills.

I do need a little more help, though, on figuring out if my brakes are working. I do not have a "manual slide" on a brake controller my brake controller is built into my computer system.
Please refresh my memory. What tow vehicle do you have? I can't imaging any trailer brake system controller, whether after market or factory installed, not having some form of manual control.


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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: podwerkz
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2020 at 10:48pm
The reason I urged the OP to have the plug replaced by a 'pro' is because, if she is unfamiliar with this stuff (she is) and messes something up in the wiring (it could happen) then bad things might occur.

Its an easy fix for some of us, but for others, not so much. 

And yes, I'm also curious about the brake controller with no manual settings.


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r・pod 171 gone but not forgotten!


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2020 at 6:41am
termoinsals. Never heard of 'em either. Are they some kinda fancy bath salts? LOL

EchoGale, there has to be some way for your brake controller to be adjusted to provide the the right amount of braking action from the trailer. That is generally done with a manual control and the parking lot process I referred to. You can also use the manual control to stop mild trailer sway if you were to ever experience that. I've never seen a brake controller without a manual control either. How did you get it set it up to begin with? 

Podwerks, you are right that you have to be careful when wiring up a connector. But, as long as you don't get the ground connection screwed up nothing bad will happen. Its just annoying because your lights will be messed up till you get it right. I just had that happen to me on my old horse trailer, the connector was old and cracked and fell out, by the time I got home it was just bare wires. The color codes couldn't be used, its a 1980's European trailer. The multimeter can be used to get the ground connection right, after that it was trial and error. 


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: JR
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2020 at 7:51am
In your original post you said that a lot of the black rubber was worn away and you didn't know if the medal had been effected, correct?  If that is the case are you describing the "plug" or has the wire itself on the trailer lost some of its black rubber?  If the black rubber on the wire itself has been worn down due to dragging if that is the case then that will also have to be checked and or repaired as needed.  I also would think that any reputable auto repair shop could do the work you need done.  

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Jay

179/2019


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2020 at 8:00am
If the rubber on the cable itself is what is worn, then it is very likely that the whole cable will need to be replaced. In that case, the wiring of the plug is moot since a new cable will come with a new plug already attached. Then it becomes a matter of going underneath to the junction where the cable ties into the rest of the wiring.

If you feel uncomfortable doing this, then by all means find someone local who can do this for you. Don't wait on a dealer. Do a search for RV repair and see if there is an independent shop near you which can get to it quicker.


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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: EchoGale
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2020 at 8:35am
Thanks for all the help.
The plastic covering on the plug is worn away exposing the metal of the plug. The cord itself is fine.

My tow vehicle is a 2016 BMW X3 with a factory tow package. There is no separate brake controller device. The computer knows when the trailer is plugged in. I bought this used from a non-BMW dealership so they couldn't tell me much about it.  What I know is from the BMW forum.



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Julie


Posted By: podwerkz
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2020 at 10:59am
Sounds to me like there is no brake controller present, only a computer that's able to detect that a trailer is hooked up...and possibly switching automatically to 'tow/haul' mode.

Hmmm.


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r・pod 171 gone but not forgotten!


Posted By: podwerkz
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2020 at 11:09am
Originally posted by offgrid


Podwerks, you are right that you have to be careful when wiring up a connector. But, as long as you don't get the ground connection screwed up nothing bad will happen. 


Wrong.

The ground connection shorting to some other wire IS a bad thing that could happen. Fuses can blow, lights wont work...maybe even a scorched wiring harness or a blown computer. This is what I was referring to. 

Also, if things are not wired correctly, 12 volts from the brake light circuit, for example, might be applied directly to the brake magnets..full power to the brakes with no 'modulation'..just locked up trailer wheels the first time the brake pedal is touched.

Or, the brake circuit might end up powering the AUX connection to the trailer battery...oops...I bet the vehicle ECM wont like that...not at all, especially if the polarity got reversed.

Or, the trailer turn signals could end up reversed...maybe even cause an accident when you 'zig' and the other vehicles in that intersection expect you to 'zag'.

All I'm saying is....it HAS to be done correctly, or, NOT AT ALL. Guessing about the wire positions during replacement, and hoping it is OK, is NOT AN OPTION.
 



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r・pod 171 gone but not forgotten!


Posted By: Pete Brayton
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2020 at 11:19am
There is a guy who advertises remote rv repairs on my local Craigslist. You might check your local listings to see if someone does that.

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2021 Rpod 196
2013 Ford 150 V8


Posted By: EchoGale
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2020 at 11:54am
Thanks...I've found two places to try now.

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Julie


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2020 at 2:08pm
Originally posted by EchoGale

Thanks for all the help.
The plastic covering on the plug is worn away exposing the metal of the plug. The cord itself is fine.

My tow vehicle is a 2016 BMW X3 with a factory tow package. There is no separate brake controller device. The computer knows when the trailer is plugged in. I bought this used from a non-BMW dealership so they couldn't tell me much about it.  What I know is from the BMW forum.

You likely do not have a brake controller. Etrailer sells brake controllers that say they are for the BMW X3. If etrailer sells them, then it is likely that one is not included. Every brake controller I have seen has had some form of manual control. If you don't have one, then please get it checked out and get one installed. You would not be towing legally in many states without one. You really do need the trailer brakes to help you stop. That is a lot of additional weight back there.


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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: EchoGale
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2020 at 2:35pm
I will look unto this further. 

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Julie


Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2020 at 3:11pm
Another reason to go to a repair shop, the brake controller issue concerns me. You need a brake controller.

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Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2020 at 3:15pm
+1. Brake controllers are a must. 

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: EchoGale
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2020 at 3:28pm
I will. 

But I can't believe I don't have brakes. I've towed over 8k miles at this point. Up and down mountains (albeit Eastern ones), small windey roads and bumper to bumper on the NJ turnpike. I am careful about speed but I've never felt trouble stopping. Moreover, when I first got the trailer the emergency brake release had corroded and broke loose, and the brakes engaged.

But I don't mess around with safety stuff. :)


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Julie


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2020 at 3:31pm
Originally posted by podwerkz

Originally posted by offgrid


Podwerks, you are right that you have to be careful when wiring up a connector. But, as long as you don't get the ground connection screwed up nothing bad will happen. 


Wrong.

The ground connection shorting to some other wire IS a bad thing that could happen. Fuses can blow, lights wont work...maybe even a scorched wiring harness or a blown computer. This is what I was referring to. 

Also, if things are not wired correctly, 12 volts from the brake light circuit, for example, might be applied directly to the brake magnets..full power to the brakes with no 'modulation'..just locked up trailer wheels the first time the brake pedal is touched.

Or, the brake circuit might end up powering the AUX connection to the trailer battery...oops...I bet the vehicle ECM wont like that...not at all, especially if the polarity got reversed.

Or, the trailer turn signals could end up reversed...maybe even cause an accident when you 'zig' and the other vehicles in that intersection expect you to 'zag'.

All I'm saying is....it HAS to be done correctly, or, NOT AT ALL. Guessing about the wire positions during replacement, and hoping it is OK, is NOT AN OPTION.
 

s
Nope, not wrong. That's why I said you have to get the ground right, so the polarity is not reversed. Nothing bad means no arcs and sparks, not that you don't have to go through and be sure everything is connected right. Of course you do. Trial an error is sometimes necessary and can be done safely as long as you get the polarity right to start with, which can be verified with a multimeter. 


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2020 at 3:33pm
I have faith in you. Just get it checked, we all know when our brakes are working or not working, so asking concerned me. Plus I've never seen a controller that doesn't have a manual mode, I could be in left field, but better safe than sorry.

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Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."


Posted By: EchoGale
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2020 at 3:34pm
absolutely. :)

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Julie


Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2020 at 3:37pm
Sweet.

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Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2020 at 3:40pm
Originally posted by EchoGale

I will. 

But I can't believe I don't have brakes. I've towed over 8k miles at this point. Up and down mountains (albeit Eastern ones), small windey roads and bumper to bumper on the NJ turnpike. I am careful about speed but I've never felt trouble stopping. Moreover, when I first got the trailer the emergency brake release had corroded and broke loose, and the brakes engaged.

But I don't mess around with safety stuff. :)

The emergency breakaway system works independently from the TV brakes so that wouldn't prove anything one way or the other. 

I'm pretty sure you don't have a brake controller either, a quick scan of the BMW forums suggests that folks are adding them after purchase. 


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2020 at 3:44pm
+1

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Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2020 at 4:23pm
+2
The only way it would have one is if you purchased it used and the previous owner added it. It does not come with one from the factory.


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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: Colt
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2020 at 5:53pm
Miss Julie,

Are you still in FL?  There are 11 Gander/Campingworld stores in Florida, plus 6 BigTex Trailer dealers.  Surely one is close enough to be practical.  Anybody that sells commercial trailers, like flat-bed or horse trailers can fix it. 

A brake controller will always have an adjustment button/knob to set the trailer brakes for the trailer's weight.  Here is one from BMW.


I have a Redarc inertial controller.  It only has one 5/8" knob sticking out of the dash. 


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John
'16 R-Pod 180


Posted By: EchoGale
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2020 at 1:05pm
Hi everyone...a little update here.

First, I am not in Florida right now. I made my annual summer trip home (with the pod) to Maine and just stayed here.  I'm teaching online this term and don't need to be Florida for the heat and the virus. Yay!

My SUV and the pod are at a great truck and trailer place I found not too far away.  The guy is so thorough, which I appreciate.  He had heard of computer built-in controllers and was willing to trace down the computer settings and various wires in my BMW to figure out for sure.  He determined (as many of you thought) I do not have one (I'm shocked really).  I'll be adding it by the end of the week (while also replacing the electrical plug I destroyed.)

Thanks for all the help.


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Julie


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2020 at 2:16pm
Well that's good news. You have found a problem before it found you!

If he hasn't already done so, I would ask your guy to also check the wear on your SUV brakes as that might have been a little excessive over the time you've been towing. That's particularly true of the rear TV wheels which tend to carry the most load while towing. 

The good news is you have zero wear on your rPod brakes. Big smile


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: EchoGale
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2020 at 2:54pm
will do

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Julie


Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2020 at 5:52pm
Ms Julie, you are making headway. Things will be better. :)

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Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."


Posted By: podwerkz
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2020 at 8:43pm
Julie, I'm glad you never drove faster than your guardian angel could fly. 

Get a brake controller installed, get used to the new quicker stops, and enjoy!


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r・pod 171 gone but not forgotten!


Posted By: EchoGale
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2020 at 9:02pm
Happening Friday. I was always a speed demon in a fast six speed til I got the precious little camper. Now I drive like an old lady so I don't hurt it.

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Julie


Posted By: CharlieM
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2020 at 10:30pm
Originally posted by EchoGale


My SUV and the pod are at a great truck and trailer place I found not too far away.  The guy is so thorough, which I appreciate.  He had heard of computer built-in controllers and was willing to trace down the computer settings and various wires in my BMW to figure out for sure.  He determined (as many of you thought) I do not have one (I'm shocked really).  I'll be adding it by the end of the week (while also replacing the electrical plug I destroyed.)

Thanks for all the help.


My two cents worth and a recommendation. Get your repair guy to install a Tekonsha P3 brake controller:
https://www.amazon.com/Tekonsha-90195-Electronic-Brake-Control/dp/B000P17NXQ/ref=sr_1_2?crid=1U5HHYV4GB1XG&dchild=1&keywords=tekonsha+p3+brake+controller&qid=1597893609&sprefix=tekonsha+%2Caps%2C266&sr=8-2 - https://www.amazon.com/Tekonsha-90195-Electronic-Brake-Control/dp/B000P17NXQ/ref=sr_1_2?crid=1U5HHYV4GB1XG&dchild=1&keywords=tekonsha+p3+brake+controller&qid=1597893609&sprefix=tekonsha+%2Caps%2C266&sr=8-2
It's very good and very popular with RVers. It's a few bucks more than its little brother, the P2, but so much easier to use. The display uses actual English words instead of cryptic symbols. It's also a true inertial device which is good.


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Charlie
Northern Colorado
OLD: 2013 RP-172, 2010 Honda Pilot 3.5L 4WD
PRESENT: 2014 Camplite 21RBS, 2013 Supercharged Tacoma 4L V6 4WD


Posted By: podwerkz
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2020 at 10:51pm
There may not be much room to install one of those, but there are several good ones with remote display and control, where the main unit mounts under the seat or up under the dash, out of sight and out of the way. 

Then there are the wireless bluetooth units. 

So, Julie, if you dont really have a good place to mount one, then keep in mind there are alternatives that will fit, one way or another. 


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r・pod 171 gone but not forgotten!


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2020 at 5:18am
Originally posted by CharlieM

 

 It's a few bucks more than its little brother, the P2, but so much easier to use. The display uses actual English words instead of cryptic symbols. It's also a true inertial device which is good.

Disagree, The P2 is significantly cheaper, smaller, and does all the same functions as the P3, and is also inertial. The display is just fine. It says "nc" when its not connected, "c" when its connected, and when in use gives the voltage that its sending to the trailer brakes. It's not at all hard to understand.

I gather that if you tow multiple trailers with electric brakes the P3 has some nice functions allowing you to switch between them, but if you don''t then I don't see the point. My utility trailer has surge brakes so I only use the P2 for the rPod. 


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2020 at 5:01pm
Both are good brake controllers, I have a P3 in my last vehicle without an integrated brake controller. The P2 is a great, simple to use, easy to mount entry level brake controller, works fine with a Pod.

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Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."


Posted By: podwerkz
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2020 at 5:20pm
And then there is the dirt simple and dirt cheap Tekonsha Pod.

"Pod"... Coincidence? Maybe, and it works fine on the r-pod. 

Simple, cheap, and not much to go wrong.

http://www.etrailer.com/Trailer-Brake-Controller/Tekonsha/39523.html - https://www.etrailer.com/Trailer-Brake-Controller/Tekonsha/39523.html

Mine has been working great for about 3 years now.




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r・pod 171 gone but not forgotten!



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