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Topic: Furnace A/C Error Message E-1
Posted By: TearlessTom
Subject: Furnace A/C Error Message E-1
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2020 at 8:26pm
I did a search but nothing came up.

I was out today in my 180,  I have it hooked to 110V shore power.  I have company coming in for the week. (better half out of town kids and step-kids) They are coming in town for a wedding. So I graciously offered to leave the house to the girls  and I was going to sleep in the R-Pod  so they can talk all night like I know they will. 

Anyway I went out today and turned on the Heat / A/C unit and turned to automatic and got an Error Message of E-1.  The weather today was a very mild upper 60s lower 70s  but I could not get the unit to respond to either heat or cooling. 

What does E-1 mean and how do I trouble shoot and repair it   I checked the fuses and breakers all were good. 

What do I do next?

TIA
Tom


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Tearless Tom
2017 R-Pod 180
2014 Ford F-150 XLT 2WD 5.0



Replies:
Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2020 at 11:47am
I believe loss of comms between thermostat and AC unit. I found manual on line that says that. First recommendation is a power down and power up from a complete "cold" start. That means all CBs off and power to Pod disconnected. Some recommend you disconnect battery, let set for 15-20 minutes and repower. There is a procedure to reset thermostat, that should be in manual.

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Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."


Posted By: TearlessTom
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2020 at 1:17pm
Thanks, That is all I found also is to power down and restart.   I just disconnected the battery and shore power and waiting now.  Heading to Sam's, will turn back on when I get back.  

What is the procedure to turn on from cold start?  
Do you have a link to the manual?

  I bought the R-Pod used so I don't have ANY of the original paperwork on anything.  

If that fails I guess its time to get on the roof and look at the unit.  I just came through Hurricane Sally   Which the Pod didn't move that I can tell but I have it parked in a very protected area of my yard.   Privacy fence on the back side, tall azalea behind it and parked under an Oak tree.  with house on door entrance side and my truck parked in front.  

I do keep it covered with a large tarp that is staked out.  The tarp broke loose about 1/2  way through Sally and got hung up on the antenna and the awning.   So it may have knocked something loose up top.   

So If this doesn't work I go topside this afternoon.  





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Tearless Tom
2017 R-Pod 180
2014 Ford F-150 XLT 2WD 5.0


Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2020 at 4:11pm
Tearless, when I bought my Pod in 2015 there was no manual. I built mine from the interweb. I don't think you issue is on the roof. Lets see what happens after the "cold" start. There are many posts on numerous forums about this same issue to numerous to send you. Your issue is the thermostat is not talking to the AC unit.

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Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."


Posted By: TearlessTom
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2020 at 6:26pm
I believe you are correct as to the non-communication. I have found that on several places on the web.

I've checked all my breakers and fuses, All seem to be good.  I unplugged my shore supply line and disconnected 12volt.   Let it set for an hour or two and plugged back in.    Same issue.    So I went top side and inspected the unit.  I couldn't see any loose, or corroded wires.    There were a few ants  in the box but they were on the outside of the electrical works  None on the inside.    My concern topside were due to Hurricane Sally thinking she may have pulled something loose but nothing unusual noted. 

I sprayed it all down with contact cleaner just in case.  

So what is my weak spot the thermostat itself??? or should I look elsewhere.   We did get a few power surges during the storm but the unit wasn't turned on and I had no blown fuses. 




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Tearless Tom
2017 R-Pod 180
2014 Ford F-150 XLT 2WD 5.0


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2020 at 7:53am
Somebody needs to explain to me why in the newer rpods FR has created confusion by connecting the heater thermostat to the a/c.

There are two wires  leading from the furnace to the thermostat. I believe the internal wires in the furnace they are connected to are blue. I wouldn't trust FR to use any consistent color code on their end. 

All the thermostat does is close the circuit between those two wires to turn on the furnace and open them to shut it off. So, if you want to test to be sure your thermostat is the problem, just find the terminal positions at the furnace where the thermostat wires originate and jumper them together. Its all at 12V so no risk of electric shock. Of course, you have to wait a couple of minutes for the furnace to complete its turn on sequence. 

Here is the manual. 

https://manuals.heartlandowners.org/manuals/Heating-Cooling/Furnace/Suburban/Suburban%20FURNACE_Service-and-Training-Manual-11-05-2015.pdf - https://manuals.heartlandowners.org/manuals/Heating-Cooling/Furnace/Suburban/Suburban%20FURNACE_Service-and-Training-Manual-11-05-2015.pdf  

If the furnace works when you jumper the tstat terminals then the tstat is the problem.  If it was me I'd try to figure out how to replace it with one that isn't connected to the a/c. 


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: riotkayak284
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2020 at 3:14pm
There is a ground wire on the roof unit. Check it... What caused mine...


Posted By: TearlessTom
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2020 at 3:21pm
Where is the ground. I didn’t see one. My thermostat only has three wires to it.

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Tearless Tom
2017 R-Pod 180
2014 Ford F-150 XLT 2WD 5.0


Posted By: TearlessTom
Date Posted: 21 Oct 2020 at 9:04am
I got my brother in-law to swing by last night.  He is an A/C guy..   of coarse he worked on home 24 volt systems.   We tried jumping the system and looked for bad wires and or grounds.    He said we were at 117 volts topside. So it does have power there.  

Electrical is my Achilles heel.   As I explained to him the trailer runs on either 30 amp or 50 amp.   He says those are both 220 volts.      The trailer is hooked up to 110 volt shore line via an adapter....which as I understand it it is only 15 amps.   So could being connected to 15 amp vs 30 or 50 amps be the problem.

Could That be the problem?????

I’ve read some post that this seems to be more prevalent when hooked to 110volt shore power.  


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Tearless Tom
2017 R-Pod 180
2014 Ford F-150 XLT 2WD 5.0


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 21 Oct 2020 at 9:46am
Tearless, you are trying to run the propane furnace, right?  

That runs on 12Vdc from your battery and doesn't need shore power to operate if your battery is holding a charge. So, its not related to whether your shore power is connected or not except that you eventually need the converter to be plugged in to maintain battery charge, which a 15A circuit will supply no problem.

Your a/c tech friend is right about 240V for residential air conditioners but not for rPods. Everything in a rPod either runs on 12Vdc or 120Vac. You would not be able to run the rPod a/c on a 15A circuit (20A minimum is required) but that's not an issue for you right now. 




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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: TearlessTom
Date Posted: 21 Oct 2020 at 3:05pm
I cant even get the blower fan to turn on to circulate the air.  Thermostat not talking to anything. But seems to be functional other than that



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Tearless Tom
2017 R-Pod 180
2014 Ford F-150 XLT 2WD 5.0


Posted By: TearlessTom
Date Posted: 21 Oct 2020 at 7:19pm
Ok I replaced the thermostat tonight when I got home.   No change.  Still getting E-1.  I cant find  a replacement control board as of yet.  It is a Dometic Penguin II  according to the model # search. 

Still open for suggestions.   I did find the ground up top it was a yellow wire with red strip.  It was tight. 


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Tearless Tom
2017 R-Pod 180
2014 Ford F-150 XLT 2WD 5.0


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 22 Oct 2020 at 5:06am

Just to be clear, you're trying to get the Suburban propane furnace to work not the Dometic roof air conditioner right? 

The furnace does not need the a/c for it to work, but unfortunately in its infinite wisdom FR decided to change from a simple dedicated furnace thermostat to a fancy LCD model that also has to have connection to the a/c for it to work. The E-1 error is telling you that that a/c connection isn't there for some reason.

The furnace itself only needs a simple thermostat that closes a circuit when its calling for heat. That circuit is supplied by the furnace using two wires. If you identify those two wires and temporarily short them together the furnace should run. I suggest that you do that first so you know for sure where your problems are before tearing into the air conditioner.

I posted a link to the furnace manual earlier. If you aren't comfortable reading that to ID the right wires  maybe you can get your friend who does HVAC work to come back and do that for you.

You will need 12V power to test the furnace. The blower that's not working is the furnace blower, yes? Do your other 12V loads (lights, bath vent fan, water pump, etc) work? 

If you can confirm that your furnace is OK you can try to dig into the a/c controls or you might want to just install a simple cheap 2 wire furnace thermostat and get rid of the unnecessary complexity that FR has decided to do. That's what my 2015 179 has and it works perfectly well. Complicated isn't necessarily better, its usually the opposite. Like this:

https://www.amazon.com/Suburban-161154-Wall-Thermostat/dp/B003VB0YEC/ref=asc_df_B003VB0YEC/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=242042684287&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=14856842385697236832&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9008704&hvtargid=pla-582577147814&psc=1




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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: Dirt Sifter
Date Posted: 22 Oct 2020 at 10:02am
Offgrid - off topic sort of - are you saying that the thermostat you show above will work with the furnace and a/c unit in the newer FR pods? The DW or I bump our fancy thermostat and change settings from time to time then I have to remember how to push/hold/find glasses/cuss and reset. I like simple if it works with new. Thanks, GB

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Greg n Deb 2020 195 HRE
'07 Tundra 5.7L., '17 Tacoma 3.5L. Both with tow packages
1 Puggle, 1 Chihuahua support staff


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 22 Oct 2020 at 10:43am
Originally posted by Dirt Sifter

Offgrid - off topic sort of - are you saying that the thermostat you show above will work with the furnace and a/c unit in the newer FR pods? The DW or I bump our fancy thermostat and change settings from time to time then I have to remember how to push/hold/find glasses/cuss and reset. I like simple if it works with new. Thanks, GB

Not off topic at all, it will operate the furnace only. I was suggesting it for Tearless because it sounds like he is under the gun to get the furnace in his trailer working for his guests. 

The a/c's on the older rpods (like my 2015 179) have their tstats inside the interior a/c cover. I don't know what would be required to get a simple thermostat working in the newer Dometic a/c's, but I'd guess there would be a way. 

I'm with you on simplicity, some things have just gotten way more complicated than necessary. Thermostats are one of them in my opinion. The manufacturers seem to be in a race to add "features" most of which most folks will never fully understand much less use, especially not in a travel trailer.

The British have a great phrase they use for the preference for simple solutions that get the job done, "cheap and cheerful" they call it. Says it all I think. Thumbs Up


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: TearlessTom
Date Posted: 22 Oct 2020 at 8:38pm

Actually it was both the A/C and heater as well as the fan that will not come on.   Which leads us to believe if not the thermostat which we have ruled out the next most likely culprit would be the circuit board.  It took some doing and several phone calls and to dealers but I finally found the newest version of the circuit board.  Ordered it tonight.   

I was able to track down the ground wire. It was hidden behind some other wires but it was secure .

If the new board doesn't fix we had already discussed what you were referring to by bypassing the board and connecting a simple stupid  or not smart thermostat directly to the air conditioner and heater.  I forget exactly how he was going to do it but like I said electrical is my achilleas heel .


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Tearless Tom
2017 R-Pod 180
2014 Ford F-150 XLT 2WD 5.0


Posted By: Dirt Sifter
Date Posted: 22 Oct 2020 at 9:00pm
Glad you are on the forum Tom. You are making me break a sweat; keep us posted.

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Greg n Deb 2020 195 HRE
'07 Tundra 5.7L., '17 Tacoma 3.5L. Both with tow packages
1 Puggle, 1 Chihuahua support staff


Posted By: TearlessTom
Date Posted: 22 Oct 2020 at 9:21pm
Originally posted by Dirt Sifter

Glad you are on the forum Tom. You are making me break a sweat; keep us posted.


LOL  Not sure if that was a complement or not but I will take it as one.  I am VERY left handed or right brain oriented.   My thought process is rarely on track with others around me.  

I will let you all know what happens with the new circuit board is installed.

Oh by the way the OEM circuit board # is:  3313199.000. The newest correct version is" 3313107.076.

Boatandrvaccessories.com  has the best prices.  

https://www.boatandrvaccessories.com/products/dometic-3313107076-oem-s-z-air-conditioner-control-board-c-f


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Tearless Tom
2017 R-Pod 180
2014 Ford F-150 XLT 2WD 5.0


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2020 at 8:32am
Originally posted by TearlessTom



If the new board doesn't fix we had already discussed what you were referring to by bypassing the board and connecting a simple stupid  or not smart thermostat directly to the air conditioner and heater.  I forget exactly how he was going to do it but like I said electrical is my achilleas heel .

As Forrest Gump says, "stupid is as stupid does". Since the a/c in rpods is not a heat pump there is zero benefit -none- in having a complex control system that integrates the furnace and the a/c. Unlike in your house where you might need a control system to switch between heat pump and furnace operation automatically based on outside air temp, no one is ever going to run both at the same time in the trailer. It just makes both more prone to failure and confusion. If the circuit board doesn't work I would just get a dedicated simple thermostat for each piece of equipment and call it good, it will improve maintenance troubleshooting and simplify operation going forward.  


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: TearlessTom
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2020 at 7:24pm
I would like to thank everyone here for their help and suggestions.  As stated I was finally able to locate the board replacement and found a price of 1/2 the local stores were wanting to order it for me.   It was about $45.  

It took 3-4 days to arrive.  I installed it today.  Took about 15 minutes ..

TaDaaa!!!!  Problem is resolved.  The board fixed the problem.   

So my biggest expense was the replacement thermostat which couldn't be returned after installed so I have a replacement spare thermometer now. Doesn't take up much room in the drawer.  

Thanks again.


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Tearless Tom
2017 R-Pod 180
2014 Ford F-150 XLT 2WD 5.0



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