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Topic: Help Choosing a Tow Vehicle
Posted By: Gypsiejanie
Subject: Help Choosing a Tow Vehicle
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2020 at 2:47pm
Hi. I'm new here. I guess I did things a little backwards, I'm getting the R-Pod 196 but haven't bought a tow vehicle yet. I'm thinking about a 2020 Toyota Tacoma, which comes standard with a tow package. I'd appreciate any insights or suggestions. I've never towed a camper or trailer behind a truck, although I have driven a truck and a number of years ago I towed an equipment trailer behind a van. I"m going to be traveling around the US and want enough umph to get over mountains without putting undo stress on the tow vehicle or going 15 mph. Thanks in advance.
~Gypsiejanie



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Posted By: Pod_Geek
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2020 at 2:58pm
Looks like a lot depends on which configuration Tacoma you get:
https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ALeKk02Z3VKPCCWtleBgyfvCzAnCqW6VwA:1603828090145&q=2020+toyota+tacoma+payload&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAOPgE-LVT9c3NEzLMyrKLcyq0lLMTrbSTywtyc_NL8ksS9XPzU9JzYmvTE0ssipIrMzJT0xZxCplZGBkoFCSX5lfkqhQkpicn5uoAJUEAB-YRs1RAAAA&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwipv9-cxdXsAhVFbs0KHZPkAogQ6BMoADAYegQIFBAC - Payload : 1,120 to 1,620 lbs
https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ALeKk02Z3VKPCCWtleBgyfvCzAnCqW6VwA:1603828090145&q=2020+toyota+tacoma+towing+capacity&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAOPgE-LVT9c3NEzLMyrKLcyq0tLMTrbSTywtyc_NL8ksS9XPzU9JzYmvTE0ssirJL8_MS49PTixITM4sqVzEqmRkYGSgUJJfmV-SqFCSmJyfC6TAihRgigCbw0eVYQAAAA&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwipv9-cxdXsAhVFbs0KHZPkAogQ6BMoADAZegQIFRAC - Towing capacity : 3,500 to 6,800 lbs

I tow our 195 (loaded, no water, weighs in at 4200 lbs to 4400 lbs) with a 2017 RAM 1500 5.7L Hemi with the towing package, and I feel I have more than enough truck...can scoot up the hill on I-70 west of Denver at 65-70 if necessary.  Not sure I'd be happy with less truck.

Others more knowledgeable (and not as shy) as me will weigh in I'm sure.


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2020.5 R-Pod 195 Hood River
2018 RAM 2500 6.4L


Posted By: Gypsiejanie
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2020 at 3:23pm
I'm a little hesitant about a big truck. I'm only 5'1". I don't want to need a ladder to get in. LOL!



Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2020 at 6:39pm
My wife is 5' but has no problem getting in our F-150.  I put one of those after market step rails on it and it works great.  She likes the visibility, but has modified her seat with a cushion and back support.  Now when we have to go into town, she always prefers the truck.  We're thinking of selling our CX-5 since we hardly ever use it any more.

For a TV, just get something that has a big enough margin of error that you won't be on the ragged edge when towing your Pod.  Many people try to tow with 3500 lbs of towing capacity, but it limits you on what you can safely tow.  If you get something with a 6,000+ capacity, you'll never have to worry about whether your TV is overloaded when towing your Pod, provided you don't exceed its gross weight capacity.  Mileage will always come in at between 12 and 15 mpg if you drive 60 or under with most TV's.  You're not likely to do better no matter what you get.  Bottom line is comfort for long trips and adequate capacity to make the towing effortless.


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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: Gypsiejanie
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2020 at 7:11pm
Thank you for your input. Much appreciated.


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2020 at 7:47pm
Don't worry about horsepower for  a bit, the most important consideration when towing is managing the weight safely. 

Look at the max gross weight of the 196, ignore the empty weight. That is about 4800 lbs. Its not unlikely that yours will end up pretty close to that weight, especially if you fill your water tank for boondocking. 

Tow vehicle towing specs are stated assuming little to nothing in the tow vehicle besides the driver, which is of course unrealistic. So, add about 1000 lbs to cover passengers and cargo in the TV plus some safety factor so you're not right at your TV's limits. That gives you a tow rating of around 6000 lbs for that trailer. 

Your tongue weight should never be less than 10% under any conditions to minimize sway. In reality it will vary between around 10 and 15%, so could be as high as about 700 lbs for a 196. So, the max rated Tacoma at 6800 lbs is probably about the minimum sized TV you should be considering. Up to you if you want to go with a full sized SUV or pickup to have more safety factor.




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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: Gypsiejanie
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2020 at 3:58am
Thank you for your input. Very helpful.


Posted By: mjlrpod
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2020 at 6:43am
I will just cut ti the chase here. The tacoma is absolutely fine for pulling the 196. The only concern would be if you are traveling in the rocky mtns regularly. I pull a 195 (same camper) with a Frontier (same truck) with no problem.



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2017.5 Rp-172
2020 R-pod 195
2015 Frontier sv 4.0L 6cyl
I'll be rpodding


Posted By: Pod_Geek
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2020 at 8:14am
Originally posted by mjlrpod

I will just cut ti the chase here. The tacoma is absolutely fine for pulling the 196. The only concern would be if you are traveling in the rocky mtns regularly. I pull a 195 (same camper) with a Frontier (same truck) with no problem.


Originally posted by Gypsiejanie

...I"m going to be traveling around the US and want enough umph to get over mountains without putting undo stress on the tow vehicle or going 15 mph....

Well, my take is that Gypsiejanie wants to do just that...tow in the mountains if she so chooses.  How does the Frontier do going up Monarch or Vail Pass?


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2020.5 R-Pod 195 Hood River
2018 RAM 2500 6.4L


Posted By: CharlieM
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2020 at 8:47am
Voice of experience here. I tow a similar sized trailer with a 2013 Tacoma in the Rockies and do just fine. Be sure you get the 3.6L engine, factory tow package, and 4WD. The last is important when towing on anything other than I-70 in sunshine. I opted for the supercharger specifically for mountain altitudes but that's no longer available. Even without the SC the Tacoma will get you to the top of the pass just fine. Maybe not first, but way ahead of the 18 wheelers.

You will also want a weight distribution hitch (WDH) like the Fastway E2 and a transmission temperature monitoring device such as the ScanGauge.

Certainly the F-150 etc will tow better but it's harder to climb into for small folks and a lot bigger in town. I (we) considered both but I'm very happy with the Tacoma, both for everyday driving and off to the the hills with the trailer.


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Charlie
Northern Colorado
OLD: 2013 RP-172, 2010 Honda Pilot 3.5L 4WD
PRESENT: 2014 Camplite 21RBS, 2013 Supercharged Tacoma 4L V6 4WD


Posted By: Pod_Geek
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2020 at 9:12am
Here's a (possibly) helpful link:

https://news.pickuptrucks.com/2019/10/breaking-down-the-2020-toyota-tacomas-towing-capacities.html


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2020.5 R-Pod 195 Hood River
2018 RAM 2500 6.4L


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2020 at 9:46am
For me the reason for choosing a full size pickup over a mid sized one would be to have the additional safety margin in weight handling capacity, particularly if you are going to boon dock and carry water and lots of gear in the tow vehicle. 

The fuel economy of a full size pickup vs a mid size is not really significant when not towing and nonexistant towing. For example the 3.5L 4wd Taco is rated 18 city/22 highway vs the F150 4wd 3.5L at 16/22.  Either is going to provide around 13-14 mpg towing on flat ground in the 60-65 mph range. 

Beyond that its what you're comfortable with driving around not towing. You might want to consider an SUV rather than a pickup as well. Depends what other uses you plan on for the vehicle and how many passengers you have. Personally I need two row seating and find the double cab pickups with a "vestigial" 5 to 5.5 foot bed pretty useless as work vehicles, and the full size bed double cab trucks too long to maneuver.   So not being able to afford dedicated vehicles, I use an SUV and a utility trailer for work and the SUV and rpod for travel. 

Test drive a few vehicles with tow ratings of 6500 lbs or more and 4wd then decide. 





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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: Pod_Geek
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2020 at 10:01am
Originally posted by offgrid

...Test drive a few vehicles with tow ratings of 6500 lbs or more and 4wd then decide. 

I found it interesting that in the link I posted that 2WD Tacomas have a higher tow rating than 4WD.  Is that due to the added weight associated with 4WD vehicles?


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2020.5 R-Pod 195 Hood River
2018 RAM 2500 6.4L


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2020 at 10:34am
Yep, if you look at the Toyota website the 4wd weighs 240lbs more than the 2wd with the same trim. The GVWR and MCVWR are identical. The payload on the 4wd is 240 lbs less. The towing capacity difference is rounded up to 300 lbs. 

I'm with CharlieM though re 4wd for towing, there have been many many times I've been glad to have it, not just in inclement weather but on soft surface roads with steeper grades, and even pulling a trailer up a slight slope on wet grass. 


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2020 at 10:58am
The same exists for the Frontier. It likely is the additional weight and drag of the 4WD gearing.


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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

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Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: Capt Kidd
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2020 at 12:32pm
I tow my 196 with a Dodge Durando V-6.  No WHD hitch or sway bars and it tows just fine.  I get 12 to 14 mpg at 60 mph.  The Durango has paddle shifters and I use them and mostly tow in 7th gear if there us no head wind.

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The Pirate's Pod


Posted By: Capt Kidd
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2020 at 12:34pm
My Durango is a 2016 with all wheel drive.  It is rated to tow up to 6200 lbs.

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The Pirate's Pod


Posted By: podwerkz
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2020 at 12:45pm

You did not mention a budget (or shopping used) so I assume you are looking at brand new trucks?

I'm not a Toyota fan so I will steer you towards the mid-sized Nissan Frontier or Ford Ranger.





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r・pod 171 gone but not forgotten!


Posted By: Pod_Geek
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2020 at 12:54pm
Originally posted by Capt Kidd

I tow my 196 with a Dodge Durando V-6.  No WHD hitch or sway bars and it tows just fine.  I get 12 to 14 mpg at 60 mph.  The Durango has paddle shifters and I use them and mostly tow in 7th gear if there us no head wind.

I think it might be important to indicate the conditions/areas that one tows in.  Nebraska <> SW Colorado.


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2020.5 R-Pod 195 Hood River
2018 RAM 2500 6.4L


Posted By: Gypsiejanie
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2020 at 8:31am
Thank you for your response. It's just me and my little dog. However, I will be moving out of my house and toting some bins with me in the tow vehicle...travel camping on my way to relocating on the other side of the US. The tow vehicle will be my only vehicle, so it's got to be. good and reliable one. At this point I'm thinking full size SUV or full size truck but the sticker shock difference is...well, OUCH! So I'll have to buy used. Lots of research to do. 


Posted By: Gypsiejanie
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2020 at 8:34am
I do hope to start test driving some vehicles next week. But before I go into a dealership, I want to be pretty solid in my options. I don't trust sales people, in general, especially being a single female. Too often, they will tell you whatever they think you want to hear to make a sale. 


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2020 at 8:44am
Originally posted by podwerkz


You did not mention a budget (or shopping used) so I assume you are looking at brand new trucks?

I'm not a Toyota fan so I will steer you towards the mid-sized Nissan Frontier or Ford Ranger.


Right.... might as well get a brand with a lower reliability rating and resale value. Confused




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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: Pod People
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2020 at 8:54am
You mentioned a full size SUVa one option.
We purchased a used 2012 Ford Expedition in 2015 that had 28000 miles. We have driven/towed 65000 miles with it and have had no issues. It has more than adequate towing capacity and plenty of cargo weight capacity and space for carrying whatever we want. We love it.I would recommend that you consider the Expedition. It comes in 2 different sizes with lots of options. We have the 3.73 rear axle ratio for towing.  We just returned from a 600 mile round trip towing our 179 and averaged 12.5mpg.  No mountains or winds involved-flat land.

good luck and welcome
Vann


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Vann & Laura 2015 RPod 179
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Posted By: Gypsiejanie
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2020 at 8:55am
Il'l have to buy used, but newer used with lower mileage. I think I've settled on bigger is better, so I've decided to look at full size PUs. That will cover all of my needs. My dad always had a Ford PU but I've always driven a Toyota or a Honda. I'll just have to do some test drive and get a sense of what feels right. Thanks for your input.


Posted By: Gypsiejanie
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2020 at 9:01am
Yes, thanks for the link. Interesting. I think I'm settling on a Toyota Tundra.


Posted By: JR
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2020 at 9:17am
Good luck in finding a TV for your 196.  My wife and I have a 179 and recently got a "new to us" TV which is a 08 Pathfinder 4.0 L which has a 6000 towing capacity which is more than enough for our 179.  We have not had any towing problems going from Michigan to Florida then to Rockhound State Park in NM.  Really enjoy NM SPs if they ever reopen. I would recommend an anti sway / equalizing hitch as part of your setup.  It makes the driving part of the trip much more enjoyable and safer.  Have fun.

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Jay

179/2019


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2020 at 9:21am
Nothing wrong with buying used. Lots of people keep their vehicles for only about 5 years at which point they might have 70-80K miles. That's nothing for a well maintained vehicle from a good brand these days. At that point they cost under half of new but have at least 2/3 of their useful life left. That is the sweet spot for me. 

Both Toyota and Honda have very good reliability ratings. The Tundra or Sequoia would work for you, nothing in the Honda lineup would be capable of towing the trailer you've selected safely. 


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: Gypsiejanie
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2020 at 9:21am
Thank you! I will be sad leaving New Mexico but will return often to camp with the Grand kids!


Posted By: Capt Kidd
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2020 at 10:30am
I bought my Dodge Durango my 2016 used from a Dodge dealer.  It was a lease vehicle with 32,000 miles on it.  I now have 90,000 on it and no real issues,  Have towed both my 179 and now my 196 with no problems.  It has paddle shifters which I had before and really like,  If I let the car pick which gear it wants to use it uses 6th gear at 60 but I find I can use the paddle shifters and run in 7th gear at 60.  By doing this I pick up to 2 mpg better mileage.  It has the V6 motor and all wheel drive.

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The Pirate's Pod


Posted By: Dirt Sifter
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2020 at 12:53pm
Our Tacoma works just fine towing a 195. The only caution, and its a big one in my opinion, is a strong head wind will hold you back. On the freeways in the west that can be a problem. We could only get 55 mph on an 80 mph freeway, so had to pull off for the day to let the wind subside. Good luck in finding the right rig for YOU and welcome to the forum!


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Greg n Deb 2020 195 HRE
'07 Tundra 5.7L., '17 Tacoma 3.5L. Both with tow packages
1 Puggle, 1 Chihuahua support staff


Posted By: BMJ
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2020 at 2:36pm
We also pulled our 195 with a Frontier..   in the mountain terrain of SW Virginia, it pulled great... need good brakes😊


Posted By: Dirt Sifter
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2020 at 9:04am
Originally posted by Gypsiejanie

Yes, thanks for the link. Interesting. I think I'm settling on a Toyota Tundra.
Just re-read this and saw the Tundra. I like the comfort in ours. Whether you get a Tundra, Tacoma, or what ever brand - make sure it has a factory tow package, not just an added hitch and brake controller. And I agree that which ever tow vehicle you get, an equalizer 4, weight distributing hitch with sway control will make traveling/towing a lot more pleasant. So will put on/take off extension mirrors. All the best to you on your new adventures.


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Greg n Deb 2020 195 HRE
'07 Tundra 5.7L., '17 Tacoma 3.5L. Both with tow packages
1 Puggle, 1 Chihuahua support staff


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2020 at 10:49am
We own both a Tacoma (long bed, crew cab), and the F-150. They both pull the RP179 just fine, but the Tacoma will struggle at higher elevations.

The Tacoma is "sportier"; we sometimes refer to it as our sports car. It is more comfortable going through tight, twisty roads.

The F-150 is way more comfortable. If we're doing a trip of > 1 hour, we will choose the F-150 every time. It is smoother, quieter, higher, and just an all-around smooth vehicle to drive. It laughs at high altitude because of the turbos. You barely notice any loss of power at all at high altitudes.

Surprisingly, the F-150, despite being bigger, gets better gas mileage. Around town it is consistently in the 18-19 MPG range. On road trips it runs between 21-22 MPG, and on a recent trip to Tahoe and back, it ran 21 MPG going up to Tahoe, and 25 MPG coming back. The Tacoma seems to get about 18 MPG almost no matter what. They both get around 14 MPG pulling the Rpod.

If I had to choose one, I would pick the F-150. My sweetie would prefer her Tacoma.


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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: Gypsiejanie
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2020 at 8:18am
Good info. Thanks.



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