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Topic: "CarFax" for Trailers?
Posted By: vmh
Subject: "CarFax" for Trailers?
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2022 at 12:53pm
Is there a way, besides relying upon the paperwork that came with the R-Pod, to get information:

1) Actual date of manufacture
2) If the R-Pod was used prior to sale as new
3) A "carfax" type of report for travel trailers

There are just too many things that have cropped up including a hot water anode rod that looks years old with supposedly only 15 days of use, to not consider that this "new" R-Pod wasn't quite new.


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2022 R-Pod195
Towed by 2022 Ford Ranger



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Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2022 at 3:13pm
Don't judge on the appearance of the anode rod. There are water conditions that can cause rapid deterioration of the anode rod so that a new one will look old very quickly. Very high pH water is one of them.

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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: vmh
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2022 at 3:18pm
Thanks for the comment.  I considered that but as we have only been able to take two trips since we've owned it and emptied it each time when finished, I wasn't considering it probable. Could be mistaken.


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2022 R-Pod195
Towed by 2022 Ford Ranger


Posted By: hank*pod
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2022 at 8:29pm
Originally posted by vmh

2) If the R-Pod was used prior to sale as new
The RV title will tell you whether the vehicle has been previously titled.


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2022 at 9:36pm
It also could have been filled at the dealer and left with high alkaline water. As it had not been sold, it is still new even if the anode rod shows evidence of deterioration. It was protecting the tank as it is supposed to do.

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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: JR
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2022 at 8:02am
Hello VMH, when you refer to emptying it when you finished your trips "I considered that but as we have only been able to take two trips since we've owned it and emptied it each time when finished,"  do you mean that you are draining the water heater tank?  If that is the case how are you draining it, by removing the anode rod each time?  If that is the case be sure to remember to fill that water heater tank before using it each time because it is very easy to burn up the electric heating element and it doesn't take long to do it, without water in the tank.  Be careful.

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Jay

179/2019


Posted By: gpokluda
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2022 at 10:05am
We make it a practice to turn off the electric element when hooking up to travel. When we arrive at our destination, we heat with propane first (heats much faster), then switch on the element and switch off of propane.

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Gpokluda
2017 Rpod 179(sold 2023)
2022 Escape 5.0TA
2022 Ford F150 4X4 3.5EB
Triumph T120


Posted By: jato
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2022 at 2:09pm
Originally posted by StephenH

Don't judge on the appearance of the anode rod. There are water conditions that can cause rapid deterioration of the anode rod so that a new one will look old very quickly. Very high pH water is one of them.


I find that quite interesting as our 177 has seen for most of its 12 years our well water which remains in the tank from late April through late October every year.  Our anode still looks nearly new and the pH of our water is 7.8.


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God's pod
'11 model 177
'17 Ford F-150 4WD 3.5 Ecoboost
Jim and Diane by beautiful Torch Lake
"...and you will know the Truth and the Truth will set you free."


Posted By: jato
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2022 at 2:23pm
Originally posted by vmh

Is there a way, besides relying upon the paperwork that came with the R-Pod, to get information:

1) Actual date of manufacture


Yes, outside your R-Pod on the white sticker next to the yellow tire loading and spec. chart there should be an actual date of manufacture on the upper right side.  The print is quite small, either a number 4 or 6 size, small enough that I need glasses to read it.  On mine it reads: Date of Manufacture  01/08/2011.


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God's pod
'11 model 177
'17 Ford F-150 4WD 3.5 Ecoboost
Jim and Diane by beautiful Torch Lake
"...and you will know the Truth and the Truth will set you free."


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2022 at 4:27pm
When we purchased ours, the anode rod looked rather corroded also. Ours was built several months before we purchased it.

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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: vmh
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2022 at 5:39pm
Thanks jato, that is good information.

JR, we are new to this and very paranoid about not turning on the water heater until ensuring that the tank is full. But good warning.

StephenH, I guess what threw us is the anode is basically gone in some places, down to almost a wire thickness. Of course the state of the anode is not the only issue with this R-Pod that has caused us concern.

Thanks everyone

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2022 R-Pod195
Towed by 2022 Ford Ranger


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2022 at 7:43pm
It could be that someone did not have the valves in the right position and pumped some RV antifreeze through and into the water heater. I understand that will chew up an anode rod quickly. I've not tried it so I am going by hearsay.

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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2022 at 3:53am
Propylene glycol (the active ingredient in RV antifreeze) should not be electrochemically active so in itself shouldn't cause anode corrosion. The water it's mixed with of course is active and can cause anode corrosion, depending on what impurities are in it or were already in the tank when it was filled with the antifreeze. Anyhow, it's unnecessary and a waste of money to fill the tank with antifreeze so don't, if the tank is dry it won't get frost damage and the anode should look the same in the spring as it did when you pulled it out to winterize.

I do agree with the guidance not to judge trailer age by anode rod condition. The point of the magnesium or zinc in the rod is to  be highly reactive so it gets sacrificed before the steel in the tank. So the anode material can disappear really quickly under the right conditions. 


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2022 at 1:54pm
However, propylene glycol is not the only ingredient in RV antifreeze. Some brands also contain other ingredients. For example, the SuperTech RV antifreeze from Walmart contains:
Water, Ethyl Alcohol, Propylene Glycol, Dye, and Dipotassium Phosphate. I'm not sure how reactive the other ingredients may be.


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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2022 at 4:25pm
You might be on to something with the dipotassium phosphate (DKP). The other ingredients you mention should be pretty inert, but DKP is a salt so will dissolve  into its ionic components in aqueous solution. My first though was that could increase conductivity and possibly  accelerate corrosion. 
So I looked up what it's purpose was in antifreeze.  I found a lot of discussion about it's use in auto coolant  but not much  about RV antifreeze. It's commonly used in auto antifreeze as a source of phophates which coat the internal metal engine parts to inhibit corrosion. Its also a buffering agent reducing acidity which would also reduce metal corrosion. I found one  RV antifreeze product that said it's purpose was to "prevent rust and corrosion", so probably it's safe to assume that its there for the same reason as for car engines. 

But apparently if you mix auto antifreeze using it with  hard water the phophates will combine with the magnesium or calcium that's making the water hard and produce deposits which can clog the engine passages. So most European car manufacturers ban it's use in auto antifreeze because there is a history of problems with hard water there.

 All that leads me to think that while maybe it normally does inhibit corrosion in your plumbing system but it's reacting with the magnesium anode if you fill your water heater with it. 

Anyhow, bottom line is, save your money, use the bypass, and don't fill your water heater with antifreeze. Problem solved....


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: jato
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2022 at 4:45pm
[QUOTE=offgrid
Anyhow, bottom line is, save your money, use the bypass, and don't fill your water heater with antifreeze. Problem solved...
QUOTE]

Could never figure why someone would go thru the expense of adding 5 gallons antifreeze to a HW tank that is so easy to drain in the first place.  If you have a compressor that is the quick and easy way to go.  As stated before, it takes me less than two minutes to go through all the lines 2x on a 177 and then only 16 oz. rv antifreeze is used for the traps and toilet.  Last gallon of rv antifreeze cost $ 1.49 and will last 8 years.


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God's pod
'11 model 177
'17 Ford F-150 4WD 3.5 Ecoboost
Jim and Diane by beautiful Torch Lake
"...and you will know the Truth and the Truth will set you free."


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2022 at 8:18pm
I agree 100% with bypassing the water heater and draining it by removing the anode rod. That has the advantage of allowing one to flush the tank to get rid of the residue that flakes off the anode rod. I have a spray wand for this purpose that sticks through the opening and allows one to move it around to help flush out the tank. It is used for that purpose only.

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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS



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