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Topic: Ford F150 Lightning towing
Posted By: gpokluda
Subject: Ford F150 Lightning towing
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2022 at 1:29pm
This from the Escape Forum. 

https://youtu.be/63AT_cy2icE - https://youtu.be/63AT_cy2icE


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Gpokluda
2017 Rpod 179(sold 2023)
2022 Escape 5.0TA
2022 Ford F150 4X4 3.5EB
Triumph T120



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Posted By: jato
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2022 at 3:11pm
I would have to agree with the driver, "not real practical unless you are only going to travel shorter distances of 100 - 200 km."  On top of that there is the issue of where to charge which is a huge factor if you are planning to go to a more remote area.  Nice truck though!


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God's pod
'11 model 177
'17 Ford F-150 4WD 3.5 Ecoboost
Jim and Diane by beautiful Torch Lake
"...and you will know the Truth and the Truth will set you free."


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2022 at 7:07am
He reported 54kwh per 100km. That works out to exactly 150 miles range with the extended range Lightning which has a 131kwh battery pack. That's just about exactly what was predicted.

That is of course a heavier, larger trailer than our rpods so I would expect a bit  longer range, not much. So in practice around 100-120 miles between recharges allowing for adverse driving conditions and a little reserve. 

Is that acceptable? For most folks here probably not. But if your use case was hauling your rpod to a nearby campground with hookups for recharging then sure, why not?

For me, towing is now limited to short runs with a utility or horse trailer so the Lightning would be a great vehicle.  Everyone raves about it's power, traction, and braking while towing. So I'm still on the Ford wait-list for one.

But it's an unlikely purchase for me anytime soon. Ford has continually raised the prices.  GM has dropped the price on its Bolt, so it's very competitive with other compact cars now. Qualifies for a tax credit too, despite Manchin's best efforts to quash that. The Bolt will address 80-90% of my driving requirements electrically, replacing my 12 year old Prius which is beginning to get long in the tooth   So, I have a Bolt on order, and I'll keep me Highlander for towing, for now.


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: furpod
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2022 at 4:41pm
An electric truck is the perfect truck.

For someone who doesn't need a truck.


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2022 at 8:01pm
I've often wondered why nobody has made a Diesel-electric hybrid. It would seem to offer benefits for a truck that wouldn't necessarily be needed for a sedan.

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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 13 Dec 2022 at 12:44am
Originally posted by furpod

An electric truck is the perfect truck.For someone who doesn't need a truck.


Cute soundbite. But completely untrue, like most soundbites are.

It depends on what you think a truck is for. For me, as a former contractor, a truck is for work. It's parked at your shop overnight. In the morning it hauls your gear crew, tools, and materials to a jobsite. Then back to the shop at night.   

So the Lightning Pro is selling like hotcakes to operators who actually need trucks for work. It's perfect for contractors. Recharges at the shop overnight cheaply, crew and gear to jobsites during the day. Excellent towing ability to haul materials to said jobsites.   Secure storage in the frunk. Ability to run power tools during the day. What more could you ask for? And none of this calls for long range towing.

Me, I'd ask for one more thing: a single cab long bed version with a bench seat. I don't get all these double cab short bed trucks, but that's what 90% seem to be nowadays. But that's just me.

Here's what's not a truck, IMO. A$100+ vehicle with all sorts of luxury features. Some of the stuff Ford puts in it's Lariat package (available on both the Lightning and gasser F150s) as an example:

12 inch "productivity" screen
sync 4 voice recognition
post collision braking!?
fade to off interior lighting
ambient lighting
power adjustable pedals with memory
dual note horn
360 degree cameras
wireless charging pad
Bang and Olufsen unleashed sound system
remote tailgate release with auto power lock
capless fuel filler
pickup bed tonneau cover

Are they kidding? Just get a high end SUV if you want all that junk, and save some money. It will ride and handle better and be more comfortable. What good is a pickup truck with a tonneau cover?

But that's just my opinion. If you have the money and want all that luxury stuff in what was once a work vehicle, that's your choice. We all have different needs and wants.

Many of the folks buying Lightnings don't need a pickup truck. Neither do the folks buying high end gasser F150s. Many others do. It's success speaks for itself, Ford can't make Lightnings fast enough to meet demand, and probably won't for years.













. Why spend all that money on luxury ju rough riding body in frame


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 13 Dec 2022 at 1:30am
Ford has dropped the diesel engine from it's f150 lineup. Customers weren't buying them. With gassers more efficient than ever and emissions standards making diesel fuel significantly more expensive than gasoline, plus the requirements for DEF, the benefits just aren't there. It's reached a technological dead end for light vehicles.

Diesels are even less beneficial for a hybrid in a work vehicle because the electric motor can provide the low rpm torque benefits the diesel would have, and the hybrid power train can provide the efficiency.

VW was developing a small diesel hybrid passenger car at one point. It had the lowest fuel consumption and emissions per mile of any vehicle at the time, a claimed 280 mpg. Meet the VW XL1.

https://youtu.be/m75t4UtX93c

But then their diesel emissions scandal hit them, and batteries got much cheaper, so now they're going all electric like most of the other manufacturers are planning to do.

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 13 Dec 2022 at 6:49am
What!  OG, you protest a capless fuel filler port?  How can you say that?  It's one of those features on my F-150 I like the best.  No fumbling with and losing gas caps for me at Costco when I fill up for a long trip.  I'll never have to buy an after market gas cap again.

As for the short bed and large passenger compartment, I have mixed feelings.  I personally like the middle sized one with the larger cab and a 6' bed, but I got vetoed by the boss when we bought our truck.  On the other hand, I added piece of plywood to fit in the back passenger area to make a nice flat floor with rubber mat and it's a great place to put all my tools and such when I'm off working on Habitat houses.  It makes a nice secure storage area.  In fact, It's big enough that I have filled the space with stuff including a couple of bikes for a long trip. And having a six passenger capacity is a real treat when I have to pick up my kids and grandkids from the airport.  There is plenty of room for everyone plus their luggage.

 As for tonneau covers, I had one and found it useful for keeping stuff in the bed of the truck from getting borrowed by someone who needed it more than me, but I ended up selling it to a neighbor and buying what we call on the west coast a camper shell [in the uncivilized parts of the continent a topper].  It works great and I've never had problems with hauling plywood and other lumber in the back.  If I wanted to load a refrigerator, I'd have to take it off, but I haven't carried a refrigerator in the back of a truck for many years.

The ride of the body on frame F-150 it is significantly more comfortable and quiet than our Mazda CX-5 and other SUV's I've ridden in.  In fact, it is one of the most comfortable vehicles I have ever driven for long trips.  I've put some very long days on the road driving cross-country in both our Mazda and F-150 and hands down, the F-150 is far more comfortable and less fatiguing to drive.  Plus, with the tiny turbo boosted engine, it gets very good mileage and I've never been short of power, even loaded to near the maximum combined gross vehicle weight.

Until there are some major improvements to vehicle batteries and charging speeds, the range limit of a pure electric pickup limits its functionality to local use.  Perhaps a chargeable hybrid may be a better alternative for uses that involve longer distances.  It would solve the range problem and substantially improve the fuel consumption issue.  For me, all of this is irrelevant in that I'll never be in the market to for new vehicles since, at my age, I'll be done driving before I could ever save enough money to buy one, especially as new vehicles approach the cost of a house.


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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: jato
Date Posted: 13 Dec 2022 at 9:11am
+1  Built our house in 1980, did a lot of work myself (plumbing, electrical, shingles, siding, inside trim work) on a 3000 sq.ft. house for $ 62,500.  The basement (1200 sq.ft.) was finished 20 years later.  And that was during the Carter Regime when the mortgage rate was 12% and construction loans were 18% in this neck of the woods.  Home prices are crazy around here, a 1960's basic home with no garage and about 1000 sq.ft. in town go for $ 250K and a 100' lot on Torch Lake runs 750K!  And this is northern Michigan, away from the hustle and bustle of big city, and  $$ life. 


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God's pod
'11 model 177
'17 Ford F-150 4WD 3.5 Ecoboost
Jim and Diane by beautiful Torch Lake
"...and you will know the Truth and the Truth will set you free."


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 13 Dec 2022 at 9:18am
Well my Toyotas have lanyards on the gas caps so you can't forget them somewhere.  For me a work vehicle is something I can throw greasy tractor parts in or take trash to the dump, or pick up 12ft lumber with.  I pick those items  bc I've hauled all 3 in my old horse trailer in the past week. Anything cleaner or smaller fits in my Prius which uses half the fuel of an F150.  I've hauled a fridge or two in the past in that trailer. Heck I've even had a horse in there once or twice.LOL And stuff stays dry and secure. So if I got a pickup it would probably be a rusted out old Ford with an 8ft bed  that I'd put Farm Use tags on. That would come the closest to matching what I have now. 

As for comparing $100k F150s to SUVs, that wouldn't be a Mazda CX, we're in Lexus LX and BMW X7 territory. My guess is that those would beat the fancy pickup in ride and comfort. Just a guess. 

Of course, all this is just personal opinion, we all like what we like and spend our money as we see fit.  My point is that the Lightning is indeed a truck and does its truck things very well in the eyes of it's many fans. I'm on the fence about it, but likely in the no side, nothing to do with range anxiety. More because, like you, I don't have the money for one and what I do now meets my needs as well, and probably better. 


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 13 Dec 2022 at 10:01am
I can make stinky dump runs and go to an Irish music concert all dressed up in my F-150.  The only reason we hang on to the Mazda is to have a second car if my wife ever learns to drive and for trips to JFK where we don't want the truck dinged in the crazy parking lots.  I have no problem carrying 16' lumber and have a thingy that fits into the trailer hitch to keep it balanced and not dragging on the road.  If it's heavy enough that I can't carry it that way, I can have it delivered.

I'm not comparing an F-150 with luxury cars.  I personally don't understand people spending $100K on a pickup truck and many of them buy one of those pretend trucks like a Honda Ridgline or a Cadillac Escalade.  That is a world in which I don't cruise and, like you, would have to speculate about the ride quality of any of the vehicles.  To replace our Mazda CX-5 it would cost almost as much as to replace our F-150 and for me the F-150 is a better value.  

Yes, it's all personal opinion, but the fact remains that towing a single axle travel trailer across the country and boondock camping with an all electric vehicle would be pretty challenging.  We agree that all electric trucks have their use in a local short trip environment.  On the other hand, towing long distances and remote destinations might be better served by a hybrid.

Oh, and the gas cap:  those little plastic string  break all the time, especially when it's real cold, and the little ratchet devices inside the cap break too.  I've had to replace several.  


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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 13 Dec 2022 at 10:47am
We're similar to LA. Our F150 is the crew cab with the long bed. You have to call ahead to make a U-turn, but otherwise it's the most comfortable ride we have. Even when we're not towing, it is absolutely the best on the highway. Coincidentally, we also have a CX-5 for when we visit relatives in San Francisco. The F150 is a massive PITA to park there. The spaces between driveways is barely large enough for the CX-5, and almost completely impossible for the F150. Heck, we can't even park the F150 in our nephew's driveway without it hanging out over the sidewalk.

Most of our town errands are in the CX-5. It is a blast going up and down the mountain roads. It's like it's on rails. Just a joy to drive. It's pretty smooth and relatively quiet, but nothing like the F150.

We also have a crew cab/long bed Tacoma. It is a marvelous truck, but it doesn't get as good mileage on the road, and it's not as quiet or comfortable as the F150.

And finally, the F150 is just a beast when it comes to towing most things. Sure, it can't really handle a 10K+ trailer, but we really don't do that.


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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: Linda&Gino
Date Posted: 13 Dec 2022 at 11:02am
Being the new owner of a F150 XLT, Super crew, 4X4 with the 3.5 ecoboost, I can tell you the first thing I asked my self after we towed the Rpod on its last trip was "what the heck took me so long to get one of these?" Better mileage than our Nissan Frontier 4.0 all the way around including towing. Better power, better brakes, and an immensely better traveling experience which improves safety by also reducing fatigue. 

Now that I tow a fifth wheel, the tonneau cover (Gator SFX trifold) will fold back to make way for hitching and towing. If I need to haul something big, I can loosen 4 thumb screws and lift the cover off, by myself and have an open bed. Oh, and the fifth wheel hitch? It's an Andersen Ultimate Hitch which clamps to a hideaway gooseneck ball. When I am done towing, I unhook the AUH which only weighs 40lbs, lift it out of the bed, flip the gooseneck ball over and I have a clean 6.5' bed to haul stuff. Need 8'? Lower the tailgate.

Comfort and tech are not a bad things. I have yet to find a feature on the F150 that doesn't make it more useful and pleasurable in it's role as a TV. As for the F150 Lightning, not for me... yet. I think it will be a while before an all electric TV will be practical, however I believe that having a combo EV TV and a trailer with electric assist may be an achievable solution sooner.


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gpokluda
2017 Rpod R179 SOLD!
2022 Escape 5.0 TA
2022 Ford F150 4X4 EB3.5
Triumph T120 Bonneville


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 13 Dec 2022 at 11:29am
I think GlueGuy, Linda&Giino, and I should be hired by Ford to write ad copy for them.  I'm sure they pay their ad agency handsomely. 

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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 14 Dec 2022 at 12:36am
Im miles from the nearest garbage pickup where I live, so my 5 garbage and recycling cans stay in the horse trailer till they're full, when I make my dump run, once a month or so, sooner if I need the trailer for hauling something. No garbage service but we do have plenty of bears. If I left the cans in the back of a pickup the garbage would be spread over an acre or so by morning. Ask me how I know Cry

Hybrid drivetrains are great as fuel savers. I've really enjoyed my Prius (ad copy for Toyota), but it only has a 1.5kwh battery, good for stop and go city traffic and regen brake energy recovery,  nothing else.

When you start adding battery capacity to create a plug in hybrid they become somewhat compromised. You wind up with a heavier, more  expensive vehicle that gets poorer fuel economy than a regular hybrid but doesn't have a lot of  EV range  The best EV range of any volume manufactured plug in hybrid is the RAV4 Prime, with an 18kwh battery  giving it a  40 mile or so EV range.  I couldn't get to the grocery store and back without the ICE having to run. A plug in hybrid pickup would need a bigger battery (probably around 30kwh for roughly 300lbs extra weight and maybe $5k additional cost including charge port)   to have a similar  40 mile  EV range. For folks here whose primary use case is long distance towing it would be a bad deal compared to a straight ICE or hybrid. 

So I think the gasser F150 ICE is a great choice for a long distance  tow vehicle.  The electric  Lightning Pro (at the original $39k, not after all Ford's price increases and not the $100k version with all the luxury stuff) would have been a better fit for me and for other individuals and fleet operators who have a similar use case.  See  I could write ad script for Ford too.

If I had a Lightning  I'd still use the horse trailer frequently for hauling stuff. Easier to load, larger, covered,  more secure. Or a utility trailer for the occasional larger loads. But I don't  need to own one of those, I buy enough stuff at Tractor Supply that I always have a free rental or two. Gotta love their good neighbors program (ad copy for TSC). 

But a new pickup is outside my budget now, I have to save some dollars for the RV electrical upgrades. So I'm sticking with my Highlander and horse trailer combo for now. That combo does everything a pickup would do for me and more,  and I own them. BTW, I've never had a gas cap  lanyard break on one of my Toyotas, perhaps another testament to their reputation for reliability (more ad copy for Toyota). 

Now back to sorting out the rats' nest of 1990s contactors, isolation switches, boost switches, emergency start switches,  multiple batteries, and low voltage disconnects in the Chinook....


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: gpokluda
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2022 at 9:23am
Looks like Motor Trend named the F150 Lightning Truck of the Year.

https://www.motortrend.com/news/ford-f-150-lightning-2023-truck-of-the-year/


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Gpokluda
2017 Rpod 179(sold 2023)
2022 Escape 5.0TA
2022 Ford F150 4X4 3.5EB
Triumph T120


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2022 at 6:58am
Coincidentally Ford just sent me an email saying I can order my Lightning now (been on the wait-list since May). 

So I go online to see what I can get and the lowest priced Pro version now starts at $55k (up from $39k when first released). On top of that the website said it's unavailable and I have to contact my dealer. The cheapest version I could actually order was in the high 60s. 

Not being made of money I think I'll pass on the Lightning and stick with the Chevy Bolt I have on order for about 1/3 of that....


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: hank*pod
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2022 at 8:28am
Originally posted by offgrid

Not being made of money I think I'll pass on the Lightning and stick with the Chevy Bolt I have on order for about 1/3 of that....
The latest Consumer Reports doesn't have good things to say about the reliability of either (and here I thought EVs were inherently reliable...).


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2022 at 1:20am
Yeah I saw the CR reliability report on the Bolt. There's something odd there as it shows two major problem areas. One is the "engine", eg the electric motor. The other is the electrical system, which includes the high voltage battery. 

The latter problem area is well known, anyone following EVs knows about the huge recall GM had to make because of LG Battery's manufacturing defect causing a number of cars to catch fire. They wound up replacing every single battery pack up through the first 2022's before they halted production. 

So I'm reasonably  confident that problem has been fixed, there is way too much at stake for GM and LG to screw that fix up again.   In the meantime, every Bolt owner is of course going to have given the car a very poor rating in that category.

What I can't figure out is what's going on with the poor reliability report in CRs major engine category. I can find zero actual motor failures on any Bolt forums or other websites.  I suspect that it's a mis categorization of problems by owners surveyed. CR probably needs to clarify how to categorize problems with EVs in their surveys, not just try to use the same xategories they use with ICE vehicles. 

There have been numerous reports of drive systems shutdowns, gear engagement lockouts, etc over the Bolt model years. Those have apparently been corrected by software updates, but disappointingly they keep happening to some degree. Of course, similar software problems also occur with recent model ICE vehicles. People who think that software problems shouldnt happen haven't written any software. Just because it's easier to implement software fixes than hardware ones doesn't mean it's easier to get things right to begin with. 

Other issues have been mostly related to fit and finish problems. Those are to be expected. After all, Chevrolet has never been the go to brand for top material and build quality. That's got nothing to do with whether the car is an EV or not, and we should all expect there to still be a ranking of build and material quality in EVs from the various manufacturers as the electric transition occurs. None of them are anywhere near as awful as FR's rpod quality standards though.LOL..

So am I taking a risk of customer dissatisfaction buying a Chevy Bolt EV? Yep, for sure, especially as we're a long time Toyota family and so have been spoiled by owning vehicles which for decades  have had excellent reliability and build quality. 

Why take the risk? Because I can tolerate the risk, we are a multiple vehicle family, I'm retired and my wife works from home, and because I want to be part of this transition sooner rather than later, and to do it with a vehicle that is affordable by the average middle class American family, (about $30k max I think) not some overpriced luxury  vehicle like a Tesla that only the wealthy who want to make some kind of personal statement can afford.  Besides, I can't stand Elon.

If you arent rich and rely on a single vehicle  to get to work every day then I'd suggest a reliable affordable hybrid like the Prius rather than a budget EV at this point.

So I consider myself to be still an early adopter, not for EVs in general but certainly in the realm of budget EVs, of which there are really only two, the Bolt and the Nissan Leaf. The rest are either well above budget price ranges or are emmissions compliance vehicles with limited regional availabiity, like the Hyundai Kona EV. The Leaf was not under my consideration as it comes with a Japenese standard ChaDeMo charge port, not the US and Euro standard CCS port. I have no idea why Nissan has stupidly chosen to keep that charge port in what otherwise is by all accounts a pretty nice vehicle, although it too has had it's teething problems.

As for the Ford Lightning, I haven't researched customer issues with that because I'm not actually  considering buying one at this point  In reality it's the first model year for the Lightning and only the second EV from Ford ever,  so one should expect all sorts of new model intro problems to occur.



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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2023 at 9:38am
Interesting study about costs of operation on gas, diesel, and electric.
http://https://www.andersoneconomicgroup.com/many-gas-powered-cars-cheaper-to-fuel-than-electric-in-2023/ - https://www.andersoneconomicgroup.com/many-gas-powered-cars-cheaper-to-fuel-than-electric-in-2023/


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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: mjlrpod
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2023 at 5:16pm
I use a much simpler way of making my decisions on things like this. When everybody in government has to keep telling me over and over how great said item is, I'm pretty sure I know what that means, and I'm all set thanks. Like nobody is constantly telling me how great my Subaru Outback is, and guess what..... it is. Once something is really great, you'll know cause everybody will have / want one. 

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2017.5 Rp-172
2020 R-pod 195
2015 Frontier sv 4.0L 6cyl
I'll be rpodding


Posted By: hank*pod
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2023 at 5:40pm
Originally posted by StephenH

Interesting study about costs of operation on gas, diesel, and electric.
http://https://www.andersoneconomicgroup.com/many-gas-powered-cars-cheaper-to-fuel-than-electric-in-2023/ - http://https://www.andersoneconomicgroup.com/many-gas-powered-cars-cheaper-to-fuel-than-electric-in-2023/
Mangled URL. Try this:
http://www.andersoneconomicgroup.com/many-gas-powered-cars-cheaper-to-fuel-than-electric-in-2023/ - https://www.andersoneconomicgroup.com/many-gas-powered-cars-cheaper-to-fuel-than-electric-in-2023/

I need to see more data on the "fuel" cost per 100 miles for charging at home, including representative EV registration fees (which, amortized over 12,000 miles, might be on the order of 2 or 3 cents per mile).
For a Volvo EX30, with a 51 KW-H battery (full charge on the order of $8 at 15 cents per KW-H) and a range on the order of 270 miles, cost of electricity is $3 per 100 miles.


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2023 at 8:59pm
Thanks. I fixed the link in my post. As for fees, I just read that Texas has passed a one-time $400 fee for registration and an annual $200 fee to make up for the loss of highway revenues from them not paying gasoline taxes.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/state-passes-law-require-electric-101500307.html - https://www.yahoo.com/news/state-passes-law-require-electric-101500307.html

One other reason for taxes on EVs is that the greater weight of the EVs due to the heavy battery packs is that the weight puts more wear and tear on the highways. 

"Extra road wear is another EV trait that may not immediately come to mind. The taxes you pay for EVs may not necessarily be destined for road repairs or improvements, while most of the fuel tax paid by ICE drivers is used towards that. In other words, EVs are causing more wear on the infrastructure, but they are actually paying less to maintain it."
https://insideevs.com/news/565397/roadshow-heavy-weight-electric-vehicles/ - https://insideevs.com/news/565397/roadshow-heavy-weight-electric-vehicles/


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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2023 at 11:02am
The relative cost of ICE fuel and electricity varies all over the place, depending on region. Around here, the high cost of gas/diesel makes it much more expensive than electricity; especially if you can get some or all of it via solar.

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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: mjlrpod
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2023 at 10:42am
So My school is going full bore into the electric vehicle realm. We just added a whole new 3 bay addition to auto tech. Our top admin, after waiting a year or more to get his Lightning, did finally get it. He was all proud of himself, being a visionary, and saving the planet. 6 months into it, he got rid of it. Said it was a total piece of crap, and he would never buy another. He replaced it with a hybrid vehicle, because he still is against the ICE vehicle. I on the other hand have never been happier driving my Subaru Outback. 

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2017.5 Rp-172
2020 R-pod 195
2015 Frontier sv 4.0L 6cyl
I'll be rpodding


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2023 at 9:47am
The change to zero-emission vehicles will be punctuated by fits and starts. It will have to happen, but a lot of people will be kicking and screaming along the way.

https://www.autoblog.com/2023/09/09/california-ev-sales-jump-us-future/ - https://www.autoblog.com/2023/09/09/california-ev-sales-jump-us-future/




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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2023 at 2:12pm
https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/fords-ceo-admits-reality-check-during-f-150-lightning-route-66-road-trip - https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/fords-ceo-admits-reality-check-during-f-150-lightning-route-66-road-trip

The comments are interesting. What happens when demand for electricity exceeds supply? How is EV charging going to be prioritized if power is needed for critical infrastructure? I would not mind a small EV for in and around town driving, but no way I would be taking one on a long trip. Since we don't have a garage and my wife does not drive, it makes no sense for us to have multiple vehicles so we have the one that works for us.


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Posted By: mjlrpod
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2023 at 4:05pm
The lack of affordability is going to help reduce carbon anyways. People won't be able to afford them, and there won't be anymore ICE engines, problem solved. Of course the unemployment issue might get a bit outta control. 



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Posted By: gpokluda
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2023 at 4:50pm
Back from our latest outing. We saw two Hyundai Ioniq 5 SUVs towing. One was towing a small popup, the other what looked like a homemade teardrop. 

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Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2023 at 5:06pm
It is a pretty sure guess that they were not on a cross-country trip.

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Posted By: gpokluda
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2023 at 9:16pm
Originally posted by StephenH

It is a pretty sure guess that they were not on a cross-country trip.

I'm pretty sure you're right. One thing my wife noticed is that they were both women traveling alone. She has also noticed that most EVs she sees, are driven by women. Long ago, Toyota and Honda realized success by marketing the reliability of their cars to women. I wonder EV makers are doing the same. While men are busy arguing whether V8s are better than boosted V6s for towing, women are quietly insuring the success of EVs.


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Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2023 at 10:05am
Originally posted by StephenH

What happens when demand for electricity exceeds supply? How is EV charging going to be prioritized if power is needed for critical infrastructure? I would not mind a small EV for in and around town driving, but no way I would be taking one on a long trip. Since we don't have a garage and my wife does not drive, it makes no sense for us to have multiple vehicles so we have the one that works for us. 
Short term, you may have a point. However, In California now about 22% of all new cars are EVs. Because of cheaper solar and wind power, we now frequently have a surplus of electricity depending on sun and wind (despite the large number of EVs). Storage is going to be key going forward. You also might notice that the latest iteration of the Model 3 (long range) will go ~~ 420 miles on a charge.


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