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Topic: Tire replacement
Posted By: R Pod
Subject: Tire replacement
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2023 at 5:02pm
Looking to replace tires on our 2017 R Pod 179. Suggestions?



Replies:
Posted By: Winterpod
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2023 at 6:50pm
Many good choices out there. Searching a new trailer I see a lot of manufacturers are going with Goodyear endurance tires. I have been running them on my P- Pod the last four years with no issues.
Mine are 225-75R-15 E rated 



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Winter pod
2013 R-Pod 178
2007 Silverato 1500 LT.
Trek Stash 8 29er hard tail
Old Town Kayak


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2023 at 7:26pm
I tried to get Goodyear in late 2021, but there were none available, so I got Carlyles and have been happy with them.  Either is a pretty good tire.

Check out the archives.  There have been a lot of discussion about tires over the last several years.


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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: Pod People
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2023 at 10:16am
We have used Goodyear Endurance on our 179 for the past 3-4 seasons.  Love them-they don't leak down, they are stiffer and bounce less, the ride seems stable.  I will buy them again when these age out
Travel often and safe
Vann


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Vann & Laura 2015 RPod 179
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Posted By: gpokluda
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2023 at 10:42am
Not sure what you had as the OEM tire. If you had the Westlake traction tires and are wanting to stay with the OEM size, then you will have a better selection by going to Light Truck (LT) tires. They are usually 10ply and up to the task. Check with a load range chart for the particular tire you choose to be sure. I went with Falken Wildpeak tires at 65psi and they worked out just fine. I did consult with a couple of tire shops that specialize in RVs as well as with Forest River.

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Gpokluda
2017 Rpod 179(sold 2023)
2022 Escape 5.0TA
2022 Ford F150 4X4 3.5EB
Triumph T120


Posted By: jato
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2023 at 2:03pm
On our third set of tires on our  12 yr. old 177.  First time going to a "D" load tire and the ride is dramatically better than the "C" rated tires we used previous.  Went with Carlisle Radial Trail HD, IMHO equal in quality with the goodyears but for a lot less $$$.


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God's pod
'11 model 177
'17 Ford F-150 4WD 3.5 Ecoboost
Jim and Diane by beautiful Torch Lake
"...and you will know the Truth and the Truth will set you free."


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2023 at 3:54pm
Carlisle are what I am running. They are not immune from blowouts though as I found out last year.

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Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: R Pod
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2023 at 8:01pm
Thanks everyone! Food for thought.


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2023 at 3:49am
I bought premounted 15 inch Loadstar LRD tires and wheels from Eastern Trailer. That gave me a nice upgrade from 14 to 15 inches, 1750 lb load rating  to 2150 (IIRC) for both the tires and wheels (yes  wheels have load ratings too, and FRs 14 inch ones were also only 1750 lbs), and more ground clearance. You do need the lift kit on your trailer to have enough fender clearance for the larger diameter tires. If you upgrade wheels be sure to stay with  the 5 on 4.5 bolt circle. 

And no mounting fees, I put them on myself for free. Then I sold my old 14 inch tires and wheels on Craigslist, came out less overall  that what just new mounted tires alone would have cost. Mounted used trailer tires are easy to sell for someone who needs a set to put on an old boat or utility trailer. Unmounted used tires are worthless because of the remounting fees.

BTW  I don't subscribe to the "China bomb" theory or feel the need to buy "name brand" tires. Others may differ, not starting a debate here  just my semi-educated opinion. By all means spend the money and get name brand tires if it makes you feel better. Just know there's more to selecting the proper tire for your application than just the brand. 

I think the China bomb reputation has resulted from FR and the other lower end trailer manufacturers' practice of using  the absolute minimum load rated tires (1750 lbs on the 179) they could get away with. Running marginal tires, especially at less than recommended tire pressures, is a recipe for blowouts regardless of the tire brand.  

So be an educated consumer and  get tires  rated around 25% higher than 1/2 your axle rating (your choice as to brand) and keep them  inflated at their rated pressure (cold). The approx 25% load safety factor  is what tire engineers seem to typically recommend as a good balance between load capacity and ride stiffness. Look at the actual manufacturers' load ratings in lbs not the c,d,or e letter ratings. The letters don't correspond to specific load ratings in pounds, the latter vary with manufacturer and tire size. 

 There is no benefit in under inflating ST trailer tires, all that does is produce more sidewall flex which can overheat the thick sidewalls of ST (special trailer) tires. Some folks buy LT (light truck) tires rather than STs. You can do that of course (just be sure you get a similar load capacity safety factor), but the disadvantage vs ST tires is higher rolling resistance. STs are designed for the high pressures and stiff sidewalls, as well as with non aggressive tread patterns, so that they have minimal rolling reistance. LT tires have to compromise that for better traction and unloaded ride stiffness, not things that need to concern you on a travel trailer.


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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2023 at 6:27am
It isn't a question of "China bomb," but the quality of the components and manufacturing process.  The Carlisle 205R/15 D range tires are made in China.  I have only had one other brand of tires on either of our trailers:  Westlake.  They are of very poor quality.  I had problems inexplicable air leakage, rapid tread wear, and separation of the tire carcass from the tread rubber on a tire that had less than 3000 miles on it.  The rubber compounding is critical in tire quality.  Cheap rubber compounds do not last and are more frequently found on low end tires.  The tire construction is critical.  The bonding of the rubber, especially the tread rubber to the carcass is critical.  If it is not done correctly, you will get a dangerous tread separation.

Though there are certainly exceptions, generally buying a well established brand name improves your odds of getting a better quality product.  A knockoff fake Makita drill motor, though it looks almost identical to the real one, doesn't last as long.  I am a fan of Harbor Freight for many tools, but there is a discernible difference in quality especially in some of their electric tools as compared to DeWalt or Bosch.  My Tacklife laser measuring tool was 1/3rd the price of the Bosch I ended up replacing it with.  The Tacklife couldn't measure consistently, and was garbage.  Though there are bargains to be had, generally you pay for what you get.

The only problem I've had with our Carlisle tires is I picked up a small nail right on the edge of the tread at the sidewall and the hole was not repairable due to the location.  Thankfully, I discovered the problem while getting ready for a trip.  I ordered a replacement tire.  When I was getting ready to take it to a tire store for mounting, I started to mount the spare temporarily, but found the spare had a giant bubble in the side wall and tread.  I ended up buying two more Carlisles.


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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: jato
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2023 at 7:06am
Originally posted by offgrid


BTW  I don't subscribe to the "China bomb" theory or feel the need to buy "name brand" tires. Others may differ, not starting a debate here  just my semi-educated opinion. By all means spend the money and get name brand tires if it makes you feel better. Just know there's more to selecting the proper tire for your application than just the brand. 

I think the China bomb reputation has resulted from FR and the other lower end trailer manufacturers' practice of using  the absolute minimum load rated tires (1750 lbs on the 179) they could get away with. Running marginal tires, especially at less than recommended tire pressures, is a recipe for blowouts regardless of the tire brand. 


+1  Our first two sets of tires were "C" load range, the first were Tire Kings, the second Hartlands.  The only issue with the original Tire Kings was that when thinking about replacing the tires in the future (after owing the 177 for 4 years) it was noted that FR installed tires that were already 2 years old when I picked up the brand new 177 in March of 2011.  So the originals went 6+ years w/o issue which was good.

OTOH, friends had purchased the all too publicized goodyear endurance only to have one blow out after 6 months and kindly removed the fender as well.  So even those expensive tires can have problems. 


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God's pod
'11 model 177
'17 Ford F-150 4WD 3.5 Ecoboost
Jim and Diane by beautiful Torch Lake
"...and you will know the Truth and the Truth will set you free."


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2023 at 7:24am
Under inflation and hitting potholes and debris on the road can destroy even the very best made tires.  Moral of the story, monitor the tire pressure very carefully and and try not to hit road hazards on the highway.  No tire is indestructible.  

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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2023 at 12:13pm
We had the OEM Westlake tires, which were LRC, but were rated for ~~ 2400 lbs. Never had an issue with them other than they were a bit squishy from only being inflated to 50PSI. When they aged out, we replaced them with LRD Carlisle tires. The LRD tires are a lot stiffer (65 PSI), and it seems like they ride with a bit less bounce than the OEM tires.

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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: seafans
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2023 at 2:40pm
Check the
 https://www.nhtsa.gov/equipment/tires
West Lake has several "bad" tires.  The one on the R-Pods are not on the list.


Posted By: hank*pod
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2023 at 5:22pm
Originally posted by offgrid

 
BTW  I don't subscribe to the "China bomb" theory or feel the need to buy "name brand" tires. Others may differ, not starting a debate here  just my semi-educated opinion. By all means spend the money and get name brand tires if it makes you feel better. Just know there's more to selecting the proper tire for your application than just the brand. 
At the moment Goodyear Endurance tires are running about half the price of Westlakes (possibly due to the Goodyear ST225/75R15s being available through Tire Rack and the Westlake ST235/75R15s through eTrailer. $163 vs $337/tire). It sort of made the decision for me.

If you're aware of a better source for the Westlakes I'd appreciate it but I'm planning to pull the trigger on the Goodyears in a week or two.


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2023 at 6:05pm
Wallyworld has that size in Carlisle for $99 they say:   https://www.walmart.com/ip/Carlisle-Radial-Trail-HD-ST225-75R15-113M-D-Trailer-Tire/55012157?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=0 - https://www.walmart.com/ip/Carlisle-Radial-Trail-HD-ST225-75R15-113M-D-Trailer-Tire/55012157?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=0

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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: hogone
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2023 at 6:43pm
i have carlisle's and like alot.  jon

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Jon & Pam
2013 RP177
2010 F150
2017 HD Streetglide
2009 HD Lowrider
CHEESEHEAD


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2023 at 4:47am
To be clear, If your asking, I'm not recommending Westlakes or Goodyears or Carlisles or any other particular brand. The brand I bought was Loadstar but I have no basis to recommend that brand over another. None.

My recommendation is to forget the brand. Ive taken a couple graduate level marketing courses. Buying anything by brand is a shortcut consumers afraid of making a mistake take when they don't have enough actual information to make an informed decision. Companies know that very well and play on those fears. So unless you have actual 3rd party data supporting the decision to buy one brand over another (not just a company's marketing BS or some guy who'd rather blame China for his blowout than check his tire pressure)   you're only doing that so you feel better. Which is fine if that's how you want to spend your money.

So my recommendation is to buy premounted ST tires and aluminum wheels on line from Eastern Trailer or wherever. Do the research to be sure that both the tires and wheels you buy have a load rating (in pounds not letters) around 25% above your axle rating. That choice, unlike brand choice, makes logical sense and has an actual engineering basis behind it.

Get wheels with a 5 x 4.5 bolt pattern. Get 15 inch wheels and tires and put on the lift kit if you don't it already.

Have the tires and wheels delivered to your home and put them on yourself. Good practice for when you have a flat later, and if it's time you can inspect your electric brakes and repack your bearings while you have your trailer jacked up.

Then sell your old tires and wheels on CL. Some guy who needs tires and wheels for an old boat or utility trailer he only uses for local towing will be happy to have them. Keep your new tires inflated to their rated pressure. Check them before starting out every morning when youre on the road.

That's my recommendation. Worked great for me doing it that way, and it's got an actual technical and financial basis justifying it.

If you dont have the time to do that (relatively minor) amount of homework then that's fine by me too, just buy by brand.

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2023 at 6:32am
If I understand your argument, there is no difference in build and component quality between a Fiat and a BMW; it's all just marketing.  Hmmm?

Buying pre-mounted tires makes sense, provided there is a price and quality advantage over buying individual tires and time and expense of having them mounted.  I checked the price at the place you suggested for the tire in this thread and an aluminum rim that would be similar to the ones I have.  It's $228 for a bias ply tire and rim, plus $55 for UPS shipping or $50 for FedEx.  When I replaced he defective Westlake tire and the punctured Carlisle, I paid $110 each for the tires and about $15 for mounting and balancing each.  So, the total cost, not counting the time driving to and from the tire shop, was $158 cheaper per tire for a radial tire of a relatively known  quality vs. a bias ply tire of on uncertain quality.  There can be an additional complication if you only need one tire; you'd likely end up with different rims and tires on each side of the trailer.  

The idea of selling stuff on Craigs list can be good, provided you don't get inundated with scammers trying to get your personal information or trying to do a phony purchase for the asking price that turns out to be a grift.  Oh, and then the people who call to schedule a time to see the tires, then don't show up.....  Selling stuff with Craigslist ads can be a really good deal, but it is filled with time wasters and risks too.  


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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2023 at 7:45am
Good grief LA, please spare me the sophistry. You are not reading what I'm saying.

I said that unless you have 3rd party data demonstrating that one product from one brand is better than another then purchasing by brand is pointless. You can go to a 3rd party like Consumer Reports and evaluate a Fiat vs a BMW. You'd have to do that by model, not by overall brand, auto reliability can and does vary greatly by model within a brand. And of course you'd need to compare competitive models, I doubt anyone considering buying a BMW model would be looking at Fiats.

But for sure, Consumer Reports is a good 3rd party source for comparing reliability data between car models. I've not seen anything equivalent regarding trailer tire reliability and I've looked. Have you? It's all anechdote.

As for pricing, I wound up with installed 15 inch 2100 lb rated tires and wheels for significantly less than I would have paid for replacement "brand name" mounted 1750 lb tires. Hence my suggestion. I have no idea if that is true today or not, but I have confidence that hank*pod (who was specifically asking me if I had a Westlake alternative for Goodyear) or anyone else on this forum is smart enough to do that conparison shopping themselves for their specific situation, if so inclined. The fact that you took the time to do that yourself indicates to me that all you want to do is argue with me.

The brand argument isn't one I want to get into with you, yet again. I specifically said that it's just fine with me if someone wants to buy by brand, it's just not something I do, or would recommend. Enough on that already.

As for CL, if you don't like advertising there that's fine. There's also Facebook Marketplace and many other alternatives. I buy and sell stuff on both often, and know how to sift through the scammers and tire kickers, most of the time anyway. I like repurposing stuff someone else no longer needs, and vice versa, rather than sending stuff to recycling or the landfill. That's just me If CL or FB aren't your cup of tea, that's fully understandable and ok in my book.





   

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2023 at 8:17am
Sophistry??? I'm not the one who said: "My recommendation is to forget the brand. Ive taken a couple graduate level marketing courses. Buying anything by brand is a shortcut consumers afraid of making a mistake take when they don't have enough actual information to make an informed decision. Companies know that very well and play on those fears."  "Anything" is a pretty broad brush to denounce the idea of the possibility that some brands have higher quality than others.  It may actually be possible that some companies value their reputation in the marketplace and pay attention to high quality.  

I am also a fan of Craigslist and use it from time to time.  My point is that it isn't a panacea for selling used stuff.  I can't speak to FaceBook as I never look at it, though the last time I sold a washer on Craigslist, some acquaintances told me that there was more action on FaceBook.  I turned down the full price offers and requests for my email address.

We agree that Consumer Reports can be a good source of product information.  Usually, because I'm one cheap bastard, the paywall blocks me from using it as a resource.  Do they actually have a review of ST trailer tires in the last few years?  I saw one with Forbes, but turned out to be more marketing with links to tire vendors, which make me a little suspicious of their claims. 

I'm glad to hear that you found a good deal on replacement trailer tires many years ago.  Sometimes things change over time and it's always helpful to do a little homework than to take representations found on social media at face value, certainly including mine.  It isn't an issue of arguing with you, it's a matter of wanting to help out with answering a legitimate question about tire purchasing, which is one of the points of posting on this board.


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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2023 at 8:47am
Yet again LA you're putting words in my mouth. I never said that all brands or models within a brand are equivalent. That's absurd.

I just bought a GM product with trepidation after decades of owning Toyotas. But I had both direct and 3rd party model specific data supporting my choice of the Toyotas.

I'll stick with why statement. Buying by brand, rather than via actual 3rd party data, is a short cut for consumers motivated primarily by fear of making a mistake. Ask any trained marketing professional and I'm sure they'll say the same thing.

Nothing inherently wrong with that, I do it too sometimes. We all do. No one has time to research every purchase they make. You have to pick your battles and dig into the big and or key purchases that really matter to you.

For the rest of it, what I try to do for my shortcut is to buy the least expensive item that has the specs or features I need, ignoring brand. That process has worked out quite well for me over the years and doesn't really take any longer than just buying the recognized brand. But if you want to use the brand shortcut instead, that's fine. Nothing wrong with that, as Ive said 5 times at least.

Ive noticed more activity on FB Marketplace than CL lately as well. Can't say there's any difference in the number of scammers and tire kickers though.



Which alternative is cheaper depends on your particular situation. There is no way to know without looking into it. I needed a 15 inch upgrade and mounting was expensive where I was living at that time. Lots of old boat trailers around so a ready market for used mounted trailer tires. So I was way ahead doing what I did. Probably that hadn't changed with time.

If you don't need new wheels, have a Walmart nearby that does cheap mounting, and you can buy the tires on their website and have them shipped to the store then that could well be cheaper.

In fact that's what I did a few weeks ago for my Highlander.

But I didn't buy high end brand name tires for it either. There was 3rd party data available so I got a Kumho model which got a good rating on CU at a good price point.   



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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2023 at 11:37am
Beating A Dead Horse Funny Sticker - Beating A Dead Horse ...  I guess I can't post a beating a dead horse meme here.  Confused

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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2023 at 11:49am
Originally posted by lostagain

Beating A Dead Horse Funny Sticker - Beating A Dead Horse ...  I guess I can't post a beating a dead horse meme here.  Confused
I'll do it for you.



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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2023 at 1:13pm
THANK YOU!!!

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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2023 at 2:08pm
I'm definitely not gonna show that to my wife or her horse, one of them might be offended.



And LA, maybe when someone quotes one of my posts asking for my response, you might want to just leave your club holstered when I respond with my opinion, and simply state your own if you disagree. All of this is just opinion after all, and Im sure the folks on here can do their own filtering. The shrinking horse population will be most grateful...





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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2023 at 2:38pm
No, really. | Beating A Dead Horse | Know Your Meme

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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: jato
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2023 at 6:05pm
OG and LA, too bad you aren't neighbors.  I do like both pics of beating a dead horse though.  And even my wife thought they were funny; we had horses for a long time and are still alive to talk about it.  But now that we are in our 60's we have gotten wiser and value our  . . . . . lives and limbs.


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God's pod
'11 model 177
'17 Ford F-150 4WD 3.5 Ecoboost
Jim and Diane by beautiful Torch Lake
"...and you will know the Truth and the Truth will set you free."


Posted By: offgrid
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2023 at 4:18am
Actually, LA and I have lots in common. Which, being old and opinionated, just makes us more argumentative about the things we disagree on. Such is human nature.

I keep telling my wife about the equestrian dangers every time she goes riding.

But then, she reminds me that I fly an experimental aircraft. So that puts a quick end to that discussion..

The problem I have with horses is that you have there a huge powerful animal that thinks everything it sees is trying to eat it. Makes them unpredictable. I really wish our riding animals had been bread up from dogs or some other omnivore that wasn't so fearful all the time. That would be safer I think. The original horse was dog sized after all.

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1994 Chinook Concourse
1995 RV6A Experimental Aircraft
2015 Rpod 179 - sold


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2023 at 11:01am
This is part of my morning entertainment; dead animals and all.

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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: Geezerbill
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2023 at 1:10pm
Interesting. I have a 2022 Rpod 192 with about 800 miles on Goodyear Endurance and they are nearly 60% worn out. Very possible they were not new on the trailer when purchased. 


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2023 at 1:45pm
Did you purchase the trailer new from a dealer?  What was the running pressure you maintained for your 800 miles?  Normally, Goodyear tires are not OEM tires on FR trailers.  Usually you get a set of Westlakes.  If you bought the trailer used it may be that the prior owner put a set of used Goodyear tires on it in place of the originals.  

If the trailer was purchased new from a dealer and if you maintained proper pressure and balance, you may want to check the tire warranty to see if there is some form assistance that may be available for prematurely worn tires, provided they are the OEM tires. The wear pattern in the tire tread should tell the story about inflation and balance.  Same for sidewall condition, insofar as impacts with curbs and such are concerned.  If the dealer swapped out the original OEM Westlakes for used Goodyears, that is something that you may want to take up with the local consumer fraud detail in your county if the dealer doesn't want to make it right.


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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: Geezerbill
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2023 at 2:00pm
Thank you for that response Lostagain. I did purchase the unit new from a dealer in Oregon which is 180 miles away from where I live in Washington. After driving the trailer home, the next day I checked tire pressures and found it down nearly seventeen lbs.  I then inflated to five lbs blow the sidewall max inflation value. I then visually compared the tread depth to that of the spare and was shocked at the difference. That is why I feel either the trailer or the tires were not new. Most likely the tires. 

I also have two pending recalls on the pod but chose to have a local dealer to do that to save driving nearly two hundred miles and possibly having to stay overnight away. However, the local dealer seems to have an attitude about doing it. I am awaiting spring before I take it there for the warranty work to be done. 

I will look into the tire warranty and see if I can pursue that. 

Thanks again for your comments!


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2023 at 3:40pm
It really sounds to me like the selling dealer put some used tires on your trailer and didn't bother to properly inflate them when it delivered the trailer.  For r-Pods the normal OEM tires are Westlake brand.  It really sounds like the dealer did a swap and gave you a set of used tires.  With a little tire "dressing" to make them look new, it would not likely be something most people would scrutinize during a purchase, since there is so much other stuff to look at.  It might be worth a call to FR/r-Pod with your VIN in hand and ask them what their records show for the tires they mounted on the trailer.  Usually, tire warranties are from the tire manufacturer and are included in the stack of paperwork you get with the trailer.  Do you have a warranty brochure from Goodyear or Westlake?

Swapping new tires for used ones on the sale of a new vehicle, especially if it is not called to your attention by the selling dealer, is a form of fraud.  Imagine buying a nice new Tesla model X and finding that the tires on it were old and worn out.  When you buy a "new" vehicle of any kind, everything is supposed to be new, unless the seller tells you otherwise and you agree to the used parts.  That includes trailers.  

Seventeen pounds under max pressure for 180 miles should not cause that much wear on the tires, especially ferrying it back home from the dealer where it's likely to not have a lot of extra weight.  Running 5 lbs below on a C or D range tire can cause some excess tread wear on the sides, leaving the center of the tire tread thicker by comparison.  I think you'll find most on this board advocate inflating to the maximum sidewall number.  

Good luck in getting this sorted out.  


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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2023 at 10:06am
I wonder, what is the date code on those tires?

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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: Geezerbill
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2023 at 4:12pm
I believe you are correct. The trailer seemed very new but not the tires. I checked my documentation provided by the dealer yesterday and there is not anything on tires. As you suggested, I am sending an email to FR with the vin code and all buying information with an explanation of why I am requesting the tires provided by them. 

It’s going to be interesting if my tires are not those that were installed at the factory. 

Thank you for your response and informative suggestions. 

Also, please note that I had indeed, inflated to the max per sidewall data, not my five lbs under max as I had stated. 


Posted By: Geezerbill
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2023 at 4:14pm
Glue Guy,

The trailer is in storage but possibly I can go over there tomorrow and look and see if I can find it. 

Bill


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2023 at 4:51pm
Geezerbill, it may be worth a phone call to the r-Pod customer service number.  You may want to try this:  Katlyn Mabie  tel:%28574%29%20642-3119 - (574) 642-3119 .  She's the service department rep for the West Coast r-Pod factory.  If she can't help, she'll probably transfer you to someone you can.  

I suspect FR will take this seriously since it can have some legal implications for them and they may want to address the issue with the dealer, which is their agent.

We geezers need to stick together.



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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: Geezerbill
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2023 at 8:28pm
Lostagain,

First, indeed we do and thanks for that contact information. 

As my Rpod is a 192 with Murphy bed I do not think it was manufactured on the west cost but I’m not sure about that. 

The big issue as I see it, is I have no way to proved the miles I have used the trailer. It easily could become a pointing game. To lie about it is not in my DNA but I still have zero proof. I did take some photos with a plastic tread depth gage in the on ground tire and the spare but it is difficult to see. 

However, I will indeed call the lady and see what comes out of it. I thank you for the kind, helpful response you have provided me with. 

Bill


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 28 Feb 2023 at 6:15am
Proving your use in this kind of a situation really should not be an issue with FR, though an unscrupulous dealer may raise the issue because that's their mindset; that everyone cheats like they do.  You are really talking about a dispute that is more one of principle than money, as the total cost of putting new tires on the trailer is well under $400. 

Here's an Indiana number for r-Pod:  574.825.7000.  My experience calling there was for parts, back in the days when they sold parts to their customers, but they were always very friendly and courteous.

We had a recall issue with our 172 when we bought it.  It was used and well out of warranty, but the recall was a safety issue concerning inadequate running lights.  We bought our trainer from a dealer in Los Baños, CA, despite the fact that we lived near Carson City, NV.  I called a local r-Pod dealer in Reno and was told that they would be able to get to it in about a year.  Non-selling dealers simply won't deal with warranty repairs voluntarily.  We took the trailer back to the selling dealer and they did the recall repair, but made a mistake with the wiring.  I worked it out with them to pay a local independent shop to fix their error.  They handled the situation with such integrity that we bought our Sonoma from them as well.  Unfortunately, in the RV world, especially with FR, there is very poor dealer control on the part of the manufacturer.  


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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: James07
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2023 at 8:33pm
I went with Toyo Open Country A/T on 178.  Drove over 7,000 miles round trip California to Alaska. 
Handled pot holes and frost heaves on the Alcan without any damage.  Happy with tires, except they were already two years old when purchased from Sam's Club.  Lesson learn is to exam tires before they install them.


Posted By: jato
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2023 at 5:33am
Originally posted by James07

  Happy with tires, except they were already two years old when purchased from Sam's Club.  Lesson learn is to exam tires before they install them.


Funny you should mention that as when I went to replace my original "Tire King" tires on a 177 at 5 years, it was noted that even though the build date was January 2011 the tires were manufactured during the summer of 2009, so even though they were china tires with 20,000+ miles at the time, no issues were encountered and the tires looked great, even after 7 years.  2016-2020 had Hartland "C" tires - no issues and since then Carlisle Radial Trail "D" tires - a great tire!


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God's pod
'11 model 177
'17 Ford F-150 4WD 3.5 Ecoboost
Jim and Diane by beautiful Torch Lake
"...and you will know the Truth and the Truth will set you free."


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2023 at 5:50am
I wonder if the delay between the build date of the trailers and the manufacture date of the tires is the result of supply chain delays or whether the trailer builders are stockpiling tires and not using them up fast enough.  My speculation is that it is a supply chain delay issue.  Perhaps it's time for the trailer builders to be a little more strict with the date of the manufacture of tires when they receive them.  On the other hand, there may be some very good deals on aging out tires when purchased by the thousands and the opportunity to reduce material costs is just too tempting for Mr. Buffet and others.

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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: jato
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2023 at 12:21pm
Originally posted by lostagain

 On the other hand, there may be some very good deals on aging out tires when purchased by the thousands and the opportunity to reduce material costs is just too tempting for Mr. Buffet and others.

This seems like a very plausible answer as when our 177 was built, January 2011, supply chain issues or the like which is experienced today wasn't a factor or even spoken about as they are today.


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God's pod
'11 model 177
'17 Ford F-150 4WD 3.5 Ecoboost
Jim and Diane by beautiful Torch Lake
"...and you will know the Truth and the Truth will set you free."


Posted By: gpokluda
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2023 at 2:26pm
Originally posted by lostagain

I wonder if the delay between the build date of the trailers and the manufacture date of the tires is the result of supply chain delays or whether the trailer builders are stockpiling tires and not using them up fast enough.  My speculation is that it is a supply chain delay issue.  Perhaps it's time for the trailer builders to be a little more strict with the date of the manufacture of tires when they receive them.  On the other hand, there may be some very good deals on aging out tires when purchased by the thousands and the opportunity to reduce material costs is just too tempting for Mr. Buffet and others.

My understanding, at least from the small manufacturer that made our current trailer, is that the manufacturer purchases the axle, wheel/tires and in our case, even the frame as a unit from a third party supplier. In the case of our Escape, the frame, tires, wheels, and axles come from Dexter. I think the last thing a manufacturer wants is inventory like tires and wheels laying around consuming valuable production space. 


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Gpokluda
2017 Rpod 179(sold 2023)
2022 Escape 5.0TA
2022 Ford F150 4X4 3.5EB
Triumph T120


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2023 at 6:33am
It is likely that FR and the other large RV companies are able to require their chassis manufacturers to build to their specifications, including suspensions and tires.  They have the capacity to tell the chassis manufacturers that they want tires that are reasonably fresh instead of 2 or 3 years into their life span.  Where there are 2 or 3 year old tires being installed on new trailers, it is clear that somewhere in the supply chain there are some sort of delays occurring to the detriment of new trailer purchasers.

From my personal experience, when I've purchased new Carlisle tires for ourPod and our Sonoma, the new tires have never been more than 6 months old, per the sidewall dates.  If I purchased a "new" tire that was over a year old I think I'd either return it or demand a prorated discount from the price.   


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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2023 at 10:57am
+1

After learning about tire date codes, I've made it an informal practice to check, and the tires have always been relatively "fresh" in the neighborhood of 3-6 months.

I would think that with the high demand for RVs in general plus the supply chain issues that it would be hard to find tires that are more than a few months old. That is not based on fact so much as noodling here in my chair.


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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: hank*pod
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2023 at 4:15pm
I just bought some Goodyear Endurance tires from Discount Tire Direct and they're dated 3722 and 3822 so mid-September - about 6 months old.



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