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Topic: Recommendation for "portable" jack for tire change
Posted By: renhui
Subject: Recommendation for "portable" jack for tire change
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2023 at 11:29am
Hey guys, 
Finally finished my first trips on my new to me Rpod.
I've witnessed couple tire blowouts on the way, and was wondering if you carry a portable jack for emergency tire change over. 
I've got a 3 ton jack at home for all tire changeover, but it's too heavy to lug around. 
Thanks. 



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2016 Rpod 178 HRE
2018 Honda Pilot AWD



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Posted By: mjlrpod
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2023 at 12:16pm
I keep a bottle jack in my truck. Never needed so far, but I think it'll work fine.

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2017.5 Rp-172
2020 R-pod 195
2015 Frontier sv 4.0L 6cyl
I'll be rpodding


Posted By: gpokluda
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2023 at 4:10pm
I use the Harbor Freight 12 ton bottle jack. Works fine but you should carry a couple of pieces if 2X6 as a base for stability.

https://www.harborfreight.com/12-ton-hydraulic-bottle-jack-56739.html?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=17890472041&campaignid=17890472041&utm_content=140972207193&adsetid=140972207193&product=56739&store=56&gclid=Cj0KCQjw0IGnBhDUARIsAMwFDLmeSPnjPDAxEUHrdvIZt8g0lBNNReE_UGZR7G-tLQ6-FkLWdDvIBXgaAnFSEALw_wcB


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Gpokluda
2017 Rpod 179(sold 2023)
2022 Escape 5.0TA
2022 Ford F150 4X4 3.5EB
Triumph T120


Posted By: renhui
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2023 at 5:18pm
Thanks for the replies guys. 

The Harbor Heights seems like a decent model with 18inch max height. 

Will check locally for sure.  hope I can find something decent for the HRE model.


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2016 Rpod 178 HRE
2018 Honda Pilot AWD


Posted By: David and Danette
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2023 at 6:56pm
 We bought the 3 ton All-in-One Powerbuilt bottle jack for our camper and I am very happy with it. Used it to replace the leaf springs on our camper that and a couple of jack stands. It is a fairly popular jack with good reviews cost a little more but I think it's worth it. This would be my recomendation.

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2018 Vista Cruiser 19BFD (2018-              
2012 Vibe 6503 (2014-2019)
2009 r-pod 171 (2009-2014)
Middle Tn
2014 Ram 1500 Quad cab




Posted By: jato
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2023 at 8:04pm
Used to carry a bottle jack many years ago for my 177 until I had a flat and found out the bottle jack was too tall to fit under the jacking point.  And my fingers weren't strong enough to dig through concrete or asphalt that was on the shoulder of the road.   Since then (10 years ago) a two ton floor jack from HF was purchased, compact and has its own carrying case, weighs maybe 15-18 lbs. 

Remember when you have a flat you only have 4" to work with, at least that is all on a 177, so measure the length of that bottle jack before making a purchase.


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God's pod
'11 model 177
'17 Ford F-150 4WD 3.5 Ecoboost
Jim and Diane by beautiful Torch Lake
"...and you will know the Truth and the Truth will set you free."


Posted By: gpokluda
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2023 at 12:35pm
Jato, where are you positioning the jack that it you only have 4" of clearance?

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Gpokluda
2017 Rpod 179(sold 2023)
2022 Escape 5.0TA
2022 Ford F150 4X4 3.5EB
Triumph T120


Posted By: David and Danette
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2023 at 1:34pm
 I was told to position jack under frame just behind the axle and not under the axle.

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2018 Vista Cruiser 19BFD (2018-              
2012 Vibe 6503 (2014-2019)
2009 r-pod 171 (2009-2014)
Middle Tn
2014 Ram 1500 Quad cab




Posted By: renhui
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2023 at 2:19pm
Appreciate the more replies. guys.

The all-in-one sounds like a great idea, keeping an eye for any sales.  

I always jack up under the frame, though I've seen ppl position under the axle. 

On a side note, realized I actually have a smaller bottle jack from many years ago, but it's not tall enough. 


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2016 Rpod 178 HRE
2018 Honda Pilot AWD


Posted By: gpokluda
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2023 at 2:29pm
Originally posted by David and Danette

 I was told to position jack under frame just behind the axle and not under the axle.

I don't have my Rpod anymore, but I remember being told I could jack up the trailer by placing the jack under the mounting flange on the axle (not the axle tube). If I remember correctly, There was plenty of room for the 12 ton HF jack even with a flat tire. I now have a tandem axle which takes care of a lot of the clearance issues and the recommendation from Dexter is to jack up from the mounting flange as well.


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Gpokluda
2017 Rpod 179(sold 2023)
2022 Escape 5.0TA
2022 Ford F150 4X4 3.5EB
Triumph T120


Posted By: jato
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2023 at 8:56pm
Under the mounting flange next to the 14" tire.


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God's pod
'11 model 177
'17 Ford F-150 4WD 3.5 Ecoboost
Jim and Diane by beautiful Torch Lake
"...and you will know the Truth and the Truth will set you free."


Posted By: Pod People
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2023 at 8:06am
This has been discussed many times in the past-both issues of where to jack and what jack to use.

I tried to use a bottle jack and found 2 major issues--there was not enough clearance (height) for the bottle jack and the bottle jack has too small of a footprint to be safe and solid. A 4"-6" round jack in soft ground/gravel with a round top is not a good way to jack up 2000 pounds even if there is enough height to make it work.

I ended up with a 2 ton floor jack from Harbor Freight.  It is larger, weighs more,  has a low profile and a larger footprint. As I recall, it cost about $75 3 years ago. that is the type of jack that I would recommend.

Where to jack is partially determined by which pod you have and the axle/mount configuration. for my 179, the manufacturer and my tire  guy agree that the mounting flange for the axle is the right place to jack.
Travel often and safe
Vann


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Vann & Laura 2015 RPod 179
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Posted By: gpokluda
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2023 at 8:29am
Originally posted by Pod People


I tried to use a bottle jack and found 2 major issues--there was not enough clearance (height) for the bottle jack and the bottle jack has too small of a footprint to be safe and solid. A 4"-6" round jack in soft ground/gravel with a round top is not a good way to jack up 2000 pounds even if there is enough height to make it work.


Aside from the clearance issue which is a limitation, I have to respectfully disagree with a floor jack being better. The intended environment of a floor jack is smooth solid surface, something that is not a given when towing. Wood blocks and plastic leveling pads can be used on a bottle jack to provide stability. I always carry a jackstand as well for safety and if I need to lift incrementally.


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Gpokluda
2017 Rpod 179(sold 2023)
2022 Escape 5.0TA
2022 Ford F150 4X4 3.5EB
Triumph T120


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2023 at 9:03am
When we had the blowout on our 179, there would not have been enough height to get a bottle jack in. The trolley jack we had was able to get in there, barely. Even so, I had to skip my jacking block and just use the flange to get that side up enough to change the tire. This was along I70 heading into Utah. It blew out just after we passed an exit for an agricultural inspection. I could not back up and I did not want to drive on the rim and ruin it. I think that whatever will work for the situation is the answer. One size does not fit all.

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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: jato
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2023 at 9:14am
I have to agree with Pod People on use of a floor jack.  My last blow out was a year ago while creeping down a dirt path I came too close to a tree that partially blown over and one of its stabilizer roots came too close to the tire (actually it was my fault, I got that close to that root), regardless, it punctured the sidewall and the tire went flat immediately.  Fortunately i had a shovel to gain enough clearance to place the floor jack on the loose soil.  Before digging out I had 3" of clearance between the mounting flange and the ground.  No way would I trust using a bottle jack under those conditions.  Certainly I had to grunt a bit to place the floor jack on the soil to get it in position to lift the trailer but it was definitely stable and the tire/wheel was removed in a safe manner. 


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God's pod
'11 model 177
'17 Ford F-150 4WD 3.5 Ecoboost
Jim and Diane by beautiful Torch Lake
"...and you will know the Truth and the Truth will set you free."


Posted By: Pod People
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2023 at 9:29am
I respectfully disagree with your respectable disagreement.

the floor jack is approximately 10" wide x 22" long and is a much more stable footprint than a round 4"-6" bottle jack.The base of the floor jack can definitely be used on soft ground or gravel and still be solid because it spreads the weight around a much larger surface area.  the floor jack does NOT require a flat, smooth surface. The small wheels will probably sink into gravel/soft dirt leaving the large rectangular frame as the support. Actually, the bottle jack is more oriented to a smooth ,flat surface than the floor jack.

I know of several instances where friends or other trailer owners have tried to use bottle jacks and they have failed because of height or soft ground problems.  I tried the bottle jack myself and failed. Luckily, I was in an area patrolled by the road emergency crews and they were able to use their floor jack to help me out.  Immediately after that,  I bought the floor jack. Unfortunately, I have used the floor jack on too many occasions on very different roadsides and surfaces.

the floor jack is heavier, cost more and harder to store in the pod.  but, it is safer and has worked every time I needed it.

https://www.harborfreight.com/automotive/jacks-jack-stands/floor-jacks/15-ton-low-profile-aluminum-racing-floor-jack-with-rapid-pump-64545.html

We all make our own decisions and have to live with them.
Travel often and safe
Vann


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Vann & Laura 2015 RPod 179
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Posted By: gpokluda
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2023 at 12:56pm
I think we are just going to have to agree to disagree on this one. Based on the tools I have readily available: tongue jack, stabilizer jacks, bottle jack, TV jack(usually a bottle jack as well), various pieces of wood and plastic pads and a jack stand, I can't see why I would lug a jack that is not even intended for that purpose along. 

I've been through many years of DoE and DoD field training and never once was a floor jack part of the equipment list. As one of my favorite instructors used to say,

"Safe" and "Easy" are two words that are rarely used together. There's a reason for that.

Cheers.


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Gpokluda
2017 Rpod 179(sold 2023)
2022 Escape 5.0TA
2022 Ford F150 4X4 3.5EB
Triumph T120


Posted By: jato
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2023 at 2:47pm
Curious gpokluda, how can you 'safely' get a bottle jack in position to change a flat tire when you only have 3" of clearance to do so?  Not only that but the large 'footprint' of a floor jack of 10" x 22" is certainly going to afford a ton more stability than a 'wimpy' footprint of a 4" bottle jack.  And that is only looking at the ground or bottom of said jack.  On the top end the bottle jack (I am holding one right now, which is never used for safety reasons, measures a whopping 1.5" across, verses my 2 ton bottle jack which measures 3" x 3."  Again, the bottle jacks surface area on top of the piston is 1.76 sq." verses my floor jack at 9 sq." so here again the safety factor on the top surface alone of the floor jack is over 5 times the surface area of a bottle jack.  I think the safety factor alone is all for the floor jack, from the ground footprint to the top surface area.  The only negative would be the weight and size but when you look at safety, it becomes a non issue.


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God's pod
'11 model 177
'17 Ford F-150 4WD 3.5 Ecoboost
Jim and Diane by beautiful Torch Lake
"...and you will know the Truth and the Truth will set you free."


Posted By: David and Danette
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2023 at 6:44pm
 The powerbuilt all-in-one jack has a larger stable foot print but I agree it needs more height to operate but under our frame there is more than enough clearance. I placed the jack just behind where the spring attaches to the frame. I think most rpods have a torsion axle and I forget how that was when we had our rpod.

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2018 Vista Cruiser 19BFD (2018-              
2012 Vibe 6503 (2014-2019)
2009 r-pod 171 (2009-2014)
Middle Tn
2014 Ram 1500 Quad cab




Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2023 at 5:50am
We carried a floor jack when we had ourPod 172.  A bottle jack like the one we use now wouldn't fit under the axle attachment point.  I used the floor jack a few times for maintenance on a not very smooth gravel surface and it worked but was a pain to move into position and hard to pump because of the position of the handle.  Thankfully, I never had a flat out on the road.  

Our current trailer has an I-beam frame with leaf springs so I have some flexibility with lift points.  I also carry a collection of pieces of 2x6 blocks that I use for leveling when parked under the wheel and for the stabilizer and tongue jacks.  I can use those blocks to put under my bottle jack for a larger flat surface area and for a base for setting up my jack stand.  When I jack up the trailer, I also lower the stabilizing jacks with blocks under them as necessary for an extra margin of stability.

One other solution would be to roll the flat tire up onto some leveling blocks to raise it high enough to get a short bottle jack under the axle/frame attachment point.  The blocks have to be set up so that they're wider than the rim, so the tire doesn't settle around the sides of the blocks, but with just a few blocks enough height can be gained.


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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: gpokluda
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2023 at 8:36am
First, let's establish that the Rpod has 3 lift points on each side: Frame just in front of the axle, axle flange, frame just behind the axle. Everything I mention here, I have with me on a trip. 

Using a combination of the 4@2X6 wood sections and 12" worth of stabilizer pads, build a short ramp to roll the flat tire up onto. Save at least one or two pads or pieces of 2X6 for the bottle jack if needed. You should now have plenty of room to place your bottle jack underneath. I use a 12ton bottle jack that has a 6X6 inch base for 36 square inches of footprint (I would not mess around with a 2ton jack). It is 9" tall compressed. Doing the math, you have 3" of clearance, 18" of pad/2x6 lift capacity. Yah, you get the point.

I also carry a jack stand and would use the trailer stabilizers for added safety.


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Gpokluda
2017 Rpod 179(sold 2023)
2022 Escape 5.0TA
2022 Ford F150 4X4 3.5EB
Triumph T120


Posted By: Rpod-Couple
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2023 at 9:01am
Anyone using a scissors-jack that came with your tow vehicle? My VW Atlas came with a scissors-jack. Lifts up one side of my 4300 lb SUV so sufficient for my 171. It’s low profile and with my leveling blocks provides plenty of height. I can’t see carrying the extra weight of an additional jack I hope I never need. BTW - never put any part of your body under the vehicle while changing a tire in case the jack slips. Lower your stabilizer jacks for extra measure as well.

At home, I use my rolling floor-jack to lift up the R-pod and place blocks under the axle/frame attachment point to take weight off the tires and axle between trips. Hope to avoid bent axle problems. 




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Steve & Elaine
2021 R-pod
2023 VW Atlas Cross Sport


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2023 at 9:12am
I tried once with the sissors jack that came with our previous Ford Escape. It bent. Never again. I'll stick with the trolley jack or the bottle jack.

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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: David and Danette
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2023 at 11:13am
 I don't think a sizzor jack would be very stable I think a car or truck would be more stable than a trailer being lifted to change a tire. I would use a lot of caution using a sizzor jack. 

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2018 Vista Cruiser 19BFD (2018-              
2012 Vibe 6503 (2014-2019)
2009 r-pod 171 (2009-2014)
Middle Tn
2014 Ram 1500 Quad cab




Posted By: gpokluda
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2023 at 3:50pm
Originally posted by David and Danette

 I don't think a sizzor jack would be very stable I think a car or truck would be more stable than a trailer being lifted to change a tire. I would use a lot of caution using a sizzor jack. 

Agreed. I have never been a big fan of the scissor jack for use on the road, however, in a shop setting they can be quite handy when you have a solid surface to work. We used them quite a bit in my motorcycle shop. We had a couple that we modified a high grade bolt to fit where hooked handle would go. Then we could use a drill driver with a socket to raise the jack. Very effect for removing rear wheels from motorcycles and as well as changing tires on ATVs.


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Gpokluda
2017 Rpod 179(sold 2023)
2022 Escape 5.0TA
2022 Ford F150 4X4 3.5EB
Triumph T120


Posted By: David and Danette
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2023 at 6:21pm
 I am terrible at spelling!

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2018 Vista Cruiser 19BFD (2018-              
2012 Vibe 6503 (2014-2019)
2009 r-pod 171 (2009-2014)
Middle Tn
2014 Ram 1500 Quad cab




Posted By: hank*pod
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2023 at 8:25pm
My F150 has a scissor jack that I've used to raise the trailer tongue off the ground (because reasons). If I had a blowout and couldn't fit my bottle jack under the trailer frame wouldn't hesitate to use the scissor jack to get enough clearance for the bottle jack. At some point I'd put a jack stand under there too.


Posted By: renhui
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2023 at 9:16pm
wow good to see all the replies. 

As a quick update, I bought a Powerbuilt  All-in-1 3 ton with 21 ft lift range, which should work perfected for my 178 HRE. (Local Costco started carrying it at an amazing price only about US45 compared to online retailers here)


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2016 Rpod 178 HRE
2018 Honda Pilot AWD


Posted By: James07
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2023 at 8:01pm
I carry a floor jack.  They are heavy and take up a lot of space.  But, I've used bottle jacks before and it is scary when the vehicle shifts during the lift and bottle jack starts to tilt.


Posted By: renhui
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2023 at 9:35pm
I got around to testing the all-in-1 jack today on the rpod, and it worked pretty well. it has a jack stand type of contact with the frame vs. the round top of a pure floor jack, which turns out to be fairly stable. 

I've got two floor jacks at home, but due to the height of the rpod, only the large 3 ton one is able to lift it up for tire change, which I was really reluctant to carry and prompted to get something smaller. 


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2016 Rpod 178 HRE
2018 Honda Pilot AWD



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