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Topic: No Compressor Winterization
Posted By: Seanl
Subject: No Compressor Winterization
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2012 at 7:14pm
I just finished winterizing my Pod and while I have a compressor I don't have a blowout plug so I use a method of winterization  that does not require a compressor.  (Edit) I just wanted to add that this is one method of winterization that I like because it does not require that you purchase and extra equipment and it works IMHO as well as any other method. 

  • First I close the water valves for the Water heater and open the bypass valve. This is what it looks like when they are set




  • Push the pressure release valve on the hot water tank depressurize the tank. I did not get this in the picture but It is just above plate with all the writing on it.
  • Remove the hot water heater anode and drain the hot water tank.  



  • Open the siphon valve so that the pump will draw from the antifreeze bottle.
  • I understand that not All Pods have this hose some you have to remove the hose from the input of the pump and attach a siphon hose.
  • The valve handle lines up with the hose you want the pump to draw from.



  • Turn on the pump and run the hot and cold taps on the sink and shower until it runs pink.
  • Run the toilet until it runs pink. 
  • Go outside and remove the screen from the city water input and open the back flow valve by pushing on the white plastic post until pink water came out. Note that you should stand to one side when you do this because you will get sprayed if you don't. 
  • Put the screen back in. 

 

  • This is what the screen looks like when you take it out. It pry's out with a small screwdriver.

 

  • And this is what it looks like with the screen out. You can see the post you have to push on the release the back flow valve. 



  • Shut off the pump open the taps on the sink to depressurize the system and remove the low point drain caps. 
  • Turn the pump back on and check that antifreeze is coming out of the low point drains then shut the pump off again and put the caps back on the low point drains. 




  • Removed the drain plug on the fresh water tank and poured a little more antifreeze down the drains to fill the traps and the system is winterized. Took me 1/2 an hour. 


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Sean, 2011 Rpod RP-173,2009 Jeep Liberty Rocky Mountain Edition



Replies:
Posted By: Racer|X|
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2012 at 7:47pm
Very nice step by step with pics!  Now....where were you two weeks ago? ;)

Can't wait for Spring camping.

X


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Posted By: Seanl
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 7:54am
Originally posted by Racer|X|

Very nice step by step with pics!  Now....where were you two weeks ago? ;)

Can't wait for Spring camping.

X

I was supposed to do it two weeks ago but kept putting it off then we had a big frost and I thought I should get it done


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Sean, 2011 Rpod RP-173,2009 Jeep Liberty Rocky Mountain Edition


Posted By: this_is_nascar
Date Posted: 21 Oct 2012 at 8:11am
Originally posted by Seanl

I just finished winterizing my Pod and while I have a compressor I don't have a blowout plug so I use a method of winterization  that does not require a compressor
 
 
A novice may read this and interpret it as meaning that you're "supposed" to blow out the lines with air prior to winterizing, which is certainly not the case.  I've never used anything to introduce air into the lines to displace the water in the system.  In my opinion, it's simply a waste of time and effort.  If you know how to properly winterize, you can 100% ensure that you've displaced any and all water with antifreeze, from the required components.  Congrats on what you've done here, but you certainly didn't invent the concept of winterizing without a compressor.
 
My fear is that others start hearing the "stories/opinions" of how a compressor "must be used", then they go out and purchase something they really didn't need to purchase.  I guess I'll get flooded with PM's again about my "negative" attitude on the board, but I don't like inaccurate or unintentionally misguided information to be spread around.  Someone will read your post and think that the only "correct" way to winterize is to start by blowing out all the lines.
 
 
 


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"Ray & Connie"

- 2017 R-Pod RP-180
- 2007 Toyota Tacoma TRD-Off Road


Posted By: Seanl
Date Posted: 21 Oct 2012 at 9:38am
Originally posted by this_is_nascar

Originally posted by Seanl

I just finished winterizing my Pod and while I have a compressor I don't have a blowout plug so I use a method of winterization  that does not require a compressor
 
 
A novice may read this and interpret it as meaning that you're "supposed" to blow out the lines with air prior to winterizing, which is certainly not the case.  I've never used anything to introduce air into the lines to displace the water in the system.  In my opinion, it's simply a waste of time and effort.  If you know how to properly winterize, you can 100% ensure that you've displaced any and all water with antifreeze, from the required components.  Congrats on what you've done here, but you certainly didn't invent the concept of winterizing without a compressor.
 
My fear is that others start hearing the "stories/opinions" of how a compressor "must be used", then they go out and purchase something they really didn't need to purchase.  I guess I'll get flooded with PM's again about my "negative" attitude on the board, but I don't like inaccurate or unintentionally misguided information to be spread around.  Someone will read your post and think that the only "correct" way to winterize is to start by blowing out all the lines.
 
 
 

I did not mean any ambiguity.  I think my point that you don't need a compressor to winterize A travel trailer indicates that you did not need to purchase any extra equipment. The  only reason that I mentioned a compressor was to provide an alternative winterizing the plumbing system on the Pod to the excellent one that techntrek posted that required a compressor and blowout plug. While I did not invent it I have not seen a post with a step by step post outlining  how to do it it so I thought I would provide one. By the way there are winterization methods that use a compressor and also use antifreeze in the lines. I would not recommend a method that only blew out the lines because as you say you have no guarantee that air will totally displace water. We blow out the lines at my cottage when we winterize it and we have had pipes burst because water was trapped in an elbow.  There is no one correct way to do most things in life there are usually different methods that work equally well depending on the situation. 

Speaking of ambiguity your comment that you you don't like inaccurate or unintentionally misguided information to be spread around would seam to indicate that you think my post inaccurate even though you agree with me that a compressor is not needed. 


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Sean, 2011 Rpod RP-173,2009 Jeep Liberty Rocky Mountain Edition


Posted By: TIDALWAVE
Date Posted: 21 Oct 2012 at 11:26am
I am one of those Pod owners who uses a low-pressure compressor to first blow out the water lines and then adds RV antifreeze. By using compressed air first...pure freezable water is forced out without having to use expensive ($3-$7/gallon) antifreeze to first flush out the pure water and then replace it. I use the compressor because I already own and use it to top off the air pressure in the Pod tires. If I didn't own a compressor I would certainly follow the above instructions. A $100-$500 air compressor would buy a lot of $5/gallon RV antifreeze.
No one has said that you HAVE to go out and buy a compressor if you don't already own one...just that you will save on having to buy additional antifreeze if you DO own one.

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TIDALWAVE


Posted By: Racer|X|
Date Posted: 21 Oct 2012 at 11:30am
Nascar lives to "counter-point" any post if you haven't noticed.

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Posted By: Camper Bob
Date Posted: 22 Oct 2012 at 9:54am
I have been reading all these posts for about a year.  Some people seem to have a very negative attitude about anything and everything.  As the old adage goes, "If the shoe fits, wear it."  It seems to me that quite a few undecided buyers may visit these bulletin boards before making a purchase of an Rpod.  If anyone is selling a used Rpod I would guess some have been turned off from making the purchase, either new or used, as a result sellers may find it more difficult to sell their Rpods.  I am firmly interested to hear constructive criticism, mods, etc. however, think before you post.  Rather than bring a negative attitude here, add a suggestion that will correct any problems that are brought up.   I will get off my soap box now.  Remember, negative comments affect us all.  Safe Travels.

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Camper Bob and Camper Sue
Gracie the Wonder Dog (12 LB. Mini Dachshund)
2013 Rpod 171HRE(ORPod)
2016 Lance 1685
2015 Nissan Pathfinder


Posted By: P&M
Date Posted: 22 Oct 2012 at 11:57am
As one who does not own a compressor I'd like to thank you Sean for the detailed write-up and pic's on how to perform the winterizing process ... it will be very handy for me indeed when I get to that point.

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P & M ... and Comet too!
2012 171 -- The Monkey Pod
2018 Ram 2500


Posted By: this_is_nascar
Date Posted: 22 Oct 2012 at 3:18pm
Originally posted by Seanl

Originally posted by this_is_nascar

Originally posted by Seanl

I just finished winterizing my Pod and while I have a compressor I don't have a blowout plug so I use a method of winterization  that does not require a compressor
 
 
A novice may read this and interpret it as meaning that you're "supposed" to blow out the lines with air prior to winterizing, which is certainly not the case.  I've never used anything to introduce air into the lines to displace the water in the system.  In my opinion, it's simply a waste of time and effort.  If you know how to properly winterize, you can 100% ensure that you've displaced any and all water with antifreeze, from the required components.  Congrats on what you've done here, but you certainly didn't invent the concept of winterizing without a compressor.
 
My fear is that others start hearing the "stories/opinions" of how a compressor "must be used", then they go out and purchase something they really didn't need to purchase.  I guess I'll get flooded with PM's again about my "negative" attitude on the board, but I don't like inaccurate or unintentionally misguided information to be spread around.  Someone will read your post and think that the only "correct" way to winterize is to start by blowing out all the lines.
 
 
 

I did not mean any ambiguity.  I think my point that you don't need a compressor to winterize A travel trailer indicates that you did not need to purchase any extra equipment. The  only reason that I mentioned a compressor was to provide an alternative winterizing the plumbing system on the Pod to the excellent one that techntrek posted that required a compressor and blowout plug. While I did not invent it I have not seen a post with a step by step post outlining  how to do it it so I thought I would provide one. By the way there are winterization methods that use a compressor and also use antifreeze in the lines. I would not recommend a method that only blew out the lines because as you say you have no guarantee that air will totally displace water. We blow out the lines at my cottage when we winterize it and we have had pipes burst because water was trapped in an elbow.  There is no one correct way to do most things in life there are usually different methods that work equally well depending on the situation. 

Speaking of ambiguity your comment that you you don't like inaccurate or unintentionally misguided information to be spread around would seam to indicate that you think my post inaccurate even though you agree with me that a compressor is not needed. 
 
 
Certainly not inaccurate at all.  Obviously, I must have interpretted your post differently than others, since I'm the only one expressing a concern.  Bottom line is you posted a method that does not require a compressor, so that's a great contribution.  Thanks for doing so.
 


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"Ray & Connie"

- 2017 R-Pod RP-180
- 2007 Toyota Tacoma TRD-Off Road


Posted By: this_is_nascar
Date Posted: 22 Oct 2012 at 3:19pm
Originally posted by Racer|X|

Nascar lives to "counter-point" any post if you haven't noticed.
 
 
Thanks for noticing.  I'm flattered.
 


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"Ray & Connie"

- 2017 R-Pod RP-180
- 2007 Toyota Tacoma TRD-Off Road


Posted By: this_is_nascar
Date Posted: 22 Oct 2012 at 3:22pm
Originally posted by Camper Bob

I have been reading all these posts for about a year.  Some people seem to have a very negative attitude about anything and everything.  As the old adage goes, "If the shoe fits, wear it."  It seems to me that quite a few undecided buyers may visit these bulletin boards before making a purchase of an Rpod.  If anyone is selling a used Rpod I would guess some have been turned off from making the purchase, either new or used, as a result sellers may find it more difficult to sell their Rpods.  I am firmly interested to hear constructive criticism, mods, etc. however, think before you post.  Rather than bring a negative attitude here, add a suggestion that will correct any problems that are brought up.   I will get off my soap box now.  Remember, negative comments affect us all.  Safe Travels.
 
 
Not sure what you suggesting Bob.  It almost sounds as if you're wanting to hear only the ra-ra and hip horray for FR and the R-POD, but none of the negative.  Yep, that's just want I want to learn when I join a new board...................... all the good and none of the bad.
 
 


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"Ray & Connie"

- 2017 R-Pod RP-180
- 2007 Toyota Tacoma TRD-Off Road


Posted By: Racer|X|
Date Posted: 22 Oct 2012 at 8:42pm
Your negativity and disdain for FR and R-pods is easy to notice.  

X


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Posted By: rpodcamper.com
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2012 at 2:14am
Ok there are many different ways to prepare your camper for winter depending on where you live and the tempatures you live in, type of equipment ot tools you already own or want to own.  There are even people that take it the dealers to have done.  Every person needs to decide for themselves how they want to do it as at the end of the winter how well it held is what counts. 
As for Negative comments about Forest River and Rpods I have thrown Forest River under the bus a few times when needed.  They (Forest River) tried to weasle out of the lighting issues on the 2009-early 2011 and had not a rpod owner fought for the repairs it would have been swept under the carpet.  I fought publicly in 2009 about the bad bedding they placed in the campers and they did replace mine, Stabalizers not being installed on the front (they now have them installed) and other design issues and problems.  If I'm coming to a Forum I want to know BOTH whats good and bad.  Yes I have thought of selling my unit to go get something else (MPG Model) but at the end of the Day I saw they are just as probmatic as the rest of the campers out there.
We all need to remember we are all here for the same reasons- To share our love of camping and the camper units that we may have now or had or plan to have. 
 
With that said I'm looking to try to plan a Camping Trip in January again at French Creek State Park in PA.  Any one want to join us?
 


Posted By: this_is_nascar
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2012 at 7:38am
I'm hoping to go at least one more month before winterizing the Pod.  The Jayco comes home this weekend and will probably get winterized in the next week or two.  We intend to continue to use the Pod for the next 4-6 weeks if the weather cooperates.  I feel bad for you guys that are already having snow and freezing temps.


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"Ray & Connie"

- 2017 R-Pod RP-180
- 2007 Toyota Tacoma TRD-Off Road


Posted By: bc matell
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2012 at 8:44pm
OK after reading all the above posts, WHERE is the pump?? Under the bed or sink?  On a 2011 rp 177. Have read diff locations. 


Posted By: Paige
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2012 at 9:21pm
Thank you Sean for posting those photos. We brought the iPad into the RPod and followed your post step by step. We have owned RVs before and each one is different in some aspect when it comes to winterizing. I was amazed that in order to get to the water pump and heater, we had to unscrew the plywood under the mattress. So along with winterizing our Pod, we also modified the underlying plywood to make it easier next year.

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Paige and Pete
2010 177 - RPug
2012 Rav (six cylinder)
New York & Florida residents


Posted By: RPodWeGo
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2012 at 11:55pm
Thank you Seani and all of the other members for posting the many things you do, so us who do not have trailer/rv experience can learn from those who have "been there/done that".  With step by step instructions it helps us.  Now that y'all hashed out winterization......and our trailers are stowed for the winter in those winter states ..... and I read and chuckle through the various posts ...  We need something else to discuss .... Hmmmmmmm .....Who's voting for who and why .... Only kidding!!!!

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RPodWeGo
RPod 177
04 v8 Toyota 4Runner


Posted By: RPodWeGo
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2012 at 12:03am
Bc Matell: This I can answer as I just went through this last weekend with my 2012 177.   Pump is under bed and there is NOT a bypass valve with a loose hose to suck anti-freeze out of the jug.  Something FRshould rectify at the minimum by sending those owners a hose, a valve, a few clamps and some instructions. Back to what you need to do, search bypass or bypass valve. My spring project will add either the valve FR sends me or the one I pick up at Home Depot or Amazon.com. Either way it is a mod a 2012 177 needs. 

NEVER MIND, you have a 2011 and I believe you have valve and hose. To locate pump... Turn it on and listen....


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RPodWeGo
RPod 177
04 v8 Toyota 4Runner


Posted By: Hayduke
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2012 at 1:22am
Little Sweat Pea Pod:

Just did the winterizing thing today on our 2012 177 HRE.  I was also very disappointed to spend so much time searching for the pickup line to find we don't have one.  Keep us up to date on whether you can talk FR into sending you one!


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2012 177 HRE
2017 Tacoma Double Cab


Posted By: Camper Bob
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2012 at 10:13am
After reading about the lack of an antifreeze pickup in our 2013 171HRE, and inspecting our Rpod thoroughly, I have ordered the Camco kit.  Will install it as soon as it arrives.  Our pump is behind a piece of wood under the kitchen sink.  I believe FR has put those pumps anywhere they could depending on the model.  I don't believe FR is going to be sending out any valves or hoses.  I think they traded those for adding foam to many of the holes in the bottom of the chassis.  Hope they slow down the migration of critters in the winter.  Will also be putting a number of "softener tissues" thruout the trailer.  That's my plan.  Safe Travels

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Camper Bob and Camper Sue
Gracie the Wonder Dog (12 LB. Mini Dachshund)
2013 Rpod 171HRE(ORPod)
2016 Lance 1685
2015 Nissan Pathfinder


Posted By: furpod
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2012 at 5:07pm
BC Matell.. on our 2011 177, the pump and hose are in the slide, under the sink. Remove the 4 screws in the kick panel, and under there is the pump.

And a lot of dog hair. YOUR pod may not have that.. ours does.Wink

Pictures...

The panel you need to remove..




The pump area...



The hose and valve you use to winterize...






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Posted By: RPodWeGo
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2012 at 12:52am
Promised Update on the lack of Winterizing Bypass valve on 2012 HRE 177 - with all of the rhetoric on why FR would save a few bucks and cut out a $6 part.  I contacted the dealer from whom I bought the RPod.  They were surprised to hear the bypass valve was omitted, upon which they contacted FR.  FR confirmed the lack of valve and suggested they cover it under warranty by either sending a valve directly to me or have the dealer provide me one from their parts inventory. They had the Camco valve that Footslogger purchased from Amazon.  They gave me the valve and invoiced Forest River.

My point ...  is the glass half full or half empty.  Thx Forest River for doing what is right.


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RPodWeGo
RPod 177
04 v8 Toyota 4Runner


Posted By: this_is_nascar
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2012 at 8:53am
Originally posted by Little Sweet Pea Pod

Promised Update on the lack of Winterizing Bypass valve on 2012 HRE 177 - with all of the rhetoric on why FR would save a few bucks and cut out a $6 part.  I contacted the dealer from whom I bought the RPod.  They were surprised to hear the bypass valve was omitted, upon which they contacted FR.  FR confirmed the lack of valve and suggested they cover it under warranty by either sending a valve directly to me or have the dealer provide me one from their parts inventory. They had the Camco valve that Footslogger purchased from Amazon.  They gave me the valve and invoiced Forest River.

My point ...  is the glass half full or half empty.  Thx Forest River for doing what is right.
 
 
Yea, they did what's right, but only because you went through the trouble to making an issue about it.  I'd venture to guess that when the bean counters decided to omit this component, they had already speculated that the majority would do nothing about it.  They figured that a small percentage would be bothered enough and call to make a stink of it (as you did and as you should have done).  In the end, they still saved dollars by banking on the fact that, let's say, that less than 10% of the people will be calling and complaining about it.
 
My point................ yes, FR came through because you called them on it, but it's something that should have never gotten to that point to begin with.  Rather than praising them for "fixing something that should have never been broken", I thing those who are impacted should be complaining to the point the FR will never make a stupid mistake like this again.  I'm sure I'm in the minority, as usual, but that's how I feel about it.  At least your particular situation is getting taken care of, so congratulations for that.
 
 
 


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"Ray & Connie"

- 2017 R-Pod RP-180
- 2007 Toyota Tacoma TRD-Off Road


Posted By: TIDALWAVE
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2012 at 9:59am
Very similar to the rear clearance light issue. FR omitted them until someone called them on it and complained to the NHTSA. Warren Buffet didn't become a billionaire by giving out 'free' gifts.

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TIDALWAVE


Posted By: techntrek
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2012 at 2:14pm
I agree with you, nascar.

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Doug ~ '10 171 (2009-2015) ~ 2008 Salem ~ http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1723 - Pod instruction manual


Posted By: Footslogger03
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2012 at 7:37pm
Originally posted by Little Sweet Pea Pod

Promised Update on the lack of Winterizing Bypass valve on 2012 HRE 177 - with all of the rhetoric on why FR would save a few bucks and cut out a $6 part.  I contacted the dealer from whom I bought the RPod.  They were surprised to hear the bypass valve was omitted, <span ="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba26, 26, 26, 0.296875; -webkit-com-fill-color: rgba175, 192, 227, 0.230469; -webkit-com--color: rgba77, 128, 180, 0.230469; ">upon which they contacted FR.  FR confirmed the lack of valve and suggested they cover it under warranty by either sending a valve directly to me or have the dealer provide me one from their parts inventory. They had the Camco valve that Footslogger purchased from Amazon.  They gave me the valve and invoiced Forest River.</span>
<span ="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba26, 26, 26, 0.296875; -webkit-com-fill-color: rgba175, 192, 227, 0.230469; -webkit-com--color: rgba77, 128, 180, 0.230469; "></span>
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Guess I should have pushed harder on the dealer. I just took what I thought was the "path of least resistance" at the time.

'Slogger

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Livin' the Dream    ...'Slogger


Posted By: RPodWeGo
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2012 at 12:57am
Agree too.  To often we accept without questioning why. 

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RPodWeGo
RPod 177
04 v8 Toyota 4Runner



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