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Topic: Axle alignment - what to do?
Posted By: Bill-GA
Subject: Axle alignment - what to do?
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2014 at 11:59pm
I'm getting some wear indication on inside of tires on my 176T.  Is there any option to fine tune / adjust?

Do I byte the bullet and get a new axle?  Ignore it for a while? 

Suggestions?


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Bill & Bev
13 yr old dachshund 'Elsa'
2010 RP-176T (tent & slide-out)
2011 Toyota Tundra 2WD TV



Replies:
Posted By: Budward
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2014 at 4:49am
Forest River cheaps out and uses an undersized axle IMO.
Google "Forest River axle problems" sometime and see the hundreds of complaints about this.
I fixed mine- http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=5018&KW=axle&PN=4&title=179-axle-issues - http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=5018&KW=axle&PN=4&title=179-axle-issues

I just completed a 10,000 mile trip with no sign of axle bending which started showing up within 1000 miles on their original axle.



If you replace the original axle with the same thing, about $700 in parts it will happen again.  If you have an alignment shop bend it back it will happen again.
For about $1200 you can get a new appropriate axle and new higher rated tires and wheels that will stand up.

I plan on asking for the $1200 it cost me to do this right but expect that to be denied.
Sometime this winter I plan on reinstalling the original axle so a dealer can request a warranty replacement and we'll see where that goes.





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2014 179
Towed by a 2015 Ford Transit Diesel
Supervised by a German/Aussie mix and a Labradoodle!


Posted By: kymooses
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2014 at 11:13am
Originally posted by Budward

Forest River cheaps out and uses an undersized axle IMO.
Google "Forest River axle problems" sometime and see the hundreds of complaints about this.
I fixed mine- http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=5018&KW=axle&PN=4&title=179-axle-issues - http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=5018&KW=axle&PN=4&title=179-axle-issues

I just completed a 10,000 mile trip with no sign of axle bending which started showing up within 1000 miles on their original axle.



If you replace the original axle with the same thing, about $700 in parts it will happen again.  If you have an alignment shop bend it back it will happen again.
For about $1200 you can get a new appropriate axle and new higher rated tires and wheels that will stand up.

I plan on asking for the $1200 it cost me to do this right but expect that to be denied.
Sometime this winter I plan on reinstalling the original axle so a dealer can request a warranty replacement and we'll see where that goes.




What is your goal of putting the original axle back on?  Just to get a warrantied replacement of the same axle you already have replaced because you didn't like it?

Bit confused what you'd gain?  Wouldn't it just be the same axle that you took off?


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Posted By: Podster
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2014 at 11:18am
I wonder what potential there is of WDH's overloading TT axles. Especially if they are not adjusted correctly.   


Posted By: Bill-GA
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2014 at 4:37pm
Originally posted by Budward

Forest River cheaps out and uses an undersized axle IMO.

For about $1200 you can get a new appropriate axle and new higher rated tires and wheels that will stand up.


Can you provide the details of your $1200 solution... Who from ... What ... Approx cost?

Thanks, Bill


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Bill & Bev
13 yr old dachshund 'Elsa'
2010 RP-176T (tent & slide-out)
2011 Toyota Tundra 2WD TV


Posted By: Bill-GA
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2014 at 11:37pm
I found on the Dexter.com site a section on axles called Torflex  rated at   tel:4100-6000 - 4100-6000 lbs which look like good replacement axles.  Comes with hubs and brakes.  I would think it costs more $$$ for the higher rated axle, so now the Q is 4100, 5200 or 6000? Since I'd be bolting up to the FR frame (assuming I don't over load my RPod) any would work.  My document (sticker) says its a 4500 (?) lb trailer ... So 5200 seem's like a good choice. Old axle was rated at 3500 - how did FR get away with that?

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Bill & Bev
13 yr old dachshund 'Elsa'
2010 RP-176T (tent & slide-out)
2011 Toyota Tundra 2WD TV


Posted By: Bill-GA
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2014 at 10:22pm
Budward,  are you there?

I could really use some info on the new axle you got .... Thanks,  Bill


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Bill & Bev
13 yr old dachshund 'Elsa'
2010 RP-176T (tent & slide-out)
2011 Toyota Tundra 2WD TV


Posted By: Yak
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2014 at 10:25pm
Originally posted by Bill-GA

I found on the Dexter.com site a section on axles called Torflex  rated at   tel:4100-6000 - 4100-6000 lbs which look like good replacement axles.  Comes with hubs and brakes.  I would think it costs more $$$ for the higher rated axle, so now the Q is 4100, 5200 or 6000? Since I'd be bolting up to the FR frame (assuming I don't over load my RPod) any would work.  My document (sticker) says its a 4500 (?) lb trailer ... So 5200 seem's like a good choice. Old axle was rated at 3500 - how did FR get away with that?



1000 pound tongue weight???Wink


Posted By: Budward
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2014 at 9:48am
Originally posted by Bill-GA

Budward,  are you there?

I could really use some info on the new axle you got .... Thanks,  Bill


Dexter does not sell axles by part number-    you have to give them the specs to order one.
IOW they require certain measurements to make one- this is all detailed on their site.
If your axle currently is a Dexter you can contact them with the serial number and they can supply those specs to you.   Of course you need to order the higher capacity with your old measurements.



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2014 179
Towed by a 2015 Ford Transit Diesel
Supervised by a German/Aussie mix and a Labradoodle!


Posted By: Budward
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2014 at 9:50am
Originally posted by Bill-GA

Originally posted by Budward

Forest River cheaps out and uses an undersized axle IMO.

For about $1200 you can get a new appropriate axle and new higher rated tires and wheels that will stand up.


Can you provide the details of your $1200 solution... Who from ... What ... Approx cost?

Thanks, Bill



Uuuh...cost was $1200 as stated.  That was for new tires/wheels/axle.   Not labor as I did the labor.


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2014 179
Towed by a 2015 Ford Transit Diesel
Supervised by a German/Aussie mix and a Labradoodle!


Posted By: Budward
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2014 at 9:57am
Originally posted by kymooses

Originally posted by Budward

Forest River cheaps out and uses an undersized axle IMO.
Google "Forest River axle problems" sometime and see the hundreds of complaints about this.
I fixed mine- http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=5018&KW=axle&PN=4&title=179-axle-issues - http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=5018&KW=axle&PN=4&title=179-axle-issues

I just completed a 10,000 mile trip with no sign of axle bending which started showing up within 1000 miles on their original axle.



If you replace the original axle with the same thing, about $700 in parts it will happen again.  If you have an alignment shop bend it back it will happen again.
For about $1200 you can get a new appropriate axle and new higher rated tires and wheels that will stand up.

I plan on asking for the $1200 it cost me to do this right but expect that to be denied.
Sometime this winter I plan on reinstalling the original axle so a dealer can request a warranty replacement and we'll see where that goes.




What is your goal of putting the original axle back on?  Just to get a warrantied replacement of the same axle you already have replaced because you didn't like it?

Bit confused what you'd gain?  Wouldn't it just be the same axle that you took off?


Goal?  To get FR to admit they do not use a heavy enough axle.

It was not a case of "not liking" the axle- it is undersized for the application.

Once the dealer contacts them about warranty replacement as I said "we'll see where that goes".
If they agree to replace it I plan to ask for reimbursement instead-  will cost them the same either way.  If they refuse to compensate then yes, by all means they can send a new axle and pay labor to replace it.  I'll then test it to see if the same problem returns.




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2014 179
Towed by a 2015 Ford Transit Diesel
Supervised by a German/Aussie mix and a Labradoodle!


Posted By: kymooses
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2014 at 10:14am
Originally posted by Budward

Originally posted by kymooses

Originally posted by Budward

Forest River cheaps out and uses an undersized axle IMO.
Google "Forest River axle problems" sometime and see the hundreds of complaints about this.
I fixed mine- http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=5018&KW=axle&PN=4&title=179-axle-issues - http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=5018&KW=axle&PN=4&title=179-axle-issues

I just completed a 10,000 mile trip with no sign of axle bending which started showing up within 1000 miles on their original axle.



If you replace the original axle with the same thing, about $700 in parts it will happen again.  If you have an alignment shop bend it back it will happen again.
For about $1200 you can get a new appropriate axle and new higher rated tires and wheels that will stand up.

I plan on asking for the $1200 it cost me to do this right but expect that to be denied.
Sometime this winter I plan on reinstalling the original axle so a dealer can request a warranty replacement and we'll see where that goes.




What is your goal of putting the original axle back on?  Just to get a warrantied replacement of the same axle you already have replaced because you didn't like it?

Bit confused what you'd gain?  Wouldn't it just be the same axle that you took off?


Goal?  To get FR to admit they do not use a heavy enough axle.

It was not a case of "not liking" the axle- it is undersized for the application.

Once the dealer contacts them about warranty replacement as I said "we'll see where that goes".
If they agree to replace it I plan to ask for reimbursement instead-  will cost them the same either way.  If they refuse to compensate then yes, by all means they can send a new axle and pay labor to replace it.  I'll then test it to see if the same problem returns.



Will be interested to see what happens for you.


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