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Topic: Generators
Posted By: Alaskan RPoder
Subject: Generators
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2015 at 7:50pm
Anyone familiar with the Briggs and Stratton 3000 watt inverter generator. I'm thinking about purchasing one to run things when I'm dry camping. It's a pretty good price. 

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Alaskan RPoder



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Posted By: Luv2Q
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2015 at 8:32pm
Don't know if this is the one you're talking about, but there's one on Amazon for $1300.  For an additional $31, you get a Yamaha 2400.  An extra couple hundred gets a Yamaha 2800.  An extra 500 or so gets a Yamaha 3000.  Personally, I'd pay a little extra to get known reliability.  YMMV.  Smile

I've been researching these things for months.  Champion, Hyundai, Kipor etc, etc.  You'll find people who love 'em.  Then you keep looking and you find problems that show up.  You just don't see that with Honda or Yamaha.  Honda is probably the real Cadillac of the bunch, but you pay for it.  The good news is that people who have them get *years* of use out of them.  As I say, YMMV.

Hope this helps.  Good luck with whatever you go with.


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John & Teri
Tundra 5.7L V8 / RP 180
E2 WDH / Integrated controller (POS) replaced by Tekonsha P3


Posted By: funks
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2015 at 10:44pm
I don't know anything about the briggs and stratton but I do have two generators and I always like to take my honda 2000i over my other one because I not only get the power I want but the weight and noise is a lot less.  Smile
Good luck


Posted By: Tars Tarkas
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2015 at 12:42am
It may not be fair to get all these comments from people unfamiliar with the B&S gennie, but aside from known quality, the reason Yamaha and Honda cost more, and are worth it, is because of their noise level.  Quiet is worth a lot.  Compare dB levels when you compare prices.

I have a Yamaha 2400 that still starts with one easy pull every time after two years.

I highly recommend ethanol-free gas for small engines.

TT


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2010 176
FJ Cruiser


Posted By: funks
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2015 at 12:49am
I agree noise level really means  alot when it comes to generators.


Posted By: Alaskan RPoder
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2015 at 1:49am
Can you run your air conditioner unit with the 2400 watt Yamaha. 

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Alaskan RPoder


Posted By: furpod
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2015 at 8:48am
Originally posted by Alaskan RPoder

Can you run your air conditioner unit with the 2400 watt Yamaha. 


The Yamaha 2400isch is the smallest generator that RELIABLY starts the a/c.


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Posted By: chiman
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2015 at 10:14am
I just got my new Yamaha 2400 generator yesterday.  Unpacked it from the shipping box.  Put oil in it and gas.  90% of the reviews I read before buying it said it started with one pull right out of the crate.  Thought this might be some BS but low and behold it did start right up on the first pull!  Ran it for a while and then hooked up my 178 cord and tried the air conditioner and the Yamaha ran it fine.

In my opinion, if you want quiet and a generator that will run the air conditioner and is still somewhat compact, the Yamaha 2400 is the way to go.  It is a little heavy (75 lbs) is not cheap (paid $1300 for mine) but so far it is worth the price.
Cheers


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2017 180 "Frog" towed by 2017 Toyota Tacoma with co-pilot "Willow" a 80 lb Labradoodle


Posted By: marspball
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2015 at 1:09pm
I bought a Boliy 3000w generator for $1000 (http://www.bottomlinetrading.com/BOLIY.html).

It's very quiet, lightweight, easy to operate and dependable. And best of all, it runs my air conditioner and fridge at the same time (have to turn off the battery charger though, which is not a big deal).


Posted By: techntrek
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2015 at 4:15pm
Additional info.  When shopping for gensets you need to know there are 2 classes of generators.  One is the old-style contractor screamers that run at 3600 rpm all the time, and rarely have noise attenuation.  They are usually just called a "generator".  The other type is the newer "inverter-generator".  They have the ability to idle down when there is a lower load, and usually run lower than 3000 rpm even at full load.  In addition there are other steps taken to lower the noise level even more.  Just about the quietest one on the market is the Honda EU3000is.  Even the smaller models are slightly louder.

Other than noise, there are big differences in fuel consumption.  With a typical load, an inverter-generator will last roughly 8-10 times longer on a given quantity of gas.  My Honda EU3000is burns 0.13 gallons/hour on average running most of my house (all 120 volt loads), and about the same running the pod.  I used to have the Yamaha EF2400is and it burned 0.2 gallons/hr running my pod (fan on low, A/C compressor cycling).

Also keep an eye on the fuel tank size and fuel pump.  The reason I switched to the Honda, even though I loved my Yamaha, is the Yamaha only lasted me 8 hours of run time, and since it doesn't have a fuel pump it is difficult to add an external fuel tank.  My Honda lasts about 24 hours and I believe up to the 3000 watt model (and below) they all have fuel pumps so it is easy to add more run time.

Finally keep in mind that a generator loses 3.5% of its rating per 1000 feet above sea level, PLUS it loses 1% for each 10 F degrees above 60 F.  So if it is 90 F and you are at 4000 feet, you must derate your genset by 17%!


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Doug ~ '10 171 (2009-2015) ~ 2008 Salem ~ http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1723 - Pod instruction manual


Posted By: techntrek
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2015 at 4:47pm
Added to the pod manual.  

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Doug ~ '10 171 (2009-2015) ~ 2008 Salem ~ http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1723 - Pod instruction manual


Posted By: chiman
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2015 at 11:10am
The Honda 3000 is a good one just like all Honda generators are very good.

However, the Honda 3000 is too heavy for my needs.  With oil and gas in it you are looking at around 140 lbs which is way too heavy for me to lift out of a truck bed. 

I chose the Yamaha 2400 for low noise level, will run my air conditioner and weighs in at around 78 lbs with gas and oil.  Weight level was very important to me as I can handle the 78 lbs but no way could I handle almost twice that weight for the Honda 3000.

The Boliy 3000 looked very interesting when I was doing my research on generators.  With gas and oil it would come in around the same weight as the Yamaha 2400.  Almost pulled the trigger and bought one instead of the Yamaha.  However, I decided I did not need the extra 600 watts for my usage.  They look well built, but the Yamaha is built like a tank.  I have several friends that have the Yamaha 2400 and a couple of them run the hell out of them with no problems after two years of hard usage.

Any way you look at it, you cannot go wrong with a Honda, a Yamaha, and although not well known yet, the Boliy 3000 looks like a winner.  Would like to hear how you liked it after several months of usage.

Cheers


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2017 180 "Frog" towed by 2017 Toyota Tacoma with co-pilot "Willow" a 80 lb Labradoodle


Posted By: ToolmanJohn
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2015 at 11:39am
Originally posted by Alaskan RPoder

Can you run your air conditioner unit with the 2400 watt Yamaha. 

It will,  BUT you MIGHT (not sure about 2400 watts) have to disconnect your battery from the charger before trying.

The first thing your converter-charger will do when plugged into 120 VAC is to try and charge the battery, even if it is alreadyy fully charged. This will use some of your genny wattage. If you try and start and run your A/C at the time it is doing this, it will likely be too much for the genny to handle.

I can start and run my A/C (13,500 btu) reliably with my Honda EU2000i , but ONLY if I shut off my battery disconnects FIRST. I can alos run my microwave (twice since I have had it, so not often) but only if the battery disconnect is off.




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2017 ATC 7X20 Custom Toy Hauler
2013 R-Pod 177 (SOLD)
2013 VW Touareg TDI


Posted By: marwayne
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2015 at 11:45am
I never shut my batteries of when we use the microwave never had a problem in 4 years. ( Honda 2000i )


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If you want something done right, do it yourself.
2011 RP172, 2016 Tundra 5.7 Litre, Ltd.




Posted By: techntrek
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2015 at 5:00pm
I just added additional information to one of my earlier posts, copied below.  If you often travel to higher altitudes and/or where it gets hot, you may want to opt for a 3000 over a 2400 watt model...

Keep in mind that a generator loses 3.5% of its rating per 1000 feet above sea level, PLUS it loses 1% for each 10 F degrees above 60 F.  So if it is 90 F (32 C) and you are at 4000 feet (1200 m), you must derate your genset by 17%!  The Yamaha EF2400 is now only good for 2000 watts (surge) and 1650 watts continuous.


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Doug ~ '10 171 (2009-2015) ~ 2008 Salem ~ http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1723 - Pod instruction manual


Posted By: Luv2Q
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2015 at 7:54pm
Originally posted by techntrek

<.. Snipped to here: .. >

Keep in mind that a generator loses 3.5% of its rating per 1000 feet above sea level, PLUS it loses 1% for each 10 F degrees above 60 F.  So if it is 90 F (32 C) and you are at 4000 feet (1200 m), you must derate your genset by 17%!  The Yamaha EF2400 is now only good for 2000 watts (surge) and 1650 watts continuous.

Will installing a high altitude jet minimize the power loss?


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John & Teri
Tundra 5.7L V8 / RP 180
E2 WDH / Integrated controller (POS) replaced by Tekonsha P3


Posted By: techntrek
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2015 at 8:41pm
Originally posted by chiman

...
However, the Honda 3000 is too heavy for my needs.  With oil and gas in it you are looking at around 140 lbs which is way too heavy for me to lift out of a truck bed.  ...

At first I felt this was a negative, and it is when I'm loading/unloading it (with my daughter who helps me).  But I realized once it is in place on my cargo tray that also means nobody else is going to walk away with it by themselves.  Especially since I've removed the handles.  Another way to look at the weight problem.


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Doug ~ '10 171 (2009-2015) ~ 2008 Salem ~ http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1723 - Pod instruction manual


Posted By: techntrek
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2015 at 9:06pm
Originally posted by Luv2Q

 
Will installing a high altitude jet minimize the power loss?

No, the loss of power is a function of the lowered oxygen content.  The high altitude jets lean out the fuel so the amount of fuel injected matches the amount of fuel that can actually be burned.  If you run with a lower altitude jet you end up running too rich so you waste some fuel, and long-term risk carbon buildup.  Not a big deal short-term, like if you normally run below 3000 feet but take a 2 week trip bouncing around the Rockies, 3000 to 5000 to 7000 feet from night to night.  Not worth changing out the jet in that case.

Note that you should never run a high altitude jet at a low altitude.  Fuel has a secondary function as a cooling agent and you'll burn you engine up running it too lean.


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Doug ~ '10 171 (2009-2015) ~ 2008 Salem ~ http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1723 - Pod instruction manual


Posted By: Luv2Q
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2015 at 11:20pm
Anyone with Yamaha experience ever try one of these?  It's an extended-run contraption that supposedly uses vacuum (since the Yamaha doesn't have a fuel pump).  It seems like it should work but then again ...

http://smile.amazon.com/dp/B00OI0VNCM/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=1FE17WEJHZESI&coliid=IIGDS9JSQREIW - http://smile.amazon.com/dp/B00OI0VNCM/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=1FE17WEJHZESI&coliid=IIGDS9JSQREIW


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John & Teri
Tundra 5.7L V8 / RP 180
E2 WDH / Integrated controller (POS) replaced by Tekonsha P3


Posted By: techntrek
Date Posted: 31 Mar 2015 at 1:02pm
Interesting, I hadn't seen that when I was researching it for my Yamaha.  However, I'm not convinced about their claim that no modification is necessary to the generator.  The factory fuel cap has an anti-vacuum valve on it (gray button if I remember right), and a fume recovery system including a canister (you see the holes for this system inside the fuel tank near the top).  So the system expects the air pocket in the tank to be at/near outside air pressure and not under a partial vacuum - but adding this system will now do that.
 
It is one of those things where I'd want to see it in action or get a creditable report from someone before I bought it.


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Doug ~ '10 171 (2009-2015) ~ 2008 Salem ~ http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1723 - Pod instruction manual


Posted By: Luv2Q
Date Posted: 31 Mar 2015 at 2:34pm
Originally posted by techntrek

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It is one of those things where I'd want to see it in action or get a creditable report from someone before I bought it.

Ditto.  Since there are no reviews on Amazon, I was hoping someone here had tried it out.  I suppose the worst-case scenario is that it works only as a gravity-fed system.

Thanks, Doug.


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John & Teri
Tundra 5.7L V8 / RP 180
E2 WDH / Integrated controller (POS) replaced by Tekonsha P3


Posted By: techntrek
Date Posted: 31 Mar 2015 at 9:23pm
I don't think you can do gravity feed due to the vapor recovery system.  You would fill the factory tank to the top, which would then flood the vapor system.

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Doug ~ '10 171 (2009-2015) ~ 2008 Salem ~ http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1723 - Pod instruction manual


Posted By: furpod
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2015 at 7:51am
You could IF you were draining from a closed air tight container, and IF the line into the genny's tank is extended below the level of the vapor system intake. Would work like a water cooler bottle. 

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Posted By: techntrek
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2015 at 10:18am
Ok, I can picture the 2nd part, but wouldn't the extended tank need to be vented, otherwise you would end up with a vacuum lock.

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Doug ~ '10 171 (2009-2015) ~ 2008 Salem ~ http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1723 - Pod instruction manual


Posted By: furpod
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2015 at 1:21pm
Nope, once the level inside the "lower tank" drops below the end of the inlet, it allows air UP the hose/connector, and into the upper tank, once equalized, fuel would flow down.. repeat until fuel level in lower tank is again above the inlet point of the hose.

I use a 10 gallon aquarium as a holding tank for the top off water of our reef tank. Water parameters are very strict when dealing with live coral. In the winter our evaporation rate can approach 2 gallons a day. When we need to be gone for a week or longer, I place a extra, full, 5 gallon jug in a holder I made mounted to the top of the 10 gallon tank.. as the top off pump runs as needed, when the level in the 10 gallon drops bellow the opening of the 5 gallon.. bloopbloopbloop.. tops itself off. During the summer, when the evaporation rate drops dramatically, it may take 3 weeks or longer between needing to refill..


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Posted By: techntrek
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2015 at 1:48pm
Interesting.  Ok, I can picture that in my head.

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Doug ~ '10 171 (2009-2015) ~ 2008 Salem ~ http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1723 - Pod instruction manual


Posted By: furpod
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2015 at 2:25pm
Now, I don't think this is how this system works.. but it is a method a person could try..

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Posted By: jstoy
Date Posted: 27 May 2015 at 6:50pm
Has anyone have or considered the Westinghouse 2200 w generator?  It looks like it could recharge the battery and run a space heater.   Here is the homedepot link  http://www.homedepot.com/p/Westinghouse-2200-Watt-Gasoline-Powered-Digital-Inverter-Generator-with-Parallel-Capabilities-WH2000iXLT/205746116cm_mmc=Shopping%7CBase&gclid=CI78heyA48UCFZaQHwodAbYAJw&gclsrc=aw.ds


Posted By: Pooterpod
Date Posted: 27 May 2015 at 9:30pm


Originally posted by techntrek



Interesting.  Ok, I can picture that in my head.
I would try this if you can find a bolt on the block somewhere to bolt to. http://www.amazon.com/Genuine-Briggs-Stratton-808656-Fuel/dp/B002I1AI0Q
It works by engine vibration, my Vanguard 18 HP has one on my Walker mower. I had one go bad and when I replaced it, cranking the engine was enough to get fuel back to the engine.


Posted By: MDPaddlersPod
Date Posted: 20 Jul 2016 at 2:51pm
I have the Honda 3000is and couldn't be happier with it. I can run any and everything at the same time. My AC will run on the ECO (low power) switch after initial start-up.

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MDPaddlersPod
2017 RPod 179
2002 Silverado1500


Posted By: JayTizzoe
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2017 at 9:13am
Question for your regarding this:
I am going to dry camp this weekend and wanted to use the fridge on propane and the AC to sleep at night. I have a 2017 RPOD179. I am not an electrical specialist by any means so bare with me.
If I have the fridge running on Propane for three days will that kill the battery?
ALso, if I use a honda 2200 generator for the AC, do I just connect that power cord that I got with my RPOD(with the adapter of course) right to the generator to run the AC? Also, when this is connected, will it recharge my battery automatically? Thank you all for your help.
-John Torrey


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John and Kari T.
2017 RPOD 179
2017 Chevrolet Silverado 1500


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2017 at 9:27am
Originally posted by JayTizzoe

If I have the fridge running on Propane for three days will that kill the battery?
You can run the fridge on propane several days on propane. The battery draw in this mode is very low. Battery life would be more dependent on what other things you are running on battery at the time.
Originally posted by JayTizzoe

Also, if I use a honda 2200 generator for the AC, do I just connect that power cord that I got with my RPOD(with the adapter of course) right to the generator to run the AC? Also, when this is connected, will it recharge my battery automatically? Thank you all for your help.
The 2.2KW will be "just enough" to run your AC, with not a lot left over. Charging the battery will take another couple hundred watts. I might put a Kill-a-watt on the outlet to see how much power each of your devices uses.


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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2017 at 4:28pm
JayTizzoe,

With the converter CB ON, and generator connected to Pod. The charging circuit will charge your battery. Posts have indicated some issues with 2Ks and running charge circuit and AC. You need to check yourself. Plug your Pod into the genset - with Converter CB ON. Turn ON the AC, if it does not overload, you're good. If it does - Turn your Converter CB off - realize your Pod is now running 12 Volts from the battery, no recharge. Run your AC if required. When cool, turn your AC off and your Converter CB back on your genset will recharge your battery. You can also use your TV to recharge the Pod battery, hook it up to 7 pin connecter and start your TV. Your refer should be good for three days on propane. Smart power management is the key, use your resources. Happy Trails.

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Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."


Posted By: Rustler
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2017 at 6:08pm
Here is one thing to keep in mind if you are using something like the Progressive Industries http://www.amazon.com/Progressive-Industries-EMSHW30C-Surge-Protector/dp/B0050EGS5W - EMSHW30C surge protector - electrical management system. Such a system expects that it will be connected to a campground or home electrical system with the neutral bonded to the ground at the power company entrance panel. 

Many portable generators do not bond the ground to neutral since it is expected that the bonding will take place elsewhere. Thus when such a generator is connected to a camper the electrical management system will detect the open between ground and neutral and disconnect the generator from the camper. One way around this problem is to make a bonding connection by means of a 3-prong male extension cord plug. Just connect the ground to neutral with a short 14 gauge jumper with no other connections. Then this plug can be inserted into one of the duplex outlets on the generator, effectively bonding the ground to neutral at the generator set. The second outlet of the duplex pair is then used to connect to the camper. 

If you don't feel comfortable doing this, ask for help from a electrician or other knowledgable person. Mike Sokol has a http://noshockzone.org/generator-ground-neutral-bonding/ - discussion of this issue on his website. He also sells a plug like the one I described.


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Russ
2009 Toyota RAV4
V6 w/ tow package
2016 Rpod 171 HRE


Posted By: SDTrialer
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2017 at 6:39am
I can run the AC with a Honda e2000 but would run out of gas if it was left on all night. 


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2017 at 11:24am
I did some exploring, and found that R-pods "usually" use a converter from WFCO Industries. Ours has a model WF-8955, but yours may be different ( http://wfcoelectronics.com/product-category/power-centers/wf-8900-series/ - http://wfcoelectronics.com/product-category/power-centers/wf-8900-series/ ).

According to the specifications for that model, it can charge at 55 amps, which is way more than I expected. Doing a little napkin-calculation, that comes to around 800 watts of power if/when doing a bulk charge. The specifications say it pulls up to 940 watts, so there is some fudge in there.

However... This all tells me that if your AC unit is pulling 1500 watts or so, and your converter is pulling 940 watts, then you will be at a nominal 2440 watts. About 240 watts more than a 2.2KW can do. 

So I would say that a 3KW generator would probably be a wise choice.


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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2017 at 1:07pm
The wattage of the converter will depend on the state of battery charge. The 940 watts would be for a badly discharged battery. It would taper off once the battery was past the bulk charge stage. If it is just doing float charging, then the draw of the converter should be minimal.

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http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2017 at 1:27pm
Originally posted by StephenH

The wattage of the converter will depend on the state of battery charge. The 940 watts would be for a badly discharged battery. It would taper off once the battery was past the bulk charge stage. If it is just doing float charging, then the draw of the converter should be minimal.
Of the charge controllers I know, they will all go into bulk charge mode at startup. How long they stay there is dependent on the charge state of the batteries. If you are monitoring the voltage of the batteries, it will be "ramping up" to whatever the absorb voltage is.

During that time, the controller will be limited only by the maximum current it can put out (55 amps in the case of a WF-8955). Once the batteries increase resistance to a pre-determined point, the controller should drop to the absorb stage, which is no longer current limited, but is a pre-defined voltage. Once the controller has determined that the batteries have absorbed all they can (usually by monitoring the current flow at the absorb voltage), then the controller should drop to the float voltage. Float is more-or-less the "maintain" voltage that keeps the batteries happy.


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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: TheBum
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2017 at 1:30pm
Originally posted by SDTrialer


I can run the AC with a Honda e2000 but would run out of gas if it was left on all night. 


External gas tank:
https://smile.amazon.com/IPI-Industries-Breeze-Extended-Generator/dp/B002SWCUGK/ - https://smile.amazon.com/IPI-Industries-Breeze-Extended-Generator/dp/B002SWCUGK/

We use the dual-feed model with our tandem EU2000is.


Posted By: Rustler
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2017 at 1:42pm
Originally posted by StephenH

The wattage of the converter will depend on the state of battery charge. The 940 watts would be for a badly discharged battery. It would taper off once the battery was past the bulk charge stage. If it is just doing float charging, then the draw of the converter should be minimal.

Another thing to be aware of is that the converter is not 100% efficient. While it may be putting say 800 watts into a discharged battery, it may be drawing 900+ watts from the AC source. The difference is heat and other inefficiencies in the electronics.


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Russ
2009 Toyota RAV4
V6 w/ tow package
2016 Rpod 171 HRE


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2017 at 1:50pm
Originally posted by Rustler

Originally posted by StephenH

The wattage of the converter will depend on the state of battery charge. The 940 watts would be for a badly discharged battery. It would taper off once the battery was past the bulk charge stage. If it is just doing float charging, then the draw of the converter should be minimal.

Another thing to be aware of is that the converter is not 100% efficient. While it may be putting say 800 watts into a discharged battery, it may be drawing 900+ watts from the AC source. The difference is heat and other inefficiencies in the electronics.
I was noticing that the charge limit is at 55 amps, which pencils out to about 800 watts. Since the total power consumption is 940 watts, that makes the controller only about 85% efficient. Not wonderful in my opinion. I know of many controllers that can operate in the 95% efficient zone, which would put the total power in the 840-850 watt region. That would make about a 100 watt improvement in what you need to run it.

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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: TheBum
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2017 at 3:43pm
Originally posted by GlueGuy

I was noticing that the charge limit is at 55 amps, which pencils out to about 800 watts. Since the total power consumption is 940 watts, that makes the controller only about 85% efficient. Not wonderful in my opinion. I know of many controllers that can operate in the 95% efficient zone, which would put the total power in the 840-850 watt region. That would make about a 100 watt improvement in what you need to run it.


That's what you get when you go with the lowest bidder. :)


Posted By: mcarter
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2017 at 5:00pm
Just a comment - I'm with GlueGuy on what the charge circuit does at initial start up, if you have a volt gauge you can watch it operate. It takes it awhile to drop to the maintain level. That's why you have to disable it for some 2Ks to run the AC. It draws a significant amount. By the gauge, if the 120 is disabled, and enabled the charge circuit is at 13.6 volts, with a fully charged battery. In a period of time it drops to 13.1 volts.

I can't argue that a 3K will run the Pod with all amenities, but I can say that a 2K is about the limit of what I can move and lift with sensibility and my 2K will power the Pod with some creative power management.

Thanks.

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Mike Carter
2015 178
" I had the right to remain silent, I just didn't have the ability."


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2017 at 9:45pm
This is a classic charge cycle. I'm very familiar with it, as I've been using solar-power communications sites for a number of years. Below is how it's supposed to look. The charger will go into bulk mode at the beginning (the ramp up). This is when the controller is limited by the amount of current it can deliver. Once the battery is "bulked up", then the controller will go into absorb mode, where it is set to a specific voltage. During this period, the battery will absorb less and less current. Once the controller decides the battery is full, it will drop into float mode, and stay there as long as the power is on.


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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: Patriot Dave
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2017 at 1:19pm
Regarding when to start charging the batteries (percent of discharge, I know its posted on the Forum somewhere as I have seen it before.
At what percent of discharge or voltage do I NOT want to go below?

Thanks

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Dave & Joyce
Never Forget, In God We Trust; This Our National Motto.
Member; Patriot Guard Riders, Michigan Chapter
Retired; So Every Day is Saturday.... Except Sunday


Posted By: Patriot Dave
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2017 at 1:19pm
Regarding when to start charging the batteries (percent of discharge, I know its posted on the Forum somewhere as I have seen it before.
At what percent of discharge or voltage do I NOT want to go below? I have two 6volt Trojans T105

Thanks

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Dave & Joyce
Never Forget, In God We Trust; This Our National Motto.
Member; Patriot Guard Riders, Michigan Chapter
Retired; So Every Day is Saturday.... Except Sunday


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2017 at 8:04pm
The low point for batteries will vary according to the type, whether it's wet cell, AGM, or so-called "dry". Wet cells generally will tolerate less discharge than an AGM, and I'm not up to speed with the dry types. When the voltage on an AGM battery gets to about 11 volts, I call that 50% discharged, and it's about as low as you want to go. Lower, and you stand to do real damage to the battery.

However, the low point for a given battery should be provided by the manufacturer. Some of the systems I work with have a thing called "LVD", or Low Voltage Disconnect that will automatically disconnect the batteries when you reach that magic discharge point. I've seen some LVD add-on modules that you can add to a system to prevent damaging your batteries.


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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: funks
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2017 at 8:36pm
IT SOUNDS LOUD TO MEOuch


Posted By: funks
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2017 at 8:38pm
It sounds loud to meWink



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