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Topic: Quick How To: Installing BAL Hide-A-Spare
Posted By: ChetC
Subject: Quick How To: Installing BAL Hide-A-Spare
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2016 at 1:18pm
Just completed this and thought I would write out a couple quick notes to help anyone else who may want to do the same.

Model Installed:   https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00KPRBBRO/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 - BAL 28215 Hide-A-Spare Tire Storage - Recessed Mount   
I opted for this model as, quite frankly, it was the one available on Amazon.

Location:  
-Mounted in front of axel, as close to axel as possible, without physically moving any clamps, wires, gas lines, etc...

Key Notes:  
-You will need to purchase, at a minimum, eleven (11) #14 x 1 1/4" self tapping screws.  I bought a couple extra just in case I lost one or two.  Also, a silver Sharpie is really handy.

-Pull the telescoping bars apart and cut 8 3/4" off the end of the main carrier bars and 8 3/4" from the inside bars.  It is important that you cut the inside end of the smaller bars as you cannot lose the bolt holes.  You will be losing the little detent balls but that's ok as you're not going to pull the spare out from under the camper like the Incredible Hulk so the chances of you telescoping the bars so far they come apart is minimal.

-Place the mount so you are pulling the tire out to the passenger side so should you have a flat you're not working on the traffic side to retrieve the spare.

-This spare tire carrier does NOT require exact measurements to install.  Do not fret over 1/4" one way or the other, everything will be just fine.

Process:
-Using two clamps, clamp the anchor end plate to the inside of the frame (closest to the center of the camper) on the driver's side, as close to the axel as possible and as low on the frame as possible so that you can still install the 6 self tapping screws.  The bottom of my plate was approximately 7 1/2" from the floor of the camper.  This spare tire carrier will easily swing side to side to remove the spare, so you do not need to worry about hitting the fender on the camper or anything of that nature.

-Slide your bars back together, and place the carrier under the camper.  Using the provided bolts, mount the inside bars to the anchor plate.  Snug up the bolts but remember that you're not trying to crush the pipe, just hold it in place.  Spacers go between the bracket and the pipe.

-Remove the frame plate from the "active" side of the carrier.  You'll need it in a few.  Mount your spare tire to the carrier.  It's going to stay there, so you can do it right.  I also put the spare tire cover over top of the tire as well, just... well, just because I had it and hated to throw it away.

-Now, pick up the spare and position it like you're putting it away.  You'll feel the tire go against the floor of the camper, which is what you want.  That will keep it from jostling going down the highway.  Move the carrier side to side until the plate is square on the outside of the frame.  Hold it in place and mark the location with the silver Sharpie.  

-Put the spare carrier back on the ground and then clamp the frame plate to the outside of the frame using the outline you drew with the Sharpie as a guide.  You'll notice that you can only install 5 of the 7 screws as the lowest two are below the frame.  It's ok.  Don't worry.  Five screws are plenty to hold the spare in place (there are only six on the other side and #14 self tappers are stout).  Install the five self tapping screws, swing the tire up and secure.  That's it.  Done.  

Ground Clearance:
More than the fresh water tank.

Final Notes:
-Self tappers are run in using an impact driver, no marking and drilling necessary.

-The pipe is thicker than you think.  I used a cutoff wheel to cut it but it is easily doable with a hacksaw.  Just know it's going to take a little effort.

-This is a super easy process, provided you have the tools.  Don't be afraid to do it yourself.

Hope this helps.


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Former 2017 rPod 180 owner
Now in a 2019 Little Guy MAX
Full timer who logs more than 35,000 miles per year.



Replies:
Posted By: voisj
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2016 at 8:44pm
Just bought one and printed your instructions! I'll let you know how it goes.
rgds John



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John&Sue,SLO,CA
2016 180 HRE, 2013 F150 Eco Boost
 


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2016 at 8:49pm
When I installed mine, I re-drilled the holes for the detent springs and pins. On my 179, I installed it between the steps and the cross-bar for the rear hitch. There was plenty of room there with no tanks or other equipment in the way. A picture is in my mods.

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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: voisj
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2016 at 10:01pm
Just finished, took 1 hour, thanks for the helpful info!
 I only had  1 problem, and that was the tire was pushing so hard against the floor I could not get it up high enough to latch, and had to lower the first bracket just as you described the mounting of the second one. It takes some force but works now. Maybe the 15" hood river mud and snow tires are wider? 
Thanks again! John 


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John&Sue,SLO,CA
2016 180 HRE, 2013 F150 Eco Boost
 


Posted By: ChetC
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2016 at 3:59pm
Originally posted by voisj

Just finished, took 1 hour, thanks for the helpful info!
 I only had  1 problem, and that was the tire was pushing so hard against the floor I could not get it up high enough to latch, and had to lower the first bracket just as you described the mounting of the second one. It takes some force but works now. Maybe the 15" hood river mud and snow tires are wider? 
Thanks again! John 

Ahh!  Mine is not a Hood River edition, so you are no doubt correct on the tire width difference.  I wouldn't worry about it pushing up on the floor of the camper as it will do nothing but offer support to the center of the floor, which has a little give anyway.  Glad it helped!


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Former 2017 rPod 180 owner
Now in a 2019 Little Guy MAX
Full timer who logs more than 35,000 miles per year.


Posted By: M0tl3y
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2016 at 7:28pm
Originally posted by voisj

Just finished, took 1 hour, thanks for the helpful info!
 I only had  1 problem, and that was the tire was pushing so hard against the floor I could not get it up high enough to latch, and had to lower the first bracket just as you described the mounting of the second one. It takes some force but works now. Maybe the 15" hood river mud and snow tires are wider? 
Thanks again! John 

I had the same issue with mine, I just let some of the air out of the tire which allowed it to compress a bit and makes a nice snug fit so I know it's not going anywhere. I carry a tire pump anyway so I can add air back when the time comes.


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The 178 club


Posted By: POD WE R
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2017 at 9:50pm
voisj: when you lowered the first bracket, what was the final measurement from the floor to the top of the plate that fits against the frame. How many screws were you able to install on that plate?


Thanks  





POD WE R


Posted By: voisj
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2017 at 3:34pm
POD WE R,
2 1/4" from floor to top of bracket, and the two lowest outside holes are below the frame, I still got 6 screws into the frame.
rgds John


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http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=9426&title=slopod-180-mods-johnsue - SLOPODMODS
John&Sue,SLO,CA
2016 180 HRE, 2013 F150 Eco Boost
 


Posted By: Dromsie
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2017 at 5:55pm
I just did this mod to my 182G HRE.  I had to have a friend weld a 2" extension onto the far side of the system (the plate that the poles run through) because I couldn't get the holes to line up with the frame without the tire pushing hard against the floor.  That plate is only 6" from the bottom of the tube to the top of the plate, while the other side is 8" from bottom of the tube to the top of the plate -- I was able to capture the top 3 holes in that plate. 


Posted By: POD WE R
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2017 at 8:43pm
Thanks so much John. Hope to see you in AZ sometime.

Eddie


Posted By: POD WE R
Date Posted: 22 Mar 2017 at 10:38pm
Got ready to install the roadside plate and found a propane fitting right where I wanted to screw it to the frame. How far foward of the axle mount did you install yours. What is the  measurement from the fresh water tank.



Eddie & Marilyn
2017 R Pod 180
Arizona


Posted By: voisj
Date Posted: 23 Mar 2017 at 1:59am
Eddie,
My propane tee is 28" back from the water tank, I mounted the bracket 14" back from the water tank. and 3" in front of the tee.
rgds John


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John&Sue,SLO,CA
2016 180 HRE, 2013 F150 Eco Boost
 


Posted By: POD WE R
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2017 at 6:30pm
Thanks everyone who helped with this mod. I got the carrier installed and it looks good.













Eddie & Marilyn
2017  180 HRE
Arizona


Posted By: Dromsie
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2017 at 8:17pm
Pics?


Posted By: AZ Pete
Date Posted: 25 Dec 2017 at 8:19am
Just received our BAL Hide a Spare (less than $70 from WalMart).  Install per your guidance in the next few weeks.  Thanks to you pioneers for the guidance.


Posted By: voisj
Date Posted: 25 Dec 2017 at 12:20pm
Here's mine

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John&Sue,SLO,CA
2016 180 HRE, 2013 F150 Eco Boost
 


Posted By: Presitla99
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2018 at 5:24am
I have a 2018 180 Rpod and am considering the BAL Hide-a-Spare.
1. Do any of you who have completed this install have any regrets or alternative suggestions?
2. I am not certain which model BAL to purchase.  My choices are in the attached photo.  Advice, please.

Thanks to all.



Posted By: crw8sr
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2018 at 8:58am
I used the 28215 on our 190.  Had to cut about 8" off it to install it.  Ours is mounted behind the tires.  I added a platform to the end of it and store our non-potable water hose there.  

Crawl under yours and check the area that you want to mount it.  Look for obstructions, wires, etc.

Not difficult to install, took about an hour.

I think it's better there than bouncing around on the back.

Go for it and good luck!


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Chuck & Lyn
Izzy, Morkie. RIP
Zoe Joy & Gracie, Yorkie
2018 R Pod 190   
2019 Traverse

In moments of adversity;when life's a total wreck, I think of those worse off than me and really feel like heck.


Posted By: voisj
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2018 at 10:08am
I also used the 28215 and cut 8" off it . I installed it using CHETC 'S instructions.
Only due to the hood river tire, I had to mount the both brackets lower. It still pushes against the floor pretty tight, But I think that help supports the floor.....





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http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=9426&title=slopod-180-mods-johnsue - SLOPODMODS
John&Sue,SLO,CA
2016 180 HRE, 2013 F150 Eco Boost
 


Posted By: Subzilla
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2018 at 11:38am
Second to what voisj said....had to lower both brackets with new holes and even deflate the tire to get it secured.  Maybe my spare is wider...don't know.   But I now like it.....like having the spare out of sight.

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Mark
Concord, NC
2017 RP 179 "Podzilla"
2011 Silverado 1500 4X4


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2018 at 12:01pm
I started poking around and found that the 28215 & 28216 are being discontinued (or are in the process of being discontinued). The new versions are the 28217 (in place of the 28215), and 28218 (in place of the 28216).

The difference is how low the tire ends up being mounted. The 28217 can mount the tire "snug" up against the belly of the R-pod. The 28218 will drop it down quite a bit more. It seems from what others have stated that the 28215/28217 needs to be adjusted somewhat to accommodate the width of the tire. I think the 28216/28218 will end up with the tire a "lot" lower (several inches it seems).

http://norcoind.com/bal/products/consumer/specialty_products/hide-a-spare.shtml - This link shows the differences with a couple of pictures.


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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: Subzilla
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2018 at 12:41pm
Just be careful of putting too low under the trailer at the rear end....I could see some scraping occurring if going through a steep driveway.  Maybe the 28217 puts it in a good spot...not too tight but not too low.   Their "identifier" sheet has the dimensions.  Might want to do some measuring.  
 


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Mark
Concord, NC
2017 RP 179 "Podzilla"
2011 Silverado 1500 4X4


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2018 at 3:52pm
Originally posted by Subzilla

Just be careful of putting too low under the trailer at the rear end....I could see some scraping occurring if going through a steep driveway.  Maybe the 28217 puts it in a good spot...not too tight but not too low.   Their "identifier" sheet has the dimensions.  Might want to do some measuring.
I talked to a tech at BAL, and the main difference between the 28215 and 28217 is that the 28217 is designed to fit into the channel in an I-beam style frame. Either will work, but the 28217 will come "out" whatever dimension they allowed for the I-beam. Both have roughly the same drop.

Based on measurements I took, the R-pod frame is 4" tall, to allow you to tuck the tire up by that amount. Our HRE spare tire is roughly 9" wide, so it will have to hang down by about 5" plus the thickness of the Hide-a-spare. As-built the 28215/28217 provides 6.75" of space to the top of the mountain bracket. That means the top of the bracket is going to be mounted down ~~ 2.25" on the frame to allow enough space for the spare.

The 28216/28218 provides an additional 6.75" of space for the tire (total of 13.5" of space for the spare). Certainly enough space, but about 4.5" more than we would need.


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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: Presitla99
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2018 at 6:03pm
Thanks to all for the detailed info and responses.  I am humbled by your efforts.  The 28215 is my choice but hard to find.


Posted By: Subzilla
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2018 at 6:47am
GlueGuy, I hope you have less frustration than I did installing it.  I'm certainly not trying to rain on anyone's parade here.......I thought I had done the same forethought as I'm usually pretty meticulous with such projects.  Not sure where I went wrong.  After precise measuring (or so I thought), I installed the mounting brackets where I thought they should be.  Threw the tire in place and could not even come close to getting the tire carrier in proper place.  I had to move BOTH mounting brackets down as low as I could get them PLUS reduce tire pressure to less than 10 pounds to give it some flex and I still had to slightly force the carrier in place.  

If the top of your bracket goes 2.25" down, I wonder where that puts the mounting holes.  Mine were at the bottom of the frame.  Not sure why mine was such a challenge.  Please report back when you install yours and let us know how it goes.  I will go home and do some measurements this weekend and try to remember to post them to compare with your numbers.    Have a good day!
Mark


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Mark
Concord, NC
2017 RP 179 "Podzilla"
2011 Silverado 1500 4X4


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2018 at 9:27am
Subzilla, how wide is your spare tire? I have to admit I just eyeballed it a bit (with a tape measure), as it's still attached to the standard rear-mount. If your tire is closer to 10", then it would start getting real close as to whether it would work or not.


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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: AZ Pete
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2018 at 2:12pm
when I installed mine (Hood River edition R180).  My measurements showed that the road side bracket would benefit from an extension.  So I had a piece of 1/8" plate stitched to it, and the curb side mount as well.  I also wanted to mount the road side mount on the outside of the frame, to make it easier to drill and bolt.  So I made a small bracket to relocate the gas "T" 2 inches inside the frame.  


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2018 at 8:44pm
I finally got a round tuit, and ordered a Hide-a-Spare. Started to plan this thing out, and my first dilemma is curb side or street side?

Curb side can be an issue because, well, curbs. If you're parked next to a curb, you're not going to be able to drop the extension.

Street side can be an issue because, well, streets. I'd hate to have to pull the spare out into the street. People might be going by with trucks and trailers!

I bet if I put it up for a vote, we'd get a 50/50 split on which side to put the darn thing.

I did notice that the Bal videos show it on the street side.


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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2018 at 9:21pm
Curb side for safety's sake! If you are on the shoulder, you can pull it out safely on the curb side. Not so on the street side unless you have a very wide shoulder. If you look at the BAL video, it is mounted next to the steps. That confirms that it is the curb side.

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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2018 at 11:24am
Originally posted by StephenH

Curb side for safety's sake! If you are on the shoulder, you can pull it out safely on the curb side. Not so on the street side unless you have a very wide shoulder. If you look at the BAL video, it is mounted next to the steps. That confirms that it is the curb side.
Looking at this last night, there is only one place where this thing will work toward the back of the R-pod. I'm not certain that it would work on the curb side, as there doesn't appear to be enough room between the steps and the rear stabilizer. We have a HRE, and the tire is kind of large.


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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2018 at 4:05pm
Remember that the tire gets lowered as well as getting pulled out. There will be room. I had one mounted on our RP179. The HR's 15" wheel isn't that much bigger than the 14" wheels on ours. I don't have it mounted now because I used that space for my ladder and sewage hose holders and put the tire on its original mount. It was okay when I had it there. Like you, I was concerned about space, but realized that it was a non-issue as soon as I saw that lowering it would give plenty of clearance for the stabilizer.

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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2018 at 5:16pm
Did you turn/rotate your rear stabilizers? In the back of our HRE, the rear stabilizers are mounted at a (roughly) 45 degree angle. They seem like they would seriously encroach on the space occupied by the hide-a-spare and spare tire.


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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2018 at 8:14pm
No, the midwest edition has the same layout for the stabilizers as the  HRE. When the BAL is mounted, the tire sits toward the center of the R-Pod. If the tire were square, it would be a problem. The stabilizers clear the tire because it is not near them when it is centered in the space between the steps and the crossbar that supports the original spare carrier.

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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 20 Jul 2018 at 8:22am
I will lay it out this weekend. The vertical space will be close. The tire is 9" wide. The frame is 4" tall, and the BAL allows 6-1/2" on one side and 6" on the other (so 10 to 10-1/2 inches). That means we "should" have 1 to 1-1/2" clearance for the tire.

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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: tony rpod 180
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2018 at 5:38pm
Angry i have a 2018 R pod 180 Hood River Edition and tried to install the spare tire rack.  The width of the 15" tires prevented the mounting of the locking bracket to the frame.  I needed at least 2 more inches to mount the bracket to the camper frame.  I didn't realize this until AFTER I cut both telescoping rods on the BAL rack so it would fit between the frame rails.  Now i'm stuck with a 35lb paper weight.

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GMC Canyon/RPoder


Posted By: crw8sr
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2018 at 6:02pm
Get creative and extend the attachment points with some metal plate.  

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Chuck & Lyn
Izzy, Morkie. RIP
Zoe Joy & Gracie, Yorkie
2018 R Pod 190   
2019 Traverse

In moments of adversity;when life's a total wreck, I think of those worse off than me and really feel like heck.


Posted By: AZ Pete
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2018 at 6:02pm
just take the mounting plates to a welding shop and have them extended about 2".  That is what I did to mount mine on our 180


Posted By: tony rpod 180
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2018 at 7:13pm
We thought about that, however we decided the rack would hang too close to the ground for our comfort.

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GMC Canyon/RPoder


Posted By: AZ Pete
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2018 at 7:29pm
It still has plenty of ground clearance



Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2018 at 9:20pm
If you look at it, it does not hang below the level of the steps (on our 179 it didn't). Anything that would take out the BAL Hide-A-Spare would also likely take out the steps with it.

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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: tony rpod 180
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2018 at 9:02am
Wow! You are right, thanks everybody!

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GMC Canyon/RPoder


Posted By: voisj
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2018 at 11:33am
Originally posted by tony rpod 180

We thought about that, however we decided the rack would hang too close to the ground for our comfort.

Here is mine on the 180. It sits just in front of the axle and hangs no lower than the axle.You can see I lowered both brackets so the hood river tire would fit between the floor and the carrier. If your hitting this stuff on anything your trying pretty hard. On the 180 you also get the added benefit of supporting the floor in the pod, I have heard of these sagging on some pods.


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John&Sue,SLO,CA
2016 180 HRE, 2013 F150 Eco Boost
 


Posted By: Tibof
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2020 at 12:27pm
So, for a HRE, which model would be best?  That is, give the most mounting flexibility.  The 217 or 218. This is for a 2015 HRE.  Or put another way, does the 218 have to hang so low or could it be modified?  I assume the mounting bracket could be cut to give a custom fit for the tire. Or does 217 give the mounting plates plenty of bolting surface with proper tire fit?

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2015 Pod Hood River Edition
2012 Tacoma Crew Cab 4 Liter


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2020 at 6:38pm
Originally posted by Tibof

So, for a HRE, which model would be best?  That is, give the most mounting flexibility.  The 217 or 218. This is for a 2015 HRE.  Or put another way, does the 218 have to hang so low or could it be modified?  I assume the mounting bracket could be cut to give a custom fit for the tire. Or does 217 give the mounting plates plenty of bolting surface with proper tire fit?
The 217 is probably your best bet. The recess between frame members is only about 4", so he spare will hang down a bit. We ended up drilling at almost the very bottom of the frame in order to make enough clearance for the spare tire.


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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: Tibof
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2020 at 10:39am
Many thanks for your information.

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2015 Pod Hood River Edition
2012 Tacoma Crew Cab 4 Liter


Posted By: Tibof
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2020 at 1:09pm
Has anyone used or considered the BAL Retract-A-Spare? 



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2015 Pod Hood River Edition
2012 Tacoma Crew Cab 4 Liter



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