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Topic: Sway Bars Needed?
Posted By: johnandwendee
Subject: Sway Bars Needed?
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2014 at 8:41am
We are looking at a 179. Will we need sway bars? We have towed a 5th wheel before but towing a "trailer" will be different.

Thanks
John

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John and Wendee
Bracebridge, Ontario
Canada



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Posted By: CharlieM
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2014 at 9:13am
Need more info. What will you tow it with? Compared to your 5er experience, sway is a bigger problem with bumper towing due to the geometry. A bigger concern may be weight distribution. Generally I recommend weight distribution coupled with sway control. Then you've got the best of all worlds.

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Charlie
Northern Colorado
OLD: 2013 RP-172, 2010 Honda Pilot 3.5L 4WD
PRESENT: 2014 Camplite 21RBS, 2013 Supercharged Tacoma 4L V6 4WD


Posted By: johnandwendee
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2014 at 9:17am
Thanks Charlie.  We have not yet chosen a tow vehicle.  We are hoping for a V6 SUV.  Please tell me more about weight disttibution. 

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John and Wendee
Bracebridge, Ontario
Canada


Posted By: Tars Tarkas
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2014 at 9:19am
I've never used sway bars just so you understand my perspective on this.

There are at least several variables involved in whether you might need sway bars.  Your tow vehicle, your trailer, the height of your hitch, the weight of trailer, the balance of the weight front to back, and the tongue weight at least.  That's before you consider road conditions, like driving down hill in a cross wind and being passed by a giant tractor trailer.

I do fine without sway bars with my 176 pulled by a Toyota FJ Cruiser.  Your situation will be different.  The smaller and/or shorter your tow vehicle, generally, the more likely you are to want sway bars.

Sway bars can be an important safety consideration.  Arguably, at least, they are somewhat inconvenient and they add weight.  You can try towing without them and see how you do.  If you need them, you can add them later.  Or, you can go with the philosophy that it's safer to have them and not need them than to need them and not have them. 

It's not necessary to have a weight distributing hitch to have sway bars, but they often go together.

TT


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2010 176
FJ Cruiser


Posted By: ron_whitt
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2014 at 9:46am
John, I also have an FJ, I only have a friction sway bar. Like TT said it all depends on your tv. With the sway bar I don't even feel the pod behind us. I have pulled the pod short distances without the sway bar and I could feel the difference pulling. The "only" time I've felt anything was when I was meeting a dump truck. Never when semi's, dump trucks, or buses pass us. When you go to back up you have to take the sway bar off.. Takes seconds to do that and your getting out to survey the land anyway....

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Ron & Shirley
2020 Tacoma
2012 177 rpod


Posted By: CharlieM
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2014 at 9:57am
Once again I find myself agreeing with Tars Tarkas. Weight distribution and sway control are complex subjects all wrapped up in the TT and TV combination. The Toyota FJ as a very capable TV and may get away with fewer helpers than a less capable SUV. So..........

I towed a RP172 with a 2010 Honda Pilot 3.5L V6. It was a 4WD rated at #4500 towing and #450 hitch weight. After much research I went with the Fastway E2 weight distribution hitch (WDH) with built in sway control. I've tried driving with and without the E2 connected and I'll never be without it. Neither will my wife! That said, WDH and sway control are separable and some will argue for one and not the other, but the combination is easy, available, and "why not".  Sway can be controlled with careful selection: maintain adequate tongue weight, minimize trailer weight behind the axle, maximize TV wheelbase, minimize distance from hitch ball to TV rear axle.

Unfortunately the same conditions that minimize sway also create the need for weight distribution. As the trailer tongue weight increases the bumper hitch tends to lower the TV rear and and raise the TV front end. This takes weight off the front wheels and decreases your ability to control and steer the rig. A very uncomfortable and dangerous condition. The solution is a WDH which shifts weight off the TV rear axle, back onto the TV front axle, and also to the trailer axle. Lots of engineer speak here but it works.

A search on this form and others for WDH/sway conntrol will keep you reading well into next week, pro and con. Do the research and  come back with your questions. That's why we're all here.





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Charlie
Northern Colorado
OLD: 2013 RP-172, 2010 Honda Pilot 3.5L 4WD
PRESENT: 2014 Camplite 21RBS, 2013 Supercharged Tacoma 4L V6 4WD


Posted By: Old Dingo&Mrs.Dingo
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2014 at 10:58am
Andersen makes a light weight (60#) WDH that provides both anti-sway and weight distribution. Because it uses weight induced friction on the ball, along with chains & urethane "shock absorbers", to provide control, it doesn't have to be removed when you back up. There are no bars to "pry" into position, just an adjustment with a 1/2" drive ratchet. It is also a little cheaper than most WDH systems. All FYI. %20 -
http://www.andersenhitches.com/Catalog/4-droprise-wd-kits.aspx

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Old Dingo and/or Mrs. Dingo
181G
2013 Jeep Grand Cherokee


Posted By: Boomertype
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2014 at 5:03pm
Sometimes with sway bars, they only save you that one time you need them most.  Three words - Conditions, Conditions, Conditions!


Posted By: Hairy Podders
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2014 at 6:10pm
We hauled our 2014 178 home a week ago in driving rain & 35 mph winds with our Wrangler Unlimited using a Blue Ox WDH with built in sway control. Comparing that experience to our Coleman Columbia popup camper is like night & day. I have hauled the 800 lb Coleman all over without WDH or swaybar. The 2642 lb Rpod was much more stable & easier to handle in the winds that we experienced than the Coleman in light winds in Iowa a couple of times.
Also, with the Blue Ox Hitch, you do not have to unhook anything to back into a camping spot. Also no annoying noises coming from the hitch when maneuvering tightly in gas stations.

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Darryl, Julie & Lindsey
Cooper & Libby- Devoted Canines
2014 RP178
2006 Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon


Posted By: techntrek
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2014 at 7:18pm
Conditions is correct.  I used to pull a popup which was suicide to pull w/o a sway bar, and tried all methods to reduce the problem.  When I got the pod I was very happy to see how well it pulled - stable and smooth.  I towed for some time w/o sway control.  Then one day I was towing in a heavy wind and experienced sway problems, and decided I should finally get it.  I figured I might as well get weight distribution at the same time.  When I changed my TV to something that doesn't need either I still found the ride comfort was much better when using the WDH so I still use it.

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Doug ~ '10 171 (2009-2015) ~ 2008 Salem ~ http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1723 - Pod instruction manual


Posted By: dsmiths
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2014 at 9:44pm
I tow with a simple friction bar anti sway bar. I have also towed 100 miles down the Interstate at speeds around 60 or 70 without any sway bar and never experienced a problem. I tow with a 08 Chevy Trail blazer and it has a long wheelbase and is a very stable platform. I guess its what you tow with and what you are comfortable with. I have never had any problem with sway, tuck or whipping motion period. I do put the single friction sway bar on most of the time. Tow with what you are comfortable with.

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Dane and Donna Smith
2011 RP-172
2008 Chevrolet Trailblazer 4X4
lift kit
prodigy wireless brake controller


Posted By: GrapeSoda
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2014 at 8:35am
Does anyone know of a sway bar that doesn't require any welding, drilling or tapping into the frame to install?


Posted By: CharlieM
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2014 at 9:40am
If you are looking for only sway control (no WDH) you can find a friction sway bar that clamps to the trailer frame, but you will have to get a sway control ball welded to the hitch itself somewhere. Several companies make these units. The easiest and most complete solution, completely bolt/clamp on with no drilling or welding is to go for the WDH plus sway control combination. The Fastway/Progress Mfg. E2 is an example, but others such as Blue Ox, Husky, EAZ-Lift, Reese and Andersen make competing products. 

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Charlie
Northern Colorado
OLD: 2013 RP-172, 2010 Honda Pilot 3.5L 4WD
PRESENT: 2014 Camplite 21RBS, 2013 Supercharged Tacoma 4L V6 4WD


Posted By: Hairy Podders
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2014 at 12:26pm
Charlie is right. Our Blue Ox WDH with sway control is completely bolt on. No welding or drilling required.

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Darryl, Julie & Lindsey
Cooper & Libby- Devoted Canines
2014 RP178
2006 Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon


Posted By: GrapeSoda
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2014 at 3:15pm
Maybe I should clarify.. I have an ezlift WDH but don't want to drill, tap, weld or otherwise invade the structure of the RPOD frame to install sway control.  I thought there would be some sort of clamp on type but I can't seem to find one.... bah


Posted By: techntrek
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2014 at 5:35pm
Originally posted by CharlieM

...but you will have to get a sway control ball welded to the hitch itself somewhere.  

The one we used with our popup had a plate that laid underneath the 2" ball, which had the smaller sway bar ball.  No welding.


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Doug ~ '10 171 (2009-2015) ~ 2008 Salem ~ http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=1723 - Pod instruction manual


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2021 at 7:50pm
If you don't like sway bars, look into the Hayes Sway-Master or the Tuson Sway control which uses GPS and gyroscopes to detect speed and sway conditions. If sway exists, the devices will activate the trailer's brakes (Hayes, both or Tuson, individually) to bring the trailer back into line. It is a good alternative to a sway bar if Weight Distribution and/or sway bars is not desired.

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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: Colt
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2021 at 8:31pm
Just so we all are unconfused and, unlike my brother, assume traditional stabilizer bars, perhaps properly called anti-body roll bars and often called anti-sway bars have no effect on trailer sway at all. He added heavy front and rear stabilizer bars to his Tundra's suspension because some trailer sway alarmed him. Then added a WDH with sway control that helped.

Trailer sway is an instability caused by the center of gravity of the trailer being too far to the rear. My 180 is very stable with 14% on the tongue, but I run a friction sway damper, just in case.

Just in case, turned out to be not flushing the black tank well enough. LOl!


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John
'16 R-Pod 180


Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2021 at 8:38pm
It isn't just too little tongue weight that causes sway. You can be properly loaded and have sufficient tongue weight and still encounter conditions that cause sway. I know. I've been there. That is why I got the Hayes Sway-Master which I use in conjunction with an Equal-i-zer hitch (belt and suspenders approach).

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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: Pod People
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2021 at 8:58pm
this topic has been covered many, many times.  The "search function" will give lots of responses.

My take is that a weight distribution hitch with integrated sway is the safest way to go.  It is not essential, but I am happy to spend the $$$ for safety and peace of mind.  I have towed 3 different R Pods with 3 different tow vehicles Chevy Astro, Honda Pilot and Ford Expedition EL) thousands of miles including 2 cross country(NC to Washington State) trips. All of those miles used an Equalizer 4 point wdh hitch system with built in sway control.

When roads are smooth and there are no sudden changes necessary, you probably don't need them unless you are dealing with weight/loading/balance issues.  However, when you have that blowout or the passenger side tire drops off the pavement edge or other sudden change, sway may suddenly becomes a BIG issue. Like any other form of insurance, you only need it when you least expect it.  Most of the time, if you don't have it the first time, you will have it next time and hope you don't need it.

I am sure that my Ford Expedition EL will tow without either wdh or anti-sway, but I will always use it.I think it gives me more stability and safety without being difficult to use.

Everyone has their own opinion and can justify it.
safe travels
Vann


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Vann & Laura 2015 RPod 179
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Posted By: StephenH
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2021 at 9:32pm
+1 big time.

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StephenH
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom,...

http://www.rpod-owners.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=7712 - ouR escaPOD mods
Former RPod 179
Current Cherokee Grey Wolf 24 JS


Posted By: lostagain
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2021 at 8:00am
+1 to Pod People.  Not only is a WDH safer, it also makes driving more comfortable and the ride smoother, especially when you have to cover a long distance.  

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Never leave footprints behind.
Fred & Maria Kearney
Sonoma 167RB
Our Pod 172
2019 Ford F-150 4x4 2.7 EcoBoost


Posted By: pedwards2932
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2021 at 1:39pm
I have the Hayes Sway-Master as well and it works great.  It activated this week on our trip in a spot where the was a large dip to the right in the road and it put the brakes on immediately as the trailer swayed with the dip.  I have noticed it working a few times when the winds were high.  My Escape has electronic sway control not sure that it helps any.


Posted By: pedwards2932
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2021 at 2:09pm
Found this on the Escape's Sway control:
When properly equipped, trailer sway control will use the sensors of the vehicle’s AdvanceTrac with RSC system to detect and attempt to mitigate trailer sway by applying brake force at individual wheels and, if necessary, by reducing engine power. No driver action is required.
I got the Hayes unit because it activates the TT brakes.


Posted By: Thomasandrews628
Date Posted: 06 May 2024 at 9:02am
My name is Tom and I recently bought a 2015 Rpod 176 camper,then I purchased a 2018 GMC Canyon SLE 3.6 8 speed,do I need a distribution/sway hitch for my combination?I don't travel very fast pulling anything anyway.Thanks for advise.

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TA


Posted By: GlueGuy
Date Posted: 06 May 2024 at 9:49am
It's never a bad idea to use a WDH. It transfers part of the tongue weight back to the front wheels. The degree to which it helps is driven by the weight ratio between the tow vehicle and the trailer. 

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bp
2017 R-Pod 179 Hood River
2015 Ford F150 SuperCrew 4WD 3.5L Ecoboost


Posted By: gpokluda
Date Posted: 06 May 2024 at 11:49am
Originally posted by Thomasandrews628

My name is Tom and I recently bought a 2015 Rpod 176 camper,then I purchased a 2018 GMC Canyon SLE 3.6 8 speed,do I need a distribution/sway hitch for my combination?I don't travel very fast pulling anything anyway.Thanks for advise.

I would highly recommend it. We towed a 179 with a short bed Nissan Frontier crew cab as well as a long bed Frontier crew cab. A WHD with built in sway such as a Fastway E2 offers both weight distribution and anti sway. Even towing slow, you will run into road and environmental conditions that will induce sway.


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Gpokluda
2017 Rpod 179(sold 2023)
2022 Escape 5.0TA
2022 Ford F150 4X4 3.5EB
Kawasaki KLR650


Posted By: jato
Date Posted: 06 May 2024 at 7:17pm
I ride on the other side of the fence on this issue when looking at the original, smaller rpods.  With the larger ones, especially the 2x axle yes, great idea and likely safer as well. 

In our case we have traveled with our 177 (fully loaded with 36 gallons H20- FW tank behind axle, weighs in at 2940 lbs.) for the past 13 years and over 44,000 miles, much of that going across the Midwest to get to the Rockies, and yes we have encountered huge cross winds in the process.  Our tow vehicles for the first 8 years were an '08 and '13 front wheel drive Explorer, the last 5 have been with a '95, '11, and '17 F-150.  All vehicles utilized a simple Curt friction bar and nothing else, no bad experiences or issues encountered and this is over all sorts of weather conditions such as blizzards, sleet, hail, heavy snow and rain, and cross winds in excess of 25 mph.  We keep the tongue weight just north of 11% at 340 lbs. which imho, makes a huge difference. 

A lot of problems have been encountered by those using WDH on the small trailers, the major one being the separation of front and side panels noted on the front of the trailer.  I have not seen this as an issue for those who only use a friction bar, though I am sure there have been some due to leakage issues.


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God's pod
'11 model 177
'17 Ford F-150 4WD 3.5 Ecoboost
Jim and Diane by beautiful Torch Lake
"...and you will know the Truth and the Truth will set you free."


Posted By: EchoGale
Date Posted: 10 May 2024 at 9:17am
Quick caveat though...weight distribution is not recommended with some tow vehicles.  My BMW x3 is, I have learned, a unibody and I can use only sway control. Thankfully, when I spent a bunch of money on a WDH/sway control system before I knew this, I bought the Andersen. When I did learn about the unibody restriction, I called Andersen. They told me I could still use my equipment because of the different way it accomplishes weight distribution and that, if I tightened the chains down a little less, I am effectively only using the sway control.

I already had the equipment and it was a couple of years old at that point so I don't have reason to not believe them....


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Julie


Posted By: gpokluda
Date Posted: 10 May 2024 at 10:57am
Originally posted by EchoGale

Quick caveat though...weight distribution is not recommended with some tow vehicles.  My BMW x3 is, I have learned, a unibody and I can use only sway control. Thankfully, when I spent a bunch of money on a WDH/sway control system before I knew this, I bought the Andersen. When I did learn about the unibody restriction, I called Andersen. They told me I could still use my equipment because of the different way it accomplishes weight distribution and that, if I tightened the chains down a little less, I am effectively only using the sway control.

I already had the equipment and it was a couple of years old at that point so I don't have reason to not believe them....

This is probably true for any WDH. You would just adjust to lessen the tension on the spring bars. That being said, you have added a bunch of weight that you would not need if you went with a simple ball hitch and friction sway bar. I know our E2 hitch alone was pretty heavy. Add the spring bars and hardware and my guess is there was easily 60-70lbs in the WDH alone.


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Gpokluda
2017 Rpod 179(sold 2023)
2022 Escape 5.0TA
2022 Ford F150 4X4 3.5EB
Kawasaki KLR650


Posted By: EchoGale
Date Posted: 14 May 2024 at 5:16pm
The reason I went with the Andersen to begin with was it weighs only about 40 but you're not wrong.

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Julie



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