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    Posted: 27 May 2019 at 8:16pm
And in its solid form [Kryptonite} it keeps Superman from pestering you while you're out camping.  He won't show up and want to change in your Pod.  Thumbs Up
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 May 2019 at 7:52pm
Wonder why no one has switched to krypton. The molecules are huge, and it's an inert gas. That's what SpaceX is using for their ion drive for Starlink. They chose krypton because it was less expensive than the alternative.

BTW - Congrats on getting your tires sorted out, in spite all of our editorial comments. Enjoy your trip!
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Since air is about 78% nitrogen, and I already have enough things to complicate my life, I think I'm going to continue to fill my tires with a mixture of 80% nitrogen and 20% oxygen, plus a little argon and increasing levels of CO2.  That way, if I ever fall off a bridge into a deep lake with our Pod, I can let the air out of the tires and have plenty of oxygen to keep me going until I can reach the surface.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 May 2019 at 6:27pm
Thanks everyone.  Found a tire dealer nearby, got the tires inflated and confirmed that the gauge I'm using is accurate.  good to go, first thing in the morning!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 May 2019 at 4:42pm
An old trailer tire (if maintained at 65 psi using air) would wind up holding only about 9% O2 eventually. At which point it would reach steady state and no longer lose O2 faster than N2. 

Now, an old tractor tire, being a much lower pressure tire, would not only hold a whole lot more air but  would reach steady state at a much higher % O2. If its maintained at 10 psi it would end up at about 14% O2. All ya gotta do is find a way to let only a little air out at a time so you don't become that boated corpse.Dead
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Rescue Dive Team Leader on surface to dive team under water: "You found WHAT down there?"

Diver: "I repeat, a huge bloated corpse with its face attached to an old 400 pound tractor tire and wheel"....

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 May 2019 at 3:28pm
If you want to look at what's going on on the molecular level check this out:


So, the permeability is proportional to the difference in the partial pressures of each gas between the inside and outside of the tire.  If the permeability of N2 through rubber is about 1/4 that of O2 and there is 4x as much N2 as O2 in the normal atmosphere, the two ratios roughly cancel, so the total amount of N2 and O2 lost are about the same to start with. 

So if you start with 80 psi of air (65 psi on your gauge because that is measuring delta pressure relative to an atmospheric pressure of 15 psi)  that will be 64 psi N2 and 16 psi O2. After some period of time you might have 59 psi N2 and 11 psi O2 for a 16% O2 mixture which would give you 70 psi  (55 on your gauge).  You'd never get to 0 percent O2 because the loss rate of O2 would get slower and slower relative to the N2 loss rate as time went on.  If you air your tires back up to 80 psi (65 gauge) then you can continue the process of slowly increasing the N2 content of your tires over time, but you'd still never get to 100% N2.

Still, if you were trapped underwater with another person you didn't know with no source of oxygen other than two tires, one old and one new, you should grab the newer tire. Unless of course it was nitrogen filled, in which case you'd be totally screwed). LOL

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 May 2019 at 2:49pm
Originally posted by EchoGale

The tires were replaces by the first owner in 2017.

Then it's unlikely they are nitrogen filled. 

SO...carry on with normal procedures.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 May 2019 at 2:44pm
Yep, again, all true... (discounting trace elements)... That's also why some old tires are still holding some air after ten years sitting in the junkyard or behind an old barn: The oxygen went on permanent vacation before the old rubber hardened with age or vulcanized in the UV...now all the residual air, mostly nitrogen, is stuck inside holding SOME air pressure in the tire. 

I don't go around testing old tires for nitrogen/oxygen ratio, but I would assume it's not 80:20 inside the tire after many years.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 May 2019 at 2:19pm
Originally posted by podwerkz

Yep...nitrogen molecules are bigger than oxygen molecules...so they permeate thru the rubber tire carcass at a much slower rate. 

Many long haul trucks use nitrogen inflated tires (at least on the steer tires) because of this property alone. The large fleet I drove for had very good success with nitrogen filled tires.
Since the ratio of nitrogen to oxygen is roughly 80:20, and oxygen permeates rubber faster than oxygen, then I would postulate that tires inflated with plain old atmosphere are slowly becoming nitrogen-filled naturally. Just wait long enough, and all those old, nasty oxygen molecules will just permeate to the outside. Then you will end up with (mostly) nitrogen-filled tires and you won't have to buy any of that expensive stuff. Then you buy new tires and start all over. Big smile
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