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    Posted: 25 Sep 2020 at 7:03pm
My girlfriend just bought a 2019 Subaru Ascent - 30K.  I was surprised
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The 5000 lb tow Highlanders have an oil cooler, upgraded rad and rad fans, tranny cooler, and a higher capacity alternator. I've never had the slightest hint of overheating in mine, and the alt runs the fridge on 12V plus its normal loads no problem. Of course, I'm in the East so I don't know how it would do say on a long grade in AZ in the summer. 

One other consideration in selecting a tow vehicle. No matter what you tow with you will get around 13-14 mpg because fuel consumption is dominated by trailer air drag. Less in the mountains going up and down grades. So, the small SUV's with 15-ish gallon fuel tanks don't really work well, you end up stopping for gas every 120 miles or so, and you better fill up before heading into a remote area or you might not get back. The Highlander tank is about 20 gal which gives you a practical range of about 200 miles. Big difference. I wouldn't want anything smaller than that. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Sep 2020 at 6:02am
Great advice on the VIN check.  I like having an upgraded oil cooler and radiator fan(s) and will research those as well.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Sep 2020 at 5:13am
Originally posted by jbar

Thanks again all.  We are now discussing a beefier vehicle.  Sounds like a 2010 (or newer) 3.5L Toyota Highlander would be the minimum to safely tow but I've got to research more.

That's what I tow with. It is fine for the 179 including boondocking loads, but I wouldn't go any smaller on the tow vehicle or any larger on the trailer. You will still want a weight distribution hitch and antisway system. A 5000 lb rated Honda Pilot or other comparable mid-size SUV would also work. 

If you go the Highlander route be sure to confirm with the VIN that you are really getting a Highlander with the 5000 lb tow rating. Any Toyota parts dept can do that for you.  Not all 3.5 V6 Highlanders are rated for that. There is an additional oil cooler for one thing that you effectively cannot add aftermarket. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Sep 2020 at 2:01pm
jbar, some very knowledgable folks have offered some very wise advice.  I can say +3 to mcarter, OG, and GlueGuy.  
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Thanks again all.  We are now discussing a beefier vehicle.  Sounds like a 2010 (or newer) 3.5L Toyota Highlander would be the minimum to safely tow but I've got to research more.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Sep 2020 at 12:16pm
If I recall the hitch on my 2010 Sante Fe was an add on, Class II I think. It was not sufficient to tow a Pod.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Sep 2020 at 9:47am
I will add to the chorus. The water tank(s) can add to the gross weight if you're boondocking, but there are other things like batteries, propane, and just "gear" that will also add to the gross weight, and perhaps more importantly, the tongue weight. I have yet to see any trailer, Rpod or not, come in with anything close to the dry weight. The dry weight is an advertising number, and not a lot more. I would be happy if makers were required to list dry, "typical", and gross weights.

So I think that vehicle is not quite up to the task.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Sep 2020 at 8:40am
Very helpful Offgrid!  Thank you
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Sep 2020 at 7:23am
My 179 is listed with an empty weight of 2630, hitch weight 285. The actual weights (measured at a public scale) when loaded for boondocking (dual batteries, full fresh water tank, other tanks empty, a week's supplies, a few tools, not much else) is 3700 lbs and 500 on the tongue. The max gross weight of the trailer is 3785 so I am within 85 lbs of that. 

So, my recommendation when looking at trailers and tow vehicles is to use the gross trailer weight (GTW), and forget the empty weight, particularly if you will be boondocking. The 178 has a gross trailer weight of 3795, essentially the same as mine and most of the mid sized rPods. 

In addition to staying within tow weight and tongue weight ratings, take a look at the max combined gross vehicle weight rating of the tow vehicle, should be on your driver door sticker. Then, take the GTW, add the curb weight of the TV, add 80 lbs for a weight distribution hitch (which you will want), add the weight of driver, passengers, and gear in the TV. Don't underestimate the gear, you will for sure want to bring some stuff you probably haven't thought of yet, tools, grill, pop up rain and bug shelter, a generator or solar module, etc etc.  It adds up quick. 

Compare those two numbers, consider where you will be travelling, and how close you really want to be the limits of the vehicle. I stay about 1000 lbs under my MCGVWR, more than that just starts to feel like a white knuckle experience, especially in the mountains, rainy weather, or on a busy freeway. 

BTW, you should never have both a full fresh and gray tank at the same time. If you're boondocking, empty the gray and black tanks before refilling the fwt. If you have hookups, then you don't need any water in your fwt anyway.

Re shifting weight aft to reduce tongue weight, that is generally not a good idea. You need the tongue weight to always be at least 10% of total trailer weight, more is better. The lower the tongue weight the more a trailer is prone to sway, and rPods do exhibit sway at about 10% tongue weight. I like my tongue weight at 12% or more. Check out this video:


Yes, there are folks towing the mid sized rPods with RAV 4's. There are folks that do or talk themselves into doing all kinds of things that you can read about on the internet. But I think that you will find the consensus opinion on this site is that that is not the way to go. If you do want to tow with the Santa Fe why not get a smaller trailer, like a TAB? 
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