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    Posted: 30 Mar 2021 at 12:10pm
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Accident in the sense that most of them are not intentional which is the opposite. The event can vary, but nobody intends to have one of them, thus accident is appropriate. It is also the common use.

Times they are a changin'...

How powerful is one word? Traffic safety activists are among those who believe words influence people in tremendous ways. Because of this belief, several advocacy groups are fighting to have the word "crash" replace "accident" when referring to automobile collisions.

Many people believe that saying "accident" makes it wrongly appear as though crashes are inevitable rather than preventable. In truth, the majority of auto fatalities and injuries could be prevented if it were not for drunk driving, distracted driving, poor road conditions, speeding or negligence by one of the drivers....

https://www.sidgilreath.com/learn/car-crash-replace-accident.html

Search "crash vs accident" and you'll find many hits just like this one.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Mar 2021 at 11:16am
Accident in the sense that most of them are not intentional which is the opposite. The event can vary, but nobody intends to have one of them, thus accident is appropriate. It is also the common use.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Mar 2021 at 10:37am
When I tell people I fly IFR, I mean I Follow Roads.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Mar 2021 at 8:16am
I have one of those gethomeitis and do what the FAA expects pilot stories. IFR from Cape Cod to Frederick MD in the days when low cost Nexrad was just becoming available in the cockpit. About a 3 hour flight. Filed and was cleared down over JFK, NJ and DE coast, then right turn and on over BWI west toward central md. As we passed into MD we went into solid IMC (instrument meteorological conditions). The area forecast had warned of embedded tstorms so I asked ATC if they were painting any weather. They said no, and no pireps (pilot reports). So on we went Got set up on the approach and ran straight into a level 3 cell. Lost radio contact and didn't want to screw up all the traffic in the busy airspace so I continued the approach, after tightening our seatbelts cause we were banging our heads against the ceiling. Had to hand fly the approach, autopilot wouldn't stay on.

Got on the ground in pouring rain but just rain, we'd passed through the cell. Just sat in the plane for a half hour. Wife said she'd never seen me hand fly an approach that well, indicator needles centered the whole time. When we finally got out the paint was gone off the leading edges of the wings and tail. No hail damage, just from the rain.

Turns out ATC's radars at that time were 20 plus years old and didn't show much weather detail. And ATC has no obligation to report weather anyhow, their responsibility is traffic separation. So I ordered Garmin's satellite Nexrad the next day and that was the last time I ever flew into clouds when embedded tstorms were forecast. The airplane needed new paint anyway...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Mar 2021 at 1:25pm
There are no 'accidents'....only crashes, wrecks, impacts, multi-vehicle crashes, jackknifes, spinouts, unscheduled get-offs, rollovers, highsides, lowsides, CFITs, de-railments, explosions, implosions, and lying upside down in a ditch. Plus many other occurrences that bend metal, break glass, cause damage, injuries, and fatalities.

But there are no such things as 'accidents'.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Mar 2021 at 12:13pm
I've heard that one. 

I had a motorcycle once. I got rid of it before I learned the statistic that there are only two kinds of motorcycle drivers--those who have had an accident and those who are going to have an accident.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Mar 2021 at 11:17am
Originally posted by podwerkz

I went to that thread and kinda scanned thru it......mainly reading your posts....seems like you should name your r-pod, 'Phoenix'...and that trip back home could be called the Flight of the Phoenix.

Pilots know all about 'getthereitis'...and as a truck driver for about 40 years....I'm familiar with it also. 

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One of the popular sayings is "There are old pilots, and there are bold pilots, but there aren't any old-bold pilots."
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Mar 2021 at 11:02am
We tow a 179 with a Lexus GX470 - as far as I know,  pretty much the same V8 and tranny as your rig. You're from the west so you know about mountain driving. We live in Colorado. I would say we average 60. On long, straight stretches (think utah and wyoming) closer to 65 cruising, but try not to go above that. Take our time on hills. If its windy, especially if a headwind,  we notch it down. With a good WDH and  sway control, its pretty darn stable. Really important to keep your speed under control going downhill - make  sure that your brake controller is properly adjusted so that your vehicle brakes arent doing all of the work.

Driving long stretches in the midwest and west is much easier than the east and southeast - less traffic except near cities, and fewer curves. I dont think that 450 is unreasonable under the  right conditions. If you start out early, thats 8 hours driving plus  stops, so maybe 10 hours or so. We  prefer to drive less  and there's always stuff to see. But we're retired and have no schedule - not everyone has that luxury.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Mar 2021 at 10:45am
Getthereitis is so common in the trucking industry that one time I got in trouble because I DIDN'T have a wreck...and the guy who was an hour behind me DID have a wreck on the same stretch of icy road in Ohio. 

The owner of the small fleet of trucks was pissed that his good friend and employee with a LOT more years of experience than I did at the time, jackknifed and put the truck in the ditch, an hour after I had gone thru the same conditions with no trouble at all. At the time it was my first winter season up north as a truck driver. 

My boss said I made his friend 'look bad'....

This same bias affects pilots..."hey that other plane landed OK on the ice with poor braking and a slight tailwind....how bout we try it also?"

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Mar 2021 at 10:34am
The official aviation term is "continuation bias", a form of cognitive bias to continue with the plan despite changing conditions. It is quite hard for type A personalities to overcome, they have learned to have life success by by being aggressive and willful. As most pilots are in this category (or they wouldn't be able to either afford an airplane or the training, often military) continuation bias is at least a partial cause of the majority of aviation accidents. In my personal flying experience I know its hard to overcome, especially flying IFR where air traffic control expects you to follow the clearance you've been given all the way to the destination and you have to request and be approved for any changes. Now you have both your own gethomeitis and the federal government's (FAA's) dowhatyou'resposedtodoitis to overcome. 

Since there is more awareness/training in this area in aviation than other occupations I'd expect that it is very common cause of over the road accidents and other fields as well. 

I'd hope my surgeon was trained in this area if I was on the table. Would that be called takeitoutnomatter whattitis? LOL
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